PELAGIANISM VS SYNERGISM VS DIVINE MONERGISM COMPARISON BY JOHN SAMPSON

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ACCORDING TO THE DESCRIPTIONS ON THE THREAD WHICH VIEW DO YOU HOLD?

  • PELAGIANISM

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • SYNERGISM - SEMI-PELAGIAN VARIETY

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • SYNERGISM - ARMINIAN VARIETY

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • DIVINE MONERGISM (REFORMED OR AUGUSTINIAN)

    Votes: 5 71.4%

  • Total voters
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Using these descriptions, which group would you fall under?

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Three Views on Man’s Condition

1. PELAGIANISM – Salvation is all of man (human monergism)

BELIEF: MAN IS WELL

Named after the British monk Pelagius (354 – 418 A.D.)

Pelagius believed that Adam’s sin affected no one but himself. Those born since Adam have been born into the same condition Adam was in before the Fall, neutral towards sin. Human beings are able to live free from sin if they want to.

Pelagius read one of Augustine’s prayers which upset him greatly. Augustine had prayed “Lord, command what You will and grant what You command.” Pelagius thought that if God commanded something, for Him to remain just, man would need to have the ability to do what God commanded without grace. There would be no need for God to “grant” what He commanded. Augustine defended his view that although God commanded, He needs to grant grace to us so that we can be empowered to do what He commands.

Pelagianism is a humanistic, man centered teaching and while it is very positive, it limits the nature and scope of sin and flatly denies the necessity of God’s grace. Pelagius’ view was condemned as heresy by the Church, as it has no basis in Scripture. However, the view never really went away and is still very prevalent in our own day. As one man said, “we are born Pelagians at heart.” We think we can do anything God commands or achieve salvation without the need for grace.

2. SYNERGISM (through the actions of more than one – cooperation)

BELIEF: MAN IS SICK, EVEN MORTALLY SICK, BUT NOT DEAD SPIRITUALLY

Observing that if man was as healthy as the optimists say, then surely war, disease, starvation, poverty and such problems we face today would have been eliminated by now. Since such problems have not been fixed, Synergists conclude that something is basically wrong with human nature. Yet, they contend that the situation is not hopeless. Its bad, perhaps even desperate, but not hopeless. We haven’t blown ourselves off the planet yet so there’s no need to call the mortician yet.
Human nature has been damaged by the Fall. The will is NOT enslaved to sin, but is capable of believing in Christ, even prior to regeneration (although not entirely apart from God’s grace). Every sinner retains the ability to choose for or against God, either cooperating with God’s Spirit unto salvation or resisting God’s grace unto damnation.

Election is conditional, determined by individual choice: the only people God has chosen are those whom He already knew would believe. The faith He forsees is not exclusively a divine gift but partly a human decision. Therefore, the ultimate cause of salvation is not God’s choice of the sinner but the sinner’s choice of God.

Under this broad heading of synergism, we have two basic schools of thought:

A. SEMI-PELAGIANISM – which teaches that man initiates, God helps.
“… Divine grace is indispensable for salvation, but it does not necessarily need to precede a free human choice, because, despite the weakness of human volition, the will takes the initiative toward God.” R. Kyle (Elwell Evangelical Dictionary)

B. ARMINIANISM – which teaches that God initiates by offering grace, and that mankind either does or does not cooperate with that grace.

This belief, though quite popular in our day, would still be classed as synergistic because regeneration takes place through the cooperation of man with God’s grace.

3. AUGUSTINIANISM (Reformed) – God saves by His Divine power alone (Divine monergism)

BELIEF: MAN IS DEAD SPIRITUALLY

Each of the members of the Trinity are at work in the salvation of sinners. God the Father elects a people for salvation, Jesus the Son redeems them in His atoning work on the cross, and God, the Holy Spirit, regenerates them, bringing them to life.

Lazarus, being a lifeless corpse in the tomb, did not cooperate with Christ with regard to his own resurrection. Jesus simply cried out “Lazarus come forth!” and this call was powerful and sufficient in and of itself to bring dead Lazarus back to life. Christ did not interview the dead man Lazarus and ask if he would like to be resurrected, and once he got the “all clear” went ahead with his plan, now having obtained Lazarus’ permission and assent. Nor did Lazarus, once brought back to life, immediately take Jesus to court in attempt to sue him for violating his free will – his libertarian rights as a dead man to stay dead! No, for the rest of his earthly life, Lazarus was deeply grateful for the unspeakable mercy he had received from the Master.

This is a beautiful picture of what God does in our regeneration from spiritual death. Man, once receiving this grace of regeneration, then infallibly responds in faith to the effectual call of God.

I believe this is the biblical description regarding the state of man before he is regenerated. He is “dead in trespasses and sins.” (Eph. 2:1).

Augustinianism is named after Saint Augustine of the 5th Century A.D.. As far as his relationship to God is concerned, man is a lifeless corpse, unable to make a single move toward God, or even respond to God, unless God first brings this spiritually dead corpse to life. Although spiritually dead, it is a strange death since he is nevertheless up and about actively practicing sin. He is what horror stories call a zombie – dead but walking around. This is a fair description of what Paul says about human nature in its lost condition. Apart from Jesus Christ, these sinning human corpses are the living dead. Man’s will is enslaved (John 8:34).

Man has a will, most definitely, but this will never wants God (Rom 3:11; Rom 8:7), without the direct and gracious intervention of God. The sinner actively practices evil. He is also by nature an object of God’s wrath (Eph 2:3). BUT GOD, who is rich in mercy…. even when we were dead… made us alive (by grace you have been saved)… (Eph. 2:4, 5)
This truth is demonstrated in many passages in scripture, but perhaps the clearest is Ephesians 2:1-10.

1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,
2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.
3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Colossians 2:13 also states, “When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him…”

Notice that both in Ephesians 2:5, and Colossians 2:13, it was when we were dead that GOD MADE US ALIVE. Not one mention is made of our role in all this, such as, “when you were dead, you decided to cooperate with God’s grace, and He then raised you…” I don’t know how the Apostle Paul could have taught Divine monergism more clearly. It was when we were dead that God made us alive.

Augustinianism removes all ground for boasting, demolishes all human pride and exalts God’s grace as the sole efficient cause of a sinner’s salvation. As Jonah 2:9 says, “Salvation is of the Lord.” Therefore the glory for it goes to God, and to God alone.

SO THEN IT DOES NOT DEPEND ON THE MAN WHO WILLS OR THE MAN WHO RUNS, BUT ON GOD WHO HAS MERCY. – Rom. 9:16

He, who has ears to hear, let him hear.
 
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MarcR

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NONE OF THE ABOVE
 

BenFTW

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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

[h=1]1 John 2:2 King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.[/FONT]
 
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2. Why do you use that description?

I don’t know, I never really thought about it.

It accurately describes my beliefs.

I am not familiar with the beliefs of other religions.

It is a convenient response.

It is how I was raised.


Other (please specify)





4. Based on the tenets of the description that you chose, how accurately do your beliefs match that label?

Very Accurately, I believe in all the tenets.

Somewhat Accurately, I believe in most, but not all the tenets.

Somewhat Inaccurately, I believe in some of the tenets.

Very Inaccurately, I use the label but do not believe most of the tenets.

I Don’t Know

There are no “tenets” behind the choice I made.







8.
When meeting someone for the first time, does it make you feel more comfortable to find out they use the same label or have the same views on religion as you do?


Yes

A little

Not really

Not at all




I'm starting to think these surveys are like some kind of off the wall label prescribed by the need to define personal bias at the expense of others being outside what is considered the personal norm

they may also be handy as subs for:

contents: follows is the list of defining beliefs that will result in acceptance or rejection

no baloney is always a good choice though
:rolleyes:

 
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I voted semi-pelagian because im constantly called that on this forum. Faith working by love, working together with God, its what the bible teaches, its what the early church believed. Its what the jews still believe today, synergism

This website has a lot of quotes on many topics from the early church, the one im linking is about synergism/freewill/predestination.

Free Will and Predestination | Early Christian Commentary
In the beginning He made the human race with the power of thought and of choosing the truth and doing right, so that all men are without excuse before God; for they have been born rational and contemplative. Justin Martyr (A.D. 160) Ante-Nicene Fathers vol.1 pg.172


Since if it be not so, but all things happen by fate, neither is anything at all in our own power. For if it be fated that this man, e.g., be good, and this other evil, neither is the former meritorious nor the latter to be blamed. And again, unless the human race has the power of avoiding evil and choosing good by free choice, they are not accountable for their actions, of whatever kind they be. But that it is by free choice they both walk uprightly and stumble, we thus demonstrate. Justin Martyr (A.D. 160) Ante-Nicene Fathers vol.1 pg.177

For when you are desirous to do well, God is also ready to assist you. Ignatius: to the Smyrnaeans (A.D. 35-105 ) ch. 11
 

Joidevivre

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The gospel used to be so simple. Then people wanted to clutter things up - words and more words - that are not even in the bible.
 

Nehemiah6

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The gospel used to be so simple. Then people wanted to clutter things up - words and more words - that are not even in the bible.
Too many think that unless something is complicated, it cannot possibly have merit. Too many also try to "figure out" God. There should have been a fifth option as Marc has already indicated: NONE OF THE ABOVE. Augustine created as many problems as Pelagius, and both should have banned.
 
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The gospel used to be so simple. Then people wanted to clutter things up - words and more words - that are not even in the bible.

ha

exactly what I have been expressing to God lately

I don't think I ever would have been saved if I had to 'choose' which 'gospel' was the right one

there is only one and I did choose it

Good point!

btw, I was 5. Jesus said 'suffer the little children to come unto me'
 

BenFTW

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The gospel used to be so simple. Then people wanted to clutter things up - words and more words - that are not even in the bible.
Oh snap, I think you just started Joidevivreism. So many ism's lead to schisms. Christ came to save the world, not condemn it. This simple truth expounded upon for ages has led to speculation that attempts to understand God's ways, that are higher than our own. Men have concluded in ignorance boundaries to God's saving grace, and its extension to the world. There is not one soul upon this Earth that Christ would gaze into their eyes and say, "I didn't die for you." His desire, His heart, is for all. Let us not compromise the depths of God's great love.
 

Bladerunner

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Using these descriptions, which group would you fall under?

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Three Views on Man’s Condition

1. PELAGIANISM – Salvation is all of man (human monergism)

BELIEF: MAN IS WELL

Named after the British monk Pelagius (354 – 418 A.D.)

Pelagius believed that Adam’s sin affected no one but himself. Those born since Adam have been born into the same condition Adam was in before the Fall, neutral towards sin. Human beings are able to live free from sin if they want to.

Pelagius read one of Augustine’s prayers which upset him greatly. Augustine had prayed “Lord, command what You will and grant what You command.” Pelagius thought that if God commanded something, for Him to remain just, man would need to have the ability to do what God commanded without grace. There would be no need for God to “grant” what He commanded. Augustine defended his view that although God commanded, He needs to grant grace to us so that we can be empowered to do what He commands.

Pelagianism is a humanistic, man centered teaching and while it is very positive, it limits the nature and scope of sin and flatly denies the necessity of God’s grace. Pelagius’ view was condemned as heresy by the Church, as it has no basis in Scripture. However, the view never really went away and is still very prevalent in our own day. As one man said, “we are born Pelagians at heart.” We think we can do anything God commands or achieve salvation without the need for grace.

2. SYNERGISM (through the actions of more than one – cooperation)

BELIEF: MAN IS SICK, EVEN MORTALLY SICK, BUT NOT DEAD SPIRITUALLY

Observing that if man was as healthy as the optimists say, then surely war, disease, starvation, poverty and such problems we face today would have been eliminated by now. Since such problems have not been fixed, Synergists conclude that something is basically wrong with human nature. Yet, they contend that the situation is not hopeless. Its bad, perhaps even desperate, but not hopeless. We haven’t blown ourselves off the planet yet so there’s no need to call the mortician yet.
Human nature has been damaged by the Fall. The will is NOT enslaved to sin, but is capable of believing in Christ, even prior to regeneration (although not entirely apart from God’s grace). Every sinner retains the ability to choose for or against God, either cooperating with God’s Spirit unto salvation or resisting God’s grace unto damnation.

Election is conditional, determined by individual choice: the only people God has chosen are those whom He already knew would believe. The faith He forsees is not exclusively a divine gift but partly a human decision. Therefore, the ultimate cause of salvation is not God’s choice of the sinner but the sinner’s choice of God.

Under this broad heading of synergism, we have two basic schools of thought:

A. SEMI-PELAGIANISM – which teaches that man initiates, God helps.
“… Divine grace is indispensable for salvation, but it does not necessarily need to precede a free human choice, because, despite the weakness of human volition, the will takes the initiative toward God.” R. Kyle (Elwell Evangelical Dictionary)

B. ARMINIANISM – which teaches that God initiates by offering grace, and that mankind either does or does not cooperate with that grace.

This belief, though quite popular in our day, would still be classed as synergistic because regeneration takes place through the cooperation of man with God’s grace.

3. AUGUSTINIANISM (Reformed) – God saves by His Divine power alone (Divine monergism)

BELIEF: MAN IS DEAD SPIRITUALLY

Each of the members of the Trinity are at work in the salvation of sinners. God the Father elects a people for salvation, Jesus the Son redeems them in His atoning work on the cross, and God, the Holy Spirit, regenerates them, bringing them to life.

Lazarus, being a lifeless corpse in the tomb, did not cooperate with Christ with regard to his own resurrection. Jesus simply cried out “Lazarus come forth!” and this call was powerful and sufficient in and of itself to bring dead Lazarus back to life. Christ did not interview the dead man Lazarus and ask if he would like to be resurrected, and once he got the “all clear” went ahead with his plan, now having obtained Lazarus’ permission and assent. Nor did Lazarus, once brought back to life, immediately take Jesus to court in attempt to sue him for violating his free will – his libertarian rights as a dead man to stay dead! No, for the rest of his earthly life, Lazarus was deeply grateful for the unspeakable mercy he had received from the Master.

This is a beautiful picture of what God does in our regeneration from spiritual death. Man, once receiving this grace of regeneration, then infallibly responds in faith to the effectual call of God.

I believe this is the biblical description regarding the state of man before he is regenerated. He is “dead in trespasses and sins.” (Eph. 2:1).

Augustinianism is named after Saint Augustine of the 5th Century A.D.. As far as his relationship to God is concerned, man is a lifeless corpse, unable to make a single move toward God, or even respond to God, unless God first brings this spiritually dead corpse to life. Although spiritually dead, it is a strange death since he is nevertheless up and about actively practicing sin. He is what horror stories call a zombie – dead but walking around. This is a fair description of what Paul says about human nature in its lost condition. Apart from Jesus Christ, these sinning human corpses are the living dead. Man’s will is enslaved (John 8:34).

Man has a will, most definitely, but this will never wants God (Rom 3:11; Rom 8:7), without the direct and gracious intervention of God. The sinner actively practices evil. He is also by nature an object of God’s wrath (Eph 2:3). BUT GOD, who is rich in mercy…. even when we were dead… made us alive (by grace you have been saved)… (Eph. 2:4, 5)
This truth is demonstrated in many passages in scripture, but perhaps the clearest is Ephesians 2:1-10.

1 And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,
2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.
3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
7 so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Colossians 2:13 also states, “When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him…”

Notice that both in Ephesians 2:5, and Colossians 2:13, it was when we were dead that GOD MADE US ALIVE. Not one mention is made of our role in all this, such as, “when you were dead, you decided to cooperate with God’s grace, and He then raised you…” I don’t know how the Apostle Paul could have taught Divine monergism more clearly. It was when we were dead that God made us alive.

Augustinianism removes all ground for boasting, demolishes all human pride and exalts God’s grace as the sole efficient cause of a sinner’s salvation. As Jonah 2:9 says, “Salvation is of the Lord.” Therefore the glory for it goes to God, and to God alone.

SO THEN IT DOES NOT DEPEND ON THE MAN WHO WILLS OR THE MAN WHO RUNS, BUT ON GOD WHO HAS MERCY. – Rom. 9:16

He, who has ears to hear, let him hear.[/QUOTE

Wrong Answers.....Please reboot

 
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Could someone here help me out? I opened this thread and had the overwhelming urge to put my hoodie hood on my head and pull the draw strings real hard. I cannot breath, see or get the hood off my head and face.

Thanks in advance.
 
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am i right that semi-pelagians and pelagians dont believe in original sin u see???????
 

Johnny_B

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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

1 John 2:2 King James Version (KJV)

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

World does not always mean world as you are trying to use I John 2:2, here Jesus uses the word world and He is not talking about the world as all mankind, John 18:20
Jesus answered him, “I spoke openly to the world. I always taught in synagogues and in the temple, where the Jews always meet, and in secret I have said nothing."

Did Jesus speak openly to the world? No, He did not, world here means the whole of the Jews who all had to come to the Temple for the Passover from every place in the world that the Jews lived, in that way Jesus spoke to the world. John being Jewish and there were those that still believed that the Messiah was only for the Jews, here we have the same authur and he explains who the whole world is that are the saints or who the propitiation is for or benifits from it, the saints.

Revelation 5:9-10 And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll, and to open its seals; for You were slain, and have redeemed us to God by Your blood out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,10 And have made us kings and priests to our God; and we shall reign on the earth.”

Revelation 13:7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to ​overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.

Peter also tells us the same thing using different words in his first sermon Acts 2:39
For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.

You and your children, Peter is saying what John is saying, for us Jews, then Peter says and to all who are a far off or the whole world, then he bring the point home, as many as the Lord our God calls to Himself or the saints as in Revelation 13:7
 
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the greatest day of both of our lives, was the day that Jesus called to us,
and He has never stopped - oh those man-made-up-words', they can tear
one away from the simplicity of Christ's Love...
 

preacher4truth

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The gospel used to be so simple.
It still is simple, yet, it is very complex when studied out. Thus the book of Romans, a very complex book expounding the Gospel which cannot be exhausted under the Sun.

What is the Gospel, by the way?

Another thought: Too few in churches can state what the Gospel is. If it is so simple, why do so many professing believers not know what the Gospel is?

Then people wanted to clutter things up - words and more words - that are not even in the bible.
No, people didn't want to clutter it up, they wanted to plunge its depths, and I for one am glad they have! I am also grateful for the many works that have been wrought and written to glorify God's Gospel and his Son!

Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways! “For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been his counselor?” “Or who has given a gift to him that he might be repaid?” For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen. - Romans 11:33-36 (and the context of this doxology is the Gospel; Romans 11:28) :)
 
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So, so true, the time I spent reading the clutter and intellectualizing, ended up being time wasted, I could have been knowing Jesus much better through His own words and the words of His apostles.

No need for a schema.


The gospel used to be so simple. Then people wanted to clutter things up - words and more words - that are not even in the bible.
 

Johnny_B

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The gospel used to be so simple. Then people wanted to clutter things up - words and more words - that are not even in the bible.

It is simple, so simple a child can understand it, yet the greatest theologian can not plumb it's deepths. Here is how simple it is,

Psalm 3:8 “Salvation belongs to the Lord. Your blessing is upon Your people. Selah

Here's how deep it can be. Ephesians 1:3-14

“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.

7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence,9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself,10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him.11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will,12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.

13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.”

Either way the praise goes to Him for salvation, because salvation is His to give according to the purpose of His will.
 

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I have no idea what these beliefs are so I'll go with Christian.
 

tourist

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The gospel used to be so simple. Then people wanted to clutter things up - words and more words - that are not even in the bible.
It's still simple. There are those that want to complicate it. Jesus died for our sins. That about sums it up for me. I'm not sure what 'ism' that is but I'm reasonable certain that its not plagiarism.