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your welcome. anytime.
 

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Do you mean am I sure God gave His creation instructions? Yes, I am sure. Do you mean am I sure God didn't punish Adam for disobeying Laws you preach God didn't give him.
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I might humbly add that God/Jesus created man before He created His Holy Sanctified and set apart Sabbath for man.
when was the observance of sabbaths commanded, and to whom was it commanded?
what does scripture say the purpose of the sabbaths are?

when was the observance of dietary laws commanded, and to whom was it commanded?
what does scripture say the purpose of dietary laws are?

when was the observance of feast days and new moon festivals commanded, and to whom was it commanded?
what does scripture say the purpose of the festivals and feast day observance are?


 

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when was the observance of sabbaths commanded, and to whom was it commanded?
what does scripture say the purpose of the sabbaths are?


Gen. 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The preaching that Adam didn't know God sanctified His 7th day is a big stretch. The preaching that God created man then hid His instructions from them, then punished and killed tens of thousands of people for transgressing them is a doctrine I do not subscribe to. I believe Abraham walked in all the Commandments of God as it is written. And when His children cried out by reason of affliction, God remembered His Promise To Abraham.

Ex. 2:23 And it came to pass in process of time, that the king of Egypt died: and the children of Israel sighed by reason of the bondage, and they cried, and their cry came up unto God by reason of the bondage.
24 And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.
25 And God looked upon the children of Israel, and God had respect unto them.

God renewed His Covenant with Abraham.

Gen. 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Paul says there was a law added to this "until the Seed should come". That would be the Levitical Priesthood. Abraham didn't have that Law as Levi wasn't even born yet.

when was the observance of dietary laws commanded, and to whom was it commanded?
what does scripture say the purpose of dietary laws are?
Gen. 7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

5 And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.

Again, clean animals and unclean animals are from creation. God created some beasts for food, and others for something else. Noah knew what these were and of course he would. God is a just God and would let His people know what His instructions are. This also, was part of the covenant God made with Abraham.

There is no way you will convince me that Noah didn't teach his sons about the Ark anymore than God would hide His Sanctified Sabbath from Adam that He created for man. Abraham would have known the difference between what was clean and what was unclean as well. And as it is written, Abraham obeyed God.


when was the observance of feast days and new moon festivals commanded, and to whom was it commanded?
what does scripture say the purpose of the festivals and feast day observance are?
Gen. 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

Again, Jesus was slain from the foundation of the world. Abraham knew of the "Lamb" well before Moses. And after Passover comes "Feast of Unleavened bread" which symbolically means to remove sin. (Transgression of God's Laws)


" 5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."

Sounds pretty "unleavened to me".

God gave His Children, who had lost their way, His Universal Laws through Moses. I don't prescribe to the Doctrine of mainstream preachers today that preach God didn't give His people His instruction until after He had killed and punished "many".

I think scriptures show His Commandments were known by a lot of people before Moses, a few obeyed Him, but most did not. Same theme today, just different century.



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Exodus 16.

This is the first command to observe a Sabbath.

It is in relation to manna.

Who is the bread of heaven?

What does scripture say is the purpose of the giving of the command to observe sabbaths? God says it explicitly, at least twice. Don't assume you know, find it.
 

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I totally disagree. There is only one law!! That law is currently in place.
When we break that law we sin.
If we have Christ in our life the penalty is removed from us by his blood shed for us.
In all of these quotes it is speaking about the one and only law as written in the Torah. All 613 of them.

Matthew 5:17 to 20 NIV

The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.


Romans 7

The Law and Sin
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.


13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.


Romans 3:19 to 31

19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

Righteousness Through Faith
21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
 
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I totally disagree. There is only one law!! That law is currently in place.
When we break that law we sin.
Your belief is you have to fulfill the law just as Christ did in order to be saved. You believe the law is what saves, therefore believing the law saved OT saints, and that the "good news" today is to keep the law for salvation.
 
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I totally disagree. There is only one law!! That law is currently in place.
When we break that law we sin.
If we have Christ in our life the penalty is removed from us by his blood shed for us.
In all of these quotes it is speaking about the one and only law as written in the Torah. All 613 of them.

Matthew 5:17 to 20 NIV

The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.


Romans 7

The Law and Sin
7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.


13 Did that which is good, then, become death to me? By no means! Nevertheless, in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it used what is good to bring about my death, so that through the commandment sin might become utterly sinful.


Romans 3:19 to 31

19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

Righteousness Through Faith
21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished— 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.
Hmm all 613 of them, well then so much for the lame, the blind, the defected person a hunchback or dwarf, person with a broken hand or foot, they are all cannot aproached the offering in the synagogue/temple. a person who is born deformed is excluded yea ok...

Leviticus 21

16Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 17“Speak to Aaron, saying, ‘No man of your offspring throughout their generations who has a defect shall approach to offer the food of his God. 18‘For no one who has a defect shall approach: a blind man, or a lame man, or he who has a disfigured face, or any deformed limb, 19or a man who has a broken foot or broken hand, 20or a hunchback or a dwarf, or one who has a defect in his eye or eczema or scabs or crushed testicles. 21‘No man among the descendants of Aaron the priest who has a defect is to come near to offer the LORD’S offerings by fire; since he has a defect, he shall not come near to offer the food of his God. 22‘He may eat the food of his God, both of the most holy and of the holy, 23only he shall not go in to the veil or come near the altar because he has a defect, so that he will not profane My sanctuaries. For I am the LORD who sanctifies them.’” 24So Moses spoke to Aaron and to his sons and to all the sons of Israel.
 

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I totally disagree. There is only one law!! That law is currently in place.
When we break that law we sin.
In the words of an old supervisor of mine,

'it doesn't matter what you think'

Please look back at 1 Corinthians 9:20-21

How can Paul say he is not under the Law of the Covenant and also say that he is indeed under the law of God, being under the law of Christ, if these are all exactly equivalent and interchangeable terms?

You - who place yourself under the Law ((?)) - do you make the blood sacrifices that Law requires?
No?
So do you call yourself lawless? Or do you reject the very Law you say is one Law? Do you divide it in order to pretend you're justified by it?

Y'all in a ditch.
 

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Hmm all 613 of them, well then so much for the lame, the blind, the defected person a hunchback or dwarf, person with a broken hand or foot, they are all cannot aproached the offering in the synagogue/temple. a person who is born deformed is excluded yea ok...

And yet Christ said it is better to enter the Kingdom maimed than not at all.

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Endoscopy, yes, in the NT 'the Law' is all one Law - all of it, the whole pentateuch, including Genesis, is called 'the Law' - in fact even the Psalms are called 'the Law'
It is not divisible. That's part of what I've been contending here, because people try to say oh, 'THE SACRED TEN' are a different law, or that oh, nor the sacrifices, or oh, nor the punishment, or oh, not the curse, or oh, nor the food, or oh, not the rules about slaves or marriage or jubilee - bur that is completely unjustifiable. I totally agree with you, it is the truth, when Paul writes the Spirit breathed words in Romans 7, he is talking about the whole Law of Moses, of the Covenant. 10 commandments, feast days, new moon festivals and sabbaths included!! And it in exactly the same way that he says we, in Christ, are not under this Law having died to it!

Yet we uphold the law. We are not lawless, because we are under Christ, whose law is 'love one another' - which is greater than all the Torah; Torah is subsumed by it. Christ is become the mediator of a better covenant!

This is how Paul can say in truth in 1 Cor 9 that he is not under 'the Law' bur he is not lawless, he is under God's law - that is the picture I drew that you tell me you reject.
 

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Studyman I think does not comprehend this, and that's why he has badly misinterpreted Colossians 2, and badly misinterpreted me and flatly misrepresented what i believe. If we get this wrong, and suppose that Christ came to put all the world under the Covenant Law given through Moses, then Studyman has gotten one thing correct for sure - that is 'another gospel' though in truth it is no gospel at all.
 

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Exodus 16.

This is the first command to observe a Sabbath.

It is in relation to manna.

Who is the bread of heaven?

What does scripture say is the purpose of the giving of the command to observe sabbaths? God says it explicitly, at least twice. Don't assume you know, find it.
Col. 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

I don't believe your preaching that Jesus nailed God's Commandments to His Cross. I don't believe God's Commandments are "Vain deceit" "rudiments of the world" or a "tradition of men". Nor do I believe God's Commandments are against us, especially given that Jesus Said God's Sabbath was made for man.

I don't believe Jesus "Spoiled" God, which if it was His Laws that were against us, this would mean. I don't believe Jesus made a show of God openly, nor do I believe Jesus triumphed over God, which is what you are saying if it was God's Commandments nailed to the cross.

I have asked about this repeatedly and you ignore these very relevant questions. I would love to discuss God's Sabbaths and their purpose with you, maybe on another thread.

But I must insist you follow up on your opinion that I am wrong about Col. 2, and explain just how Jesus showed God up by nailing His Commandments to the cross.
 

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Hmm all 613 of them, well then so much for the lame, the blind, the defected person a hunchback or dwarf, person with a broken hand or foot, they are all cannot aproached the offering in the synagogue/temple. a person who is born deformed is excluded yea ok...

Leviticus 21

16Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 17“Speak to Aaron, saying, ‘No man of your offspring throughout their generations who has a defect shall approach to offer the food of his God. 18‘For no one who has a defect shall approach: a blind man, or a lame man, or he who has a disfigured face, or any deformed limb, 19or a man who has a broken foot or broken hand, 20or a hunchback or a dwarf, or one who has a defect in his eye or eczema or scabs or crushed testicles. 21‘No man among the descendants of Aaron the priest who has a defect is to come near to offer the LORD’S offerings by fire; since he has a defect, he shall not come near to offer the food of his God. 22‘He may eat the food of his God, both of the most holy and of the holy, 23only he shall not go in to the veil or come near the altar because he has a defect, so that he will not profane My sanctuaries. For I am the LORD who sanctifies them.’” 24So Moses spoke to Aaron and to his sons and to all the sons of Israel.
You don't understand these scriptures.

No man among the descendants of Aaron the priest who has a defect is to come near to offer the LORD’S offerings by fire; since he has a defect, he shall not come near to offer the food of his God. 22He may eat the food of his God, both of the most holy and of the holy, 23only he shall not go in to the veil or come near the altar because he has a defect, so that he will not profane My sanctuaries. For I am the LORD who sanctifies them.

first, this was a commandment given for the Levites, not for the children of Israel.

This is for the Priesthood. This symbolically refers to a "Perfect" Priest. This is why not everyone could qualify to offer their selves for the sin's of the World. It had to be a perfect human with no blemish (Represents sin).

Jesus was that perfect human with no Blemish Spiritual or otherwise.

John 19:
31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.32 Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.
33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:
34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.

"19or a man who has a broken foot or broken hand,"

So this was commanded by God and it was followed perfectly by Jesus as the Spirit clearly shows.

This does not mean a cripple can't come to Jesus to get healed as "MANY" try and preach. As you can see, it was a "Levitical Priesthood" Law, and was given specifically for the High Priest, not given to the people.

"Speak to Aaron, saying, ‘No man of your offspring throughout their generations who has a defect shall approach to offer the food of his God.

"Many", who come in Christ's name, preach that these are part of the Commandments of God given to the Children of Israel. That is how they further the lie that there are 613 laws for men to keep, (you break one, you break them all)

This teaching is a great deceit and has tricked "MANY" people into dishonoring God with disrespect and disobedience.

The same thing happened to Eve.
 

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Studyman I think does not comprehend this, and that's why he has badly misinterpreted Colossians 2, and badly misinterpreted me and flatly misrepresented what i believe. If we get this wrong, and suppose that Christ came to put all the world under the Covenant Law given through Moses, then Studyman has gotten one thing correct for sure - that is 'another gospel' though in truth it is no gospel at all.
Jer. 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

there are 2 things that changed between the Old Covenant and the New according to God's Word.

#1. How God's Law are administered

#2. How sins are forgiven.

Todays mainstream preaching that in the New Covenant God changed the definition of sin, or that God somehow relegated the OT as irrelevant, or that God wrote New Laws on our hearts different than the ones we broke, is just another perfect example of the rudiments of the world, the tradition of men, the vain deceits that were preached by the mainstream preachers of Christ's time, that He triumphed over, that He made a show of openly having "spoiled" their power when He nailed their handwritten ordinances that were against Paul and the Gentiles to the cross.

Ex. 34:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.

He who has an ear to hear, let him hear.
 

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Romans 8:2 [FONT=&quot]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

2 Corinthians 3:5-9
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[FONT=&quot]5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus = Righteousness

10 commandments written on stone = death and condemnation


You can't simultaneously be righteous in Christ Jesus and place yourself under death and condemnation. If you've been made free of the law of sin and death how could you ever entangle yourself in that yoke of bondage again?

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Romans 9:31-32
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[FONT=&quot]31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;[/FONT]
 
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You don't understand these scriptures.

No man among the descendants of Aaron the priest who has a defect is to come near to offer the LORD’S offerings by fire; since he has a defect, he shall not come near to offer the food of his God. 22He may eat the food of his God, both of the most holy and of the holy, 23only he shall not go in to the veil or come near the altar because he has a defect, so that he will not profane My sanctuaries. For I am the LORD who sanctifies them.

first, this was a commandment given for the Levites, not for the children of Israel.

This is for the Priesthood. This symbolically refers to a "Perfect" Priest. This is why not everyone could qualify to offer their selves for the sin's of the World. It had to be a perfect human with no blemish (Represents sin).

Jesus was that perfect human with no Blemish Spiritual or otherwise.

John 19:
31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.32 Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.
33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:
34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.

"19or a man who has a broken foot or broken hand,"

So this was commanded by God and it was followed perfectly by Jesus as the Spirit clearly shows.

This does not mean a cripple can't come to Jesus to get healed as "MANY" try and preach. As you can see, it was a "Levitical Priesthood" Law, and was given specifically for the High Priest, not given to the people.

"Speak to Aaron, saying, ‘No man of your offspring throughout their generations who has a defect shall approach to offer the food of his God.

"Many", who come in Christ's name, preach that these are part of the Commandments of God given to the Children of Israel. That is how they further the lie that there are 613 laws for men to keep, (you break one, you break them all)

This teaching is a great deceit and has tricked "MANY" people into dishonoring God with disrespect and disobedience.

The same thing happened to Eve.
I understand the scripture, maybe you didn't understand my intention of posting those, I'm not one who thinks there are 613 laws for man to keep.
 

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Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

2 Corinthians 3:5-9
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus = Righteousness

10 commandments written on stone = death and condemnation


You can't simultaneously be righteous in Christ Jesus and place yourself under death and condemnation. If you've been made free of the law of sin and death how could you ever entangle yourself in that yoke of bondage again?

Galatians 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Romans 9:31-32

31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Disobeying God is sin, not obeying God. Bringing myself under death is not, as you preach, humbling my self to God and His Instructions, rather, refusing the humble myself to God and His instructions.

The "Law of sin" is death, not the "Good" "Just" Righteous" Holy" and Spiritual Laws of God.

Paul teaches there are two Laws.

Rom. 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Law of Works = Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "Works of the Law" for remission of sins.

Law of Faith = The Commandments Jesus said to follow in order to inherit life.

Matt. 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, etc.

He left off the First and Greatest commandment but we all know what He is referring to. Did He quote any of the Levitical Priesthood duties or sacrifices, given by God to Moses "Till the Seed should come", that the Jews were still performing?

No. He didn't tell the guy He needed to "Keep the "Law of Works", rather, He told Him to keep the Law of Faith. It is a Law of Faith to Love God, it is a Law of Faith to love your neighbor, to Keep His Sabbath. It is against the Law of Faith to create images of God in the likeness of man. It is against the Law of Faith to create your own Holy Days and "Feasts unto the Lord".



28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by(the Law of) faith without the deeds of the law.(of Works)

But of the Law of faith which we are going to be judged by, Paul said this.

Rom. 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

And he explained why the mainstream preachers of His time and before were rejected.Rom. 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness,(Law of Faith) hath not attained to the law of righteousness. (Law of faith)
32 Wherefore? (WHY?) Because they sought it not by(the Law of) faith, but as it were by the works of the law.(Law of Works) For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; (The Word made Flesh)

I know you can't accept this, but I'm hoping others might see.