About Israel's Capital

[abcdef]

Most seem to be deriving their knowledge of events with eyes of flesh only in this thread, even worse eyes of flesh in people wanting their own power and glory.

Seeing the events from the understanding given by the Holy Spirit from the Word brightens the path.

God is not a man that He is to be perfectly understood in the flesh, I have in the past learned many lessons from one word or text. I believe all who believe experience this throughtout their reading. I could be wrong, but one thing I can tell you, what I post has not been false, a lie.

Thank you for your consideration. God bless you with His wisdom and understanding.

Brother JaumeJ,

Thanks for all your great posts and thoughts.

I pray that the Holy Spirit will give your body strength and refresh your soul.

Please don't let the world drag you down.

God bless you Brother.

 

[JaumeJ]

From the heart, soul and mind, I pray the same for you. God bless you with these and more, amen.

Brother JaumeJ,

Thanks for all your great posts and thoughts.

I pray that the Holy Spirit will give your body strength and refresh your soul.

Please don't let the world drag you down.

God bless you Brother.

 

[KelbyofGod]

You mean to the original Americans or to European conquerors?

If to the original ones, OK, then Jerusalem belongs to Jews (even though Jerusalem is not originally Jewish city, but nevermind).

If the USA belongs to its current inhabitants, then Jerusalem belongs to Palestinians from the half part. (And Palestinians are more semitic than today's Jews who came mixed from Russia, Europe and USA).

That's actually quite a humorous post, in a literal way. lol I like it. not because I agree with all the implications but because it points them out.

 

[FlSnookman7]

I support Israel and President Trump's decision to move the embassy to Jerusalem.

But I have never been able to accept modern day Israel as truly Jewish.

I have asked the question, "Would Jesus accept modern day Jews as truly Jewish when He would not accept Samaritans as anything other then half-breeds themselves?" If those of mixed blood then were not Jewish how can anyone today meet His standard? I have received little response.

It seems modern day Israel is Jewish in name only.

"Would Jesus accept modern day Jews as truly Jewish when He would not accept Samaritans as anything other then half-breeds themselves?"

Yet Jesus choose a samaritan woman to be the 1st evangelist....also what is this "mixed blood" nonsense you speak of? The only blood that matters is the blood Jesus spilled for us. Jesus is, was and always will be a jew.
I wonder when you consider Israel to have lost her "jewness", was it after 400 years in exile? One of the most telling signs that the jews are God's chosen people is how they once again become a nation after being scattered so many times.
It is a miracle that Israel even exists at all today. Surrounded by enemies, abandoned by friends yet still she is there.
Your acceptance or lack thereof not withstanding, modern Israel is a miracle.

 

[JaumeJ]

Todays people of Judaism are very much the same as the Pharisees and Sadducee
of His time here with us.

Judaism never existed in Israel, howeve by the time of the Judah of His advent, Jewish denominations replaced the Faith of Abraham taught first by Moses then Jesus, Whom shined light on all.

Denominations are the same today in Judaism and in Christianity. No one who knows and has truly learned of Jesus Christ will choose any sect to which he cannot honestly placed dJesus Christ, Yeshua.

"Would Jesus accept modern day Jews as truly Jewish when He would not accept Samaritans as anything other then half-breeds themselves?"

Yet Jesus choose a samaritan woman to be the 1st evangelist....also what is this "mixed blood" nonsense you speak of? The only blood that matters is the blood Jesus spilled for us. Jesus is, was and always will be a jew.
I wonder when you consider Israel to have lost her "jewness", was it after 400 years in exile? One of the most telling signs that the jews are God's chosen people is how they once again become a nation after being scattered so many times.
It is a miracle that Israel even exists at all today. Surrounded by enemies, abandoned by friends yet still she is there.
Your acceptance or lack thereof not withstanding, modern Israel is a miracle.

 

[7777pinacled]

"Would Jesus accept modern day Jews as truly Jewish when He would not accept Samaritans as anything other then half-breeds themselves?"

Yet Jesus choose a samaritan woman to be the 1st evangelist....also what is this "mixed blood" nonsense you speak of? The only blood that matters is the blood Jesus spilled for us. Jesus is, was and always will be a jew.
I wonder when you consider Israel to have lost her "jewness", was it after 400 years in exile? One of the most telling signs that the jews are God's chosen people is how they once again become a nation after being scattered so many times.
It is a miracle that Israel even exists at all today. Surrounded by enemies, abandoned by friends yet still she is there.
Your acceptance or lack thereof not withstanding, modern Israel is a miracle.

An Awesome God of tender mercies.

Amen.
Thankful for the post.

 

[7777pinacled]

Todays people of Judaism are very much the same as the Pharisees and Sadducee
of His time here with us.

Judaism never existed in Israel, howeve by the time of the Judah of His advent, Jewish denominations replaced the Faith of Abraham taught first by Moses then Jesus, Whom shined light on all.

Denominations are the same today in Judaism and in Christianity. No one who knows and has truly learned of Jesus Christ will choose any sect to which he cannot honestly placed dJesus Christ, Yeshua.

True,
I have had a few conversations with them in other forums and have learned a few things that left me speechless. Not so much that i would not defend my brothers and sister in Christ. Only in part was i speechless because it will be just as yechezkel(ezekiel) saw in the vision. The ink horn is prepared.

Something i would rather speak about is how you came by the sound of speech Where you place an H in your spelling of yerushalayim.
The reason i ask is because this the second time ive heard it.
In the Spirit i hear the h sound.
Yehrushalayim.

The r and h have a rolling sound.

Blessings Always

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by JaumeJ

Todays people of Judaism are very much the same as the Pharisees and Sadducee of His time here with us.

This is so untrue as to be laughable.

 

[7777pinacled]

This is so untrue as to be laughable.

In the future i suggest you learn not to be so hasty.

Yeshua himself spoke of the synagogue of satan.
And i have personally had it out with them for attempting to lead unsuspecting people to curse Abraham and the Seed of promise.

Lastly, i find your tone of implying that both jj and i are lying as one of the most disrespectful responses ive read in this forum.
And ive only just joined this week.

You know full well there is an unforgivable sin.

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by valiant

This is so untrue as to be laughable.

In the future i suggest you learn not to be so hasty.

My statement is fully true. The inhabitants of Israel are far from the Jews of Jesus day. They are composed among others of peoples who had vague connections with Israel's ritual, and a large number are admittedly Eastern European in ORIGIN. Get your facts right,

Yeshua himself spoke of the synagogue of satan.

And He WAS speaking of Jews.

Lastly, i find your tone of implying that both jj and i are lying as one of the most disrespectful responses ive read in this forum. And ive only just joined this week.

LOL so you don't have much to go by.

And I did not imply that you were lying. only that you had deceived yourselves

You know full well there is an unforgivable sin.

LOL Don't you know what that is?

 

[JaumeJ]

Laugh if you like, but they were teaching rabbinical teachings instead of the Books of Moses, the Writings and teh Prophets.

Just as the denominations of Christiandom have gone thier separate ways due to doctrinal (of men) disagreement.

If all had agreed at the time of Jesus and since He has ascended they would all be of the faith of Abraham with no discussion on doctriens for their doctrine would reflect the teaching of the Word as given by the Holy Spirit.

If you love to laugh at truth, the truth here should have you rolling on the floor. Myself, I remain sober minded in regard to Christ's teachings which begin with Genesis.

This is so untrue as to be laughable.

 

[JaumeJ]

From my understanding from study and living in Israel a time, there are many manners of pronouncing various words and names. I do not stress a particular pronunciation. In modern Hebrew there is Sephardi and Ashkenazim , min is closest to Sephardi.

Content is the important understanding, that by the Holy Spirit, and patience with others.

In the future i suggest you learn not to be so hasty.

Yeshua himself spoke of the synagogue of satan.
And i have personally had it out with them for attempting to lead unsuspecting people to curse Abraham and the Seed of promise.

Lastly, i find your tone of implying that both jj and i are lying as one of the most disrespectful responses ive read in this forum.
And ive only just joined this week.

You know full well there is an unforgivable sin.

 

[Nehemiah6]

This is so untrue as to be laughable.

Why is it untrue? Perhaps not so much the teaching of the Sadducees, but definitely the teachings of the Pharisees eventually appeared as the Talmud, and modern Judaism is based upon the Talmud. Of course, there are several versions of modern Judaism, but the Orthodox Jews embrace the Talmud.

Contemporary Orthodox Jews believe that they adhere to the same basic philosophy and legal framework that has existed throughout

Jewish history, whereas the other denominations depart from it. Orthodox Judaism, as it exists today, is an outgrowth that claims to extend from the time of Moses, to the time of the Mishnah and Talmud, through the development of oral law and rabbinic literature, until the present time. For some, Orthodox Judaism has been seen as a continuation of what was the mainstream expression of Judaism prior to the 19th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodox_Judaism#Roots_of_Orthodox_Judaism

 

[JaumeJ]

The Sadducee taught there was no resurrection, and who knowswhat other apostasy they taught. Among other rabbinical teachings the Pharisees regarded teh law and taught it without mercy, faith and justice..

The Israel founded physically by Joshua and cemented by the Word of God had ceased to exist in any manner close to how it was founded long before Jesus came to save all mankind, the Jeww first and then the Greek............

 

[DJ2]

"Would Jesus accept modern day Jews as truly Jewish when He would not accept Samaritans as anything other then half-breeds themselves?"

Yet Jesus choose a samaritan woman to be the 1st evangelist....also what is this "mixed blood" nonsense you speak of? The only blood that matters is the blood Jesus spilled for us. Jesus is, was and always will be a jew.
I wonder when you consider Israel to have lost her "jewness", was it after 400 years in exile? One of the most telling signs that the jews are God's chosen people is how they once again become a nation after being scattered so many times.
It is a miracle that Israel even exists at all today. Surrounded by enemies, abandoned by friends yet still she is there.
Your acceptance or lack thereof not withstanding, modern Israel is a miracle.

Yet Jesus choose a samaritan woman to be the 1st evangelist

The question is not would He accept them as evangelists but as Jews. He certainly did not accept the Samaritans as Jewish, why would He accept modern day Jews as legit physical heirs of Israel. Military success does not equal DNA.

 

[valiant]

Laugh if you like, but they were teaching rabbinical teachings instead of the Books of Moses, the Writings and teh Prophets.

I agree on that. But the make up of the Jews today is far different from the Jews of Jesus' time.

Just as the denominations of Christiandom have gone thier separate ways due to doctrinal (of men) disagreement.

So no one is right but you?

If all had agreed at the time of Jesus and since He has ascended they would all be of the faith of Abraham with no discussion on doctriens for their doctrine would reflect the teaching of the Word as given by the Holy Spirit.

But they weren't

If you love to laugh at truth, the truth here should have you rolling on the floor. Myself, I remain sober minded in regard to Christ's teachings which begin with Genesis.

I see now that you worded it badly. You said, 'Todays people of Judaism are very much the same as the Pharisees and Sadducee of His time here with us.' which is simply untrue in practise.' But they may have the same mindset.

 

[valiant]

Why is it untrue?

Because the Jews of today are made up very differently from the Jews then.

Perhaps not so much the teaching of the Sadducees, but definitely the teachings of the Pharisees eventually appeared as the Talmud, and modern Judaism is based upon the Talmud. Of course, there are several versions of modern Judaism, but the Orthodox Jews embrace the Talmud.

But he did not say 'the teaching of the Jews', he said the Jews themselves

 

[7777pinacled]

From my understanding from study and living in Israel a time, there are many manners of pronouncing various words and names. I do not stress a particular pronunciation. In modern Hebrew there is Sephardi and Ashkenazim , min is closest to Sephardi.

Content is the important understanding, that by the Holy Spirit, and patience with others.

Thankyou for sharing this with me.

Its not easy to discuss certain matters of the Heart with everyone.
I have come to learn that there are some who teach somewhat more about Malki'tzedeq than i thought would be found over the internet.


I will thank the Lord according to His righteousness, and I will sing praise to the name of the Lord Most High.

I will give thanks to Hashem according to His tzedek; and will sing praise to the Shem of Hashem Elyon.

 

[7777pinacled]

Because the Jews of today are made up very differently from the Jews then.




But he did not say 'the teaching of the Jews', he said the Jews themselves

you only misunderstood the discretion of the conversation.

Now as for raising your hands, be careful that there is no malice nor deceit in your right hand.

 

[JaumeJ]

What makes you believe I speak of myself? I speak for all who blieve when I repeat what is true as delivered by the Holy Spirit.

Have you bothered to read any of my p0osts? I have posted time and again there are believers in just about all denominations, all. So your "wo no one is right buty" sarcasm is totally uncalled for, and as I have been called for repeating truth, rude.

I agree on that. But the make up of the Jews today is far different from the Jews of Jesus' time.



So no one is right but you?



But they weren't



I see now that you worded it badly. You said, 'Todays people of Judaism are very much the same as the Pharisees and Sadducee of His time here with us.' which is simply untrue in practise.' But they may have the same mindset.