IS JEREMIAH 10 TALKING ABOUT A CHRISTMAS TREE?

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IS JEREMIAH 10 TALKING ABOUT A CHRISTMAS TREE?

  • I AM ANTI-CHRISTMAS AND JEREMIAH 10 IS TALKING ABOUT A CHRISTMAS TREE

    Votes: 1 11.1%
  • I AM ANTI-CHRISTMAS AND JEREMIAH 10 IS NOT TALKING ABOUT A CHRISTMAS TREE

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I AM PRO-CHRISTMAS AND JEREMIAH 10 IS TALKING ABOUT A CHRISTMAS TREE

    Votes: 1 11.1%
  • I AM PRO-CHRISTMAS AND JEREMIAH 10 IS NOT TALKING ABOUT A CHRISTMAS TREE

    Votes: 7 77.8%

  • Total voters
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Feb 1, 2014
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A friend of mine sent me a video from an Armstrongite program concerning the pagan Christmas tree. I found myself laughing hysterically at the foolish claims that are being made by them and other anti-holiday people. They were discussing how people "reverence" the tree and therefore are committing idolatry.

What planet do they live on? Those who observe Christmas don't reverence any tree. I've heard of some anti-holiday people who claim that kneeling under the Christmas tree to open up presents is an act of worship. :D

Sad thing is I used to believe their nonsense as an Armstrongite, when I was 22-32 years old.

Personally I find the position laughable now..I wonder how in the world I ever got caught up in their cultic worldview.

Anyways, I'd like to know how many people read these verses, and see a Christmas tree in them:

Jeremiah 10:1-10 [SUP]1[/SUP] Hear the word that the Lord speaks to you, O house of Israel. [SUP]2[/SUP] Thus says the Lord:
"Learn not the way of the nations,
nor be dismayed at the signs of the heavens
because the nations are dismayed at them,
[SUP]3[/SUP] for the customs of the peoples are vanity.
A tree from the forest is cut down
and worked with an axe by the hands of a craftsman.
[SUP]4[/SUP] They decorate it with silver and gold;
they fasten it with hammer and nails
so that it cannot move.
[SUP]5[/SUP] Their idols are like scarecrows in a cucumber field,
and they cannot speak;
they have to be carried,
for they cannot walk.
Do not be afraid of them,
for they cannot do evil,
neither is it in them to do good."
[SUP]6[/SUP] There is none like you, O Lord;
you are great, and your name is great in might.
[SUP]7[/SUP] Who would not fear you, O King of the nations?
For this is your due;
for among all the wise ones of the nations
and in all their kingdoms
there is none like you.
[SUP]8[/SUP] They are both stupid and foolish;
the instruction of idols is but wood!
[SUP]9[/SUP] Beaten silver is brought from Tarshish,
and gold from Uphaz.
They are the work of the craftsman and of the hands of the goldsmith;
their clothing is violet and purple;
they are all the work of skilled men.
[SUP]10[/SUP] But the Lord is the true God;
he is the living God and the everlasting King.
At his wrath the earth quakes,
and the nations cannot endure his indignation.
(ESV)
 
Feb 1, 2014
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It's plain to me that these verses are talking about an idol made from wood, that has clothing made of violet and purple.

Additionally, it can't be a Christmas tree as this custom came about over 2000 years after Jeremiah.
 

Hizikyah

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Aug 25, 2013
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 10:1-6, "Hear the word which YHWH speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what YHWH says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness!"

totem type or tree type the practice goes back to Babylon

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SovereignGrace

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Unless someone bows to and worships the Christmas tree, it’s not idolatry.

I sacrifice cookies to it quite often. Uhhhh...oops?
 

Hizikyah

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Aug 25, 2013
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Unless someone bows to and worships the Christmas tree, it’s not idolatry.

I sacrifice cookies to it quite often. Uhhhh...oops?
Cool story, but YHWH does not say it ok as long as you don't do wthe wave to it, He says don't do it.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 16:21-22, “Do not plant for yourself any tree as an Ashĕrah near the altar of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Strength that you make for yourself. And do not set up a pillar, which [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]your Strength hates.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 12:29-32, “When YHWH your Father cuts off the nations from in front of you, and you displace them and live in their land, Be careful not to be ensnared into following them by asking about their gods (elohim), saying: How did these nations serve their gods? I also will do the same. You must not worship YHWH your Father in their way.."[/FONT]

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Colossians 2:20, “If, then, you died with Messiah from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to it’s ordinances.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Colossians 2:8, “See to it that no one makes a prey of you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary matters of the world, and not according to Messiah.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 10:1-6, "Hear the word which YHWH speaks concerning you, O house of Israyl. This is what YHWH says: Do not learn the way of the heathen and do not be deceived by the signs of heaven; though the heathen are deceived by them For the religious customs of the peoples are vain; worthless! For one cuts a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the ax. They decorate it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, so that it will not move; topple over. They are upright, like a palm tree, but they cannot speak; they must be carried, because they cannot go by themselves. Do not give them reverence! They cannot do evil, nor is it in them to do righteousness!"
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Feb 28, 2016
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guess some, who don't really 'know' the Bible, have turned off the switch or
simple choose to not acknowledge where their fore-fathers sacrificed and ate
their own children in reverence to 'other gods'...

JER. 2:20.

For of old time I have broken thy yoke, and burst thy bands; and thou saidst, I will not transgress;
when upon every high hill and under every green tree thou wanderest, playing the harlot.

EZE. 6:13.
Then shall ye know that I am The LORD, when their slain men shall be among their idols
round about their altars, upon every high hill, in all the tops of the mountains, and under
every green tree, and under every thick oak, the place where they did offer
sweet savour to all their idols.
 

Hizikyah

Senior Member
Aug 25, 2013
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guess some, who don't really 'know' the Bible, have turned off the switch or
simple choose to not acknowledge where their fore-fathers sacrificed and ate
their own children in reverence to 'other gods'...

JER. 2:20.

For of old time I have broken thy yoke, and burst thy bands; and thou saidst, I will not transgress;
when upon every high hill and under every green tree thou wanderest, playing the harlot.

EZE. 6:13.
Then shall ye know that I am The LORD, when their slain men shall be among their idols
round about their altars, upon every high hill, in all the tops of the mountains, and under
every green tree, and under every thick oak, the place where they did offer
sweet savour to all their idols.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 15:4-6, “For whatever was written before was written for our instruction, that through endurance and encouragement of the Scriptures we might have the expectation. And the Mighty One of endurance and encouragement give you to be of the same mind toward one another, according to Messiah [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], "that with one mind and one mouth, you might praise the YHWH and Father of our Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Timothy 3:16-17, “All Scripture is breathed out by YHWH and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for setting straight, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of YHWH might be fitted, equipped for every right work.”[/FONT]
 
Apr 15, 2017
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Jeremiah 10 is not speaking of a Christmas tree,but of people cutting a tree down,and then forming an idol from it to worship it to honor their god,which is where the gold and silver come in,for they are precious metals.

Jer 10:1 Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
Jer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

Do not be in to astrology,and the aligning of planets,and think there is reading in the stars.

Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
Jer 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

They do not deck it with lights,and tinsel,and candy canes,and baubles,and what people decorate their Christmas tree,but they deck it with silver and gold,precious metals for it is to honor their god.

People do not honor a god by their Christmas tree,and I do not see how even pagans can honor a gods with a Christmas,although they do honor the sun god on Christmas,and the fertility god on Easter.

Jer 10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
Jer 10:6 Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.
Jer 10:7 Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee.
Jer 10:8 But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.
Jer 10:9 Silver spread into plates is brought from Tarshish, and gold from Uphaz, the work of the workman, and of the hands of the founder: blue and purple is their clothing: they are all the work of cunning men.
Jer 10:10 But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God, and an everlasting king: at his wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide his indignation.
 

MarcR

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Feb 12, 2015
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I did not vote.

I am not anti-Christmas. I believe that it is proper to commemorate the Lord's birth. While I believe that Jesus was actually born during Sukkot (tabernacles); I believe that those who do not share that persuasion are at liberty to observe the traditional date. I am against the commercialization of Christmas. I believe that the German tannenbaum had its origins in traditional observance of Jesus birth and that its variations elsewhere in the world have no pagan connection.

I believe that Constantine's effort to make Christian commemorations coincide with pagan festivals was misguided at best; but I do not fault believers for following established traditions.
 
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It speaks of a tree decked with gold and silver and worshipped as an idol.....it was centered on the winter solstice and was aimed at the worship of the sun and moon.......and represented the birth of the new year!
 

trofimus

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I am not anti-christmas but I am doing it my way, not in a cultural way.
 
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im all for christmas u see..... i like it.

bring in the sorrel u see!!!! cheers.

i believe that verse in jeremiah can be applied to the christmas tree, but i think in its original context u see its about making wooden idol falsegods.

for those who dunno this is sorrel:

[video=youtube;6fJC9uvcKBI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fJC9uvcKBI[/video]
 

OneFaith

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Jeremiah 10:3 “A craftsman shapes it with His chisel.” I have never heard of anyone chiseling a sculpture out of their Christmas tree. What they were making were idols to be worshipped. If you do not worship your Christmas tree, I’d say you’re good, nothing to worry about.
 
Feb 1, 2014
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im all for christmas u see..... i like it.

bring in the sorrel u see!!!! cheers.

i believe that verse in jeremiah can be applied to the christmas tree, but i think in its original context u see its about making wooden idol falsegods.

for those who dunno this is sorrel:

[video=youtube;6fJC9uvcKBI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fJC9uvcKBI[/video]
The drink looks appetizing :) What's on the table next to the jars?
 

trofimus

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When we are talking about different cultures...

Yes, Czechs bring live carps to their homes.

Yes, they put the fish into their bath (and so do not bath until the fish is there).

Yes, they take it out on the Christmas Eve and kill it in the kitchen (big show for whole the family, many brave fathers fail the task and rather go with children out to put the carp back into the nature).

[video=youtube;zmjinYxCFHA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmjinYxCFHA[/video]
 
Mar 28, 2016
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“Green” represents spirit life as a metaphor used in parables just as in the same way he uses “living water”.. But as corrupted (the whole creation) it is not a source of spirit life any more than humans.

2Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

It can be a good ceremonial tradition if used properly. Nothing of itself is evil save the evil one. ..It could be used as a way to remind people to open their Bibles the one source of God’s faith unseen.

Green is used many time to represent the power of the living gospel.

Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Deuteronomy 12:2 Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree:

Judges 16:7 And Samson said unto her, If they bind me with seven green withs that were never dried, then shall I be weak, and be as another man.

God does not forbid using traditions as long as they do not make the grace of God without effect .Eating cookies could be used to represent the hidden manna (the parables) .The word of God in that way is signified as Honey.

Eating something sweet does not mean idol worship any more than a green tree in the living room eating cookies.

.Its how we taste and see that the Lord is good.