the disciples and the word

maverich · Dec 9, 2017

They continued daily, in Prayer and the Word
They had no Bible, in fact it isn't till Acts 15, that they wrote the first letter,
Maybe the word is alive and well, maybe the gifts of the spirit aren't manifested today, because we spend so much time in the Bible, and very little in the Word.
The disciples, Word the rema word Spend time with Jesus, without the bible and see what you may learn

Hizikyah · Dec 9, 2017

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 John/Yahanan 1:9, "Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of the Messiah, does not have Yah. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son."

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 14:23-24, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”[/FONT]

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Ellsworth1943 · Dec 9, 2017

maverich said:

They had the OT, which is the Word, and they also had the personal teaching of the Son of God.
Do not be so foolish as to tell people to spend less time in the Bible, which is the Word.

Marcelo · Dec 9, 2017

maverich said:

Bible study does not guarantee salvation and the greater our knowledge, the more severely we will be judged. It's nice to know the Scriptures, but we need a balance between knowledge and practice.

trofimus · Dec 9, 2017

Marcelo said:

This sounds like a real demotivation. I think it is not so.

Teachers will be judged more severely. Thats something different.

7seasrekeyed · Dec 9, 2017

maverich said:

excuse me, but there is this vast collection of books called the Old Testament

they had that

Acts 2:42 does not say what you are trying to make it say

they continued in the TEACHING of the Apostles is what all translations actually say. in fact the KJ says DOCTRINE

gasp

teaching

doctrine

why is that so hard to grasp? maybe because of the discipline that goes with it?

Marcelo · Dec 9, 2017

trofimus said:

It's not my intention to demotivate anyone - what I mean is this: Bible knowledge by itself puffs up. I know many Christians who know the Bible from cover to cover, forwards and backwards, and are very carnal. On the other hand I know many who know only the rudiments and you can see God in their lives.

Bible study is important, but we must be aware that the enemy will always be around trying to make us focus too much on knowledge.

Hizikyah · Dec 9, 2017

7seasrekeyed said:

there areI beleive 15 quotes per page of the OT in the NT.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:9, “How would a young man cleanse his path? To guard it according to Your word.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 119:11, “I have stored up your word in my heart, that I might not sin against you.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 30:11-13, “For this Law which I command you this day is not hidden from you, nor is it beyond your reach. It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask; Who will ascend up into heaven for us, and bring it to us, so that we may hear it and then do it? Nor is it beyond thesea, so that you have to ask; Who will cross the sea, and bring it to us, so that we may hear it and then do it?”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Timothy 2:15, “Do your utmost to present yourself approved to Yah, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly handling the Word of Truth.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Timothy 3:16-1716, “All Scripture is breathed out by Yah and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for setting straight, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of Yah might be fitted, equipped for every righteous work.”[/FONT]

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maverich · Dec 9, 2017

hey there little Hebrew schooling is in order, all Hebrews new the 5 books of the OT by the age of 12. they were well versed in the bible. I kinda feel bad, that you believe, the bible us is the final word, and for them, the OT was the final word
The bible is a 3 phase, book. It is literal, all should be read, it is figurative, it should be studied.
Finally its spiritual. The part that most theologians, stay away from. I believe in the book of Hebrews it is said that no man need teach his neighbor, the Holy Spirit would bring, everyone into the knowledge of God. Unfortunately, there are many, as you appear to have, they discount the Holy Spirit, and his teachings.
studying the word is great, meditating on the word is the best, chew on it, ponder it (Mary did)

Ellsworth1943 · Dec 9, 2017

maverich said:

hey there little Hebrew schooling is in order, all Hebrews new the 5 books of the OT by the age of 12. they were well versed in the bible. I kinda feel bad, that you believe, the bible us is the final word, and for them, the OT was the final word
The bible is a 3 phase, book. It is literal, all should be read, it is figurative, it should be studied.
Finally its spiritual. The part that most theologians, stay away from. I believe in the book of Hebrews it is said that no man need teach his neighbor, the Holy Spirit would bring, everyone into the knowledge of God. Unfortunately, there are many, as you appear to have, they discount the Holy Spirit, and his teachings.
studying the word is great, meditating on the word is the best, chew on it, ponder it (Mary did)

The Spirit reveals/teaches the truth through the Word and will never contradict the Word.

MarcR · Dec 9, 2017

maverich said:

It was common practice in the first century for young men (both Jewish or Christian or both) to make personal copies of entire books of the OT and commit them to memory. People then had fewer distractions and more mental discipline than is encouraged in our time.

Yonah · Dec 9, 2017

Seems to me the point isn't so much whether the had the bible or not, (which they did have the Torah scrolls as well as the writings of the prophets), Phillip showed the Ethiopian the entire plan of redemption and salvation starting in the scroll of Isa.
seems the main point is this: what we do read and study, first do we pray for understanding or lean on our own? (prov. 3:5-6)
the second and most important point is this: do we put into practice in our daily lives what we do read?

dcontroversal · Dec 10, 2017

maverich said:

They had to OT which all New Testament books quote and Jesus said search the scriptures BEFORE the N.T. was written.....yeah.......I am gonna go with the fact that they had scripture and inspired insight............

Zmouth · Dec 10, 2017

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. Heb 8:7

So what was the fault of the first covenant? [See Hebrews 8:8]

There was nothing wrong with the OT principles, it was with the sons of men. [See Genesis 6:1]

[31] Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
[32] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jeremiah 31

lastofall · Dec 10, 2017

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." (John 14:26)

7seasrekeyed · Dec 10, 2017

maverich said:

well you sure do take liberties with things you know nothing about

by that, I am referring to what other people think about the Bible

your op was very specific and you introduced a WOF concept regarding 'rhema'

you have no indication whether or not anyone who responded to your personal interpretation of the Bible spends time with Jesus or not..I would suggest that anyone who reads the words of Christ does, but even more, in prayer (communication) and study...as the Holy Spirit will always reveal more of Christ to those who seek Him

however, you have made the illogical leap to 'no one but you understands the deep deep knowledge' you are sharing here

your approach is truly a turn off and begs for negative responses...but then you probably knew that would happen with all this special knowledge thing you have going on

7seasrekeyed · Dec 10, 2017

for the uninitiated regarding the use of 'rhema' to differentiate between written and spoken word and the influence of WOF:

(I will add that I disagree with the conclusion that 'charismatics' all believe as per the description. I think it is far more accurate to say that the Word of Faith movement is basically responsible for this misinterpretation. I will go farther and state that it is not that words have no consequences; rather, it is the OVER emphasis and the insistence that extra biblical revelation supersedes what is written that is actually the glaring error made by WOF)

There are two primary Greek words that describe Scripture which are translated “word” in the New Testament. The first, logos, refers principally to the total inspired Word of God and to Jesus, who is the living Word. Logos is found in John 1:1; Luke 8:11; Philippians 2:16; Hebrews 4:12; and other verses. The second Greek word translated “word” is rhema, which refers to the spoken word. Rhema literally means an utterance(individually, collectively or specifically). Examples are found in Luke 1:38; 3:2; 5:5; and Acts 11:16.

Charismatic and non-charismatic Christians have different views regarding rhema and how it should be understood. Some charismatics view rhema as the voice of the Holy Spirit speaking to them at the present moment. They believe they should be guided by the Holy Spirit through inner feelings, impressions and experiences. Some believe that the direct words of God to the individual can also be imparted through the words of others, such as a preacher in a worship service or a friend who counsels them. Through these avenues, the Christian experiences God’s direct leading. There is also the belief that the spoken word has more power than the written word, but there is no biblical basis for such a belief.

Evangelical Christians, however, have a much different understanding of rhema, believing that it is essentially synonymous with logos. In other words, the specific guidance we receive from the Holy Spirit at any given time can only be discerned by the general principles laid down in the Bible. Where the Bible is silent on specifics—such as where a young person should go to college—then the Christian applies biblical principles (good stewardship of God-given resources, protecting one’s heart and mind from godless influences, etc.) to the situation and thereby arrives at a decision.

The test of the authenticity of a rhema from God is how it compares to the whole of Scripture. Orthodoxy says that God will not speak a word that contradicts His written Word, the Scriptures, so there is a built-in safeguard to prevent misinterpretation. The obvious danger is that one who is not familiar with the logos can misinterpret or misunderstand what he or she perceives to be a rhema.

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7seasrekeyed · Dec 10, 2017

I ran out of time re the post above so this is in addition to my thoughts above in brackets

I do not find Got Questions to be the most reliable reference for balanced answers, but they do supply scripture and if anyone is really wanting to understand a subject, often this can be at least a starting point

with regards to the reference to evangelicals vs charismatics....they are off base there IMO

I certainly do agree with this though:

The test of the authenticity of a rhema from God is how it compares to the whole of Scripture. Orthodoxy says that God will not speak a word that contradicts His written Word, the Scriptures, so there is a built-in safeguard to prevent misinterpretation. The obvious danger is that one who is not familiar with the logos can misinterpret or misunderstand what he or she perceives to be a rhema.

anyway...carry on

Nehemiah6 · Dec 10, 2017

maverich said:

Your post is really quite misleading and inaccurate and does not really help anyone.

"They had no Bible" should say "They had the Hebrew Bible (the Tanakh)" (Luke 24:44-46).

"Maybe the Word is alive and well" should say "Jesus the eternal Word is definitely now in Heaven, and His written Word (the Bible) is definitely a living Word" (Heb 4:12,13)

"Maybe the gifts of the Spirit aren't manifested today" should say "The majority of the gifts of the Holy Spirit are indeed manifested today, but the sign gifts are not".

"because we spend so much time in the Bible, and very little in the Word" should say "The Bible is the Word of God, and we are commanded to study it diligently".

"Spend time with Jesus, without the bible and see what you may learn" should say "Spend time with Jesus and the Bible and you will be a strong Christian".

maverich · Dec 10, 2017

the point of this was to show, that Jesus is alive and well. I know alot of you think i have a direct line with the Father, I do!
what really frosts me is a lot of you, have no character, no personality, and if you didn't thump the bible, you would have nothing to say
whats worse then bible thumping, is taking scripture and putting in what you believe should be there. Yonga i believe stated Phillip had the book of Isaiah when he came up on the ethiopian . He didn't have it. The ethiopian had it and Phillip joined him and explained Jesus to him.
That man was if history is correct began the Koptic church.
All I really care about on this sight, and it gets me to writing is, the number of people that read all the posts, and never post theirselves. They may stay they may run. They may have become muslims because of the bile that runs out of some fingertips. I understand, you don't believe me. But at least give the visitors a chance to decide.

THE LOST THE LEAST AND THE LAST want answers, not thumping. I can go to church and get thumping, how about what has Jesus done for you

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