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    Quote Originally Posted by beastslayer1970 View Post
    What a lovely display of the fruit of the spirit you got going her, bro.

    While this would be a great time to defend and validate myself, it would just be me getting in my own way, God does not get glory from me validating the ministry he gave me.

    Now, you and Ole John 146 do me a favor.

    Both of you stop playing the hypocrite, while trying to one up me and stop stating the first idiotic thoughts you have about me, that comes to your mind and fingers.
    u start by making snide comments about fruits of the spirit then u switch the tune in ur last sentence.

    but in all honesty, u got smoked in this "debate" so just admit it. ur done boy. all u had was incoherent babble attacking preaching the gospel to EVERY creature. the great commission.
    u wont "defend or validate" urself cause u cant. ur wrong on this. and refuse to admit it.

    S-M-O-K-E-D.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John146 View Post
    I have found the biggest critics of preaching the gospel are other believers.
    I never stated I was critical of you preaching the gospel, I said that you had better be led by the Holy Spirit to preach the Gospel and if you are not being led, then Satan is pushing.

    That might be a good study for you. The Spirit Leads, Satan Pushes.

    You can find the study in Luke 4:1-20

    I have not said anything you guys are implying I said. I am just making the comments that if you preach the gospel under the power of you, you are not advancing the kingdom, you are advancing yourself.

    Somehow as it usually does on the internet and in the real church, you both took it personal and shot of your mouths before you thought about anything that was actually said.

    If you preach under the direction & leading of the Spirit, the anointing is released and when that happens it does not matter if you are in car, jar, afar, in a plane, on train, on street corner, church house, outhouse, or mouse house, the yoke destroying, burden removing, life changing power of God is manifested and that is when lives are changed, people are delivered and God gets the increase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoozy View Post
    u start by making snide comments about fruits of the spirit then u switch the tune in ur last sentence.

    but in all honesty, u got smoked in this "debate" so just admit it. ur done boy. all u had was incoherent babble attacking preaching the gospel to EVERY creature. the great commission.
    u wont "defend or validate" urself cause u cant. ur wrong on this. and refuse to admit it.

    S-M-O-K-E-D.
    I bet you do a rendition of the good ship lollipop really well.

    Now I will show you again:

    Jesus never witnessed or shared the Gospel to anyone until he was in the power of the Spirit, and that never happened until his trial in the wilderness was over.

    Luke 4:14-16

    14
    And Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about Him spread through all the surrounding district. 15 And He began teaching in their synagogues and was praised by all.

    16 And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read. 17 And the book of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. And He opened the book and found the place where it was written,
    18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
    Because He anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor.
    He has sent Me to proclaim release to the captives,
    And recovery of sight to the blind,
    To set free those who are oppressed,
    19 To proclaim the favorable year of the Lord.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoozy View Post
    u start by making snide comments about fruits of the spirit then u switch the tune in ur last sentence.

    but in all honesty, u got smoked in this "debate" so just admit it. ur done boy. all u had was incoherent babble attacking preaching the gospel to EVERY creature. the great commission.
    u wont "defend or validate" urself cause u cant. ur wrong on this. and refuse to admit it.

    S-M-O-K-E-D.
    This is kind of pitiful. The Bible clearly tells us that we are to speak sometimes, and not at others... And it also tells us to capture people's hearts for God by a variety of means.

    It never said to memorize some hellfire & brimstone verses to stand and pound people with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie-T View Post
    This is kind of pitiful. The Bible clearly tells us that we are to speak sometimes, and not at others... And it also tells us to capture people's hearts for God by a variety of means.

    It never said to memorize some hellfire & brimstone verses to stand and pound people with.
    First of all our actions are not as important as Gods word. Only Gods word has the authority to convert the soul. You cannot capture the hearts except by carnal means. The gospel is the power of God.

    Secondly there is nothing wrong with "hellfire and brimstone" verses. Jesus warned more of hell that He spoke of heaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie-T View Post
    This is kind of pitiful. The Bible clearly tells us that we are to speak sometimes, and not at others... And it also tells us to capture people's hearts for God by a variety of means.

    It never said to memorize some hellfire & brimstone verses to stand and pound people with.
    We have gladly received a few of those "converted" by street preaching evangelism other non Spirit led "witnessing"methods. We also usually have to start at sub-level 1 to erase all the stinking thinking they were given.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notuptome View Post
    First of all our actions are not as important as Gods word. Only Gods word has the authority to convert the soul. You cannot capture the hearts except by carnal means. The gospel is the power of God.

    Secondly there is nothing wrong with "hellfire and brimstone" verses. Jesus warned more of hell that He spoke of heaven.

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    by: Dan Wilkinson (Pathos) Did Jesus speak more about Hell than about Heaven?

    According to some well-known pastors, Jesus’ teachings are primarily about fire and brimstone. For example:

    “… he [Jesus] himself speaks twice as often of hell as of heaven.”
    — D.A. Carson, Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount and His Confrontation with the World

    “He [Jesus] spoke more often about hell than he did about heaven. We cannot get around this fact.”
    — Leon Morris, “The Dreadful Harvest,” Christianity Today, May 27, 1991

    “Jesus talked more about hell than He did about heaven in order to warn men of its reality.”
    — John MacArthur, “The Ultimate Religious Decision”

    “Jesus said more about Hell than Heaven.”
    — Jerry Falwell, “Heaven and Hell”

    “Obviously I do believe in hell. Jesus spoke more about hell than heaven.”
    — Rick Warren, interview with John Piper

    “Jesus said more about hell than about any other topic. Amazingly, 13 percent of his sayings are about hell and judgment …”
    — Mark Driscoll, “6 Questions on Hell”

    “Of the 1,850 verses in the New Testament that record Jesus’ words, 13 percent of them deal with the subject of eternal judgment and hell. In fact, Jesus spoke more frequently about hell than He did about heaven.”
    — Robert Jeffress, How Can I Know?

    Those are some very bold and very specific quantitative assessments of Jesus’ message. But are they true?

    By my count[1] (with the help of some BibleWorks magic), there are 1,944 verses in the four gospels that contain Jesus’ words.

    Surprisingly, only about 60 of those verses–or an unwhopping three percent of them—might be construed as either directly or indirectly referring to hell.

    On the other hand, there are more than three times as many verses in the gospels in which Jesus references heaven, eternal life, or his coming kingdom: 192 verses in all, or almost 10%.

    So Jesus did not, in fact, speak more about hell than heaven. But many people who should know better still seem hell-bent on insisting that He did.

    How do they arrive at a conclusion so contrary to the facts? By reading hell into any and every possible passage in the Bible.

    D.A. Carson, for example, who is one of the first purveyors of the “Jesus talked more about hell than heaven” myth, finds hell in the story of the wise and foolish builders (Matthew 7:24-27). In the words “The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell — and great was its fall!” Carson somehow construes a clear depiction of eternal damnation.

    The sermon ends with what has been implicit throughout it—the demand for radical submission to the exclusive lordship of Jesus, who fulfills the Law and the Prophets and warns the disobedient that the alternative to total obedience, true righteousness, and life in the kingdom is rebellion, self-centeredness, and eternal damnation.
    — D.A. Carson, Matthew, The Expositor’s Bible Commentary

    Given that interpretation, it’s no wonder that Carson thinks Jesus spoke of hell twice as much as heaven!

    Yes, throughout the gospels Jesus did speak about judgement, and yes, he also spoke a handful of times about places such as Gehenna and Hades, words often translated as “hell.” But those instances do not stand as justification for the promulgation of the myth that Jesus spoke more about hell than he did about heaven. Continuing the promote that falsehood severely undermines Christ’s true message—which is the love of God and neighbor that Jesus himself called The Greatest Commandment.

    Turning Jesus’ gospel of love into a “gospel” of fear, damnation and punishment is either alarmingly ignorant or intentionally manipulative. Either way, it’s very bad news indeed, and needs to stop.

    Read more at Did Jesus speak more about Hell than about Heaven?
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    Quote Originally Posted by beastslayer1970 View Post
    I never stated I was critical of you preaching the gospel, I said that you had better be led by the Holy Spirit to preach the Gospel and if you are not being led, then Satan is pushing.

    That might be a good study for you. The Spirit Leads, Satan Pushes.

    You can find the study in Luke 4:1-20

    I have not said anything you guys are implying I said. I am just making the comments that if you preach the gospel under the power of you, you are not advancing the kingdom, you are advancing yourself.

    Somehow as it usually does on the internet and in the real church, you both took it personal and shot of your mouths before you thought about anything that was actually said.

    If you preach under the direction & leading of the Spirit, the anointing is released and when that happens it does not matter if you are in car, jar, afar, in a plane, on train, on street corner, church house, outhouse, or mouse house, the yoke destroying, burden removing, life changing power of God is manifested and that is when lives are changed, people are delivered and God gets the increase.
    12 But I would ye should understand, brethren, that the things which happened unto me have fallen out rather unto the furtherance of the gospel;
    13 So that my bonds in Christ are manifest in all the palace, and in all other places;
    14 And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.
    15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
    16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
    17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
    18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie-T View Post

    It never said to memorize some hellfire & brimstone verses to stand and pound people with.
    Why do you keep bringing this up? This is not part of the thread. It's about preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John146 View Post
    Why do you keep bringing this up? This is not part of the thread. It's about preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ.
    Read the title of the thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie-T View Post
    Read the title of the thread.
    Benefits and consequences of preaching the GOSPEL! The Gospel, you know, the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. We're not talking about yelling at people about hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John146 View Post
    Maybe the disconnect with you is your thinking that preaching the gospel on the street pertains to yelling at and condemning people as they walk by. That's not what this thread is about. Do some do that? Probably. But there are other methods that work.

    One way that I have found to be effective is while on the streets, I approach individuals, couples, or even families and ask for a moment of their time. I use Hebrews 9:27 as an opener. "For it is appointed unto man once to die, and after that the judgment." I proceed to lead them through "Romans Road". Mind you, I stay respectful and considerate throughout the conversations. If they want to leave, then let them leave and move on.
    Yeah always good to "request someone to listen to a biblical message" instead of "forcefeeding people".
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    Quote Originally Posted by John146 View Post
    Benefits and consequences of preaching the GOSPEL! The Gospel, you know, the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. We're not talking about yelling at people about hell.
    That's ALL many here are talking about doing. Those guys seem to relish the chance to tell people they disapprove of that they are devils and they are going to burn.

    I imagine that video I posted could very well have been one of them standing there yelling at those people. Like them, I am sure he probably reached no one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoozy View Post
    yes the Holy Spirit does the work. and we are commanded to spread the gospel to every creature.

    we preach it, God works in man the faith. u cant save urself.

    I need to jump into this thread like I need to loose another tooth (bad hard candy!)

    but take a look at Paul

    he was determined to go one way and he was sent another way by the spirit of God

    we are supposed to be led by the Holy Spirit

    that means we do not steam roll over other people and disregard things we don't know about but the Holy Spirit does

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    Quote Originally Posted by notuptome View Post
    First of all our actions are not as important as Gods word. Only Gods word has the authority to convert the soul. You cannot capture the hearts except by carnal means. The gospel is the power of God.

    Secondly there is nothing wrong with "hellfire and brimstone" verses. Jesus warned more of hell that He spoke of heaven.

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    obviously you have never been cornered by a Bible thumping individual who had no sensitivity and decided that 'come back to Jesus' or 'God told me to tell you' was the best way to cure your aching heart

    either that, or you like to be whopped with the letter and never mind the Spirit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie-T View Post
    This is kind of pitiful. The Bible clearly tells us that we are to speak sometimes, and not at others... And it also tells us to capture people's hearts for God by a variety of means.

    It never said to memorize some hellfire & brimstone verses to stand and pound people with.
    unbelievable.

    im not even surprised. u got nothing to say to me. ive already gotten an infraction on this webpage when i made a joke of your ridicilous posts. and i apologized later. seems like a waste of time since u continue taking shots at every turn so this will probably be another one.

    this is on the same level of absurdity when u said God's punishment is corrective. just like when david numbered the people of israel right? yeah read that story. very corrective.

    u dont know anything about the bible. then again no wonder when u go to "vineyard church" that place is some contemporary circus. i checked it out on youtube and the "worship" looked like some effeminate men on stage moaning to rock music. no wonder ur mixed up in ALL KINDS of false doctrines going to that church.
    u read thru 1 tim 2:12 and mock the people who still wanna obey it, and side with the folks who dont care what it says. and here u are saying something is pitiful? sit down boy. come tell me whats pitiful when uve stopped with the watered down conformed to the world garbage doctrines.

    leave me alone. u are the last person on this forum i would take advice from. id rather ask the sabbatarians here whats what than listen to ur nonsense.

    i already apologized and u cant let it be. bring on the other infraction or remove me permanently i dont care. so sorry for this one too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by notuptome View Post
    First of all our actions are not as important as Gods word. Only Gods word has the authority to convert the soul. You cannot capture the hearts except by carnal means. The gospel is the power of God.

    Secondly there is nothing wrong with "hellfire and brimstone" verses. Jesus warned more of hell that He spoke of heaven.

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    Hell used 15 times in the gospels:




    Heaven used 143 times in the gospels:




    So much for that theory...

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    Did Paul search out a synagogue in every city he went? Some of them didn't have one. Most all of them didn't have a church till he started one.

    BTW, whatever happened to "go to the highways & hedges & compel them to come in?

    In Acts when the church was scattered, the christians went everywhere carrying the Gospel.

    So, yeah, it's normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoozy View Post
    unbelievable.

    im not even surprised. u got nothing to say to me. ive already gotten an infraction on this webpage when i made a joke of your ridicilous posts. and i apologized later. seems like a waste of time since u continue taking shots at every turn so this will probably be another one.

    this is on the same level of absurdity when u said God's punishment is corrective. just like when david numbered the people of israel right? yeah read that story. very corrective.

    u dont know anything about the bible. then again no wonder when u go to "vineyard church" that place is some contemporary circus. i checked it out on youtube and the "worship" looked like some effeminate men on stage moaning to rock music. no wonder ur mixed up in ALL KINDS of false doctrines going to that church.
    u read thru 1 tim 2:12 and mock the people who still wanna obey it, and side with the folks who dont care what it says. and here u are saying something is pitiful? sit down boy. come tell me whats pitiful when uve stopped with the watered down conformed to the world garbage doctrines.

    leave me alone. u are the last person on this forum i would take advice from. id rather ask the sabbatarians here whats what than listen to ur nonsense.

    i already apologized and u cant let it be. bring on the other infraction or remove me permanently i dont care. so sorry for this one too!

    I would really like to be debating Willie right now, arguing about some points where we disagree.

    But I can't do that.

    Do you know why I can't?

    I can't debate Willie over doctrinal issues right now because I have to spend my time defending him from people who actually find it reasonable to refer to a 72 yr old man as "boy".

    I can't even believe I heard that.

    I'm personally offended in just about every possible way.

    I disagree with Willie CONSTANTLY... but there just isn't ANY reason to talk to ANYONE that way.

    I'll also add that although I disagree with Willie on almost everything doctrinal, if I was in some kind of trouble, he'd probably help me out.
    And if Willie was in some kind of trouble, I'd help him too.


    As soon as people can knock off the personal insults, I can get back to arguing with him...
    as the good Lord intended.

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