The Bible is not the Word

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This may have already come out here, i'm not too good at nav here yet. Rather than try and prove a negative, we might just discuss any..."proof" you may think you have. Feel free to consult with your pastor first; but don't be surprised when he doesn't bat an eye, ok.

Scripture is beneficial for...all the stuff It says that It is
Scripture is God~Breathed
etc

but Scripture is Law, not truth, and even refers to Itself that way; and we even have a Book of Truth mentioned in Scripture, that we cannot consult.

there are various reasons Word is occluded, we can get into that also i guess.
you can also reflect upon what "i give you my word" infers IRL; word requires breath,
and if you were to tell someone that i had given you my word that the Bible is not the Word,
meaning to refer to this post, you would of course have to qualify it with that explanation,
as my roommate or gf might just be posting for me, etc.

far from being some death toll for Scripture though, i can reasonably assure you that this will bring Scripture to life, if you are able to stop worshipping It, or even considering It "holy," which you also cannot quote.

In the beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God."
 

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Mat 4:4, “But He answering, said, “It has been written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of יהוה.” (Deut 8:3)

2 Timothy 2:16-17, “Do your utmost to present yourself approved to Yah, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly handling the Word of Truth. All Scripture is breathed out by Yah and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for setting straight, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of Yah might be fitted, equipped for every righteous work.”

Psalm 119:9, “How would a young man cleanse his path? To guard it according to Your word.”

Psalm 119:11, “I have stored up your word in my heart, that I might not sin against you.”

Deuteronomy 30:11-13, “For this Law which I command you this day is not hidden from you, nor is it beyond your reach. It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask; Who will ascend up into heaven for us, and bring it to us, so that we may hear it and then do it? Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask; Who will cross the sea, and bring it to us, so that we may hear it and then do it?”

Deuteronomy 6:5-9, “And you shall love יהוה your Strength with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your might. And these Words which I am commanding you today shall be in your heart, and you shall impress them upon your children, and shall speak of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise up, and shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes. And you shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.”

Romans 3:1-2, “What then is the advantage of the Yehuḏi, or what is the value of the circumcision? Much in every way! Because firstly indeed, that they were entrusted with the Words of Yah.”

Romans 2:17-21, “See, you are called a Yehuḏi, and rest on the Torah, and make your boast in Yah, and know the desire of Yah, and approve what is superior, being instructed out of the Torah, and are trusting that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, an instructor of foolish ones, a teacher of babes, having the form of knowledge and of the truth in the Torah. You, then, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who proclaim that a man should not steal, do you steal?”

1 Thessalonians 5:21, "but test everything; hold fast what is righteous."

Psa
lm 119:113, “I have hated doubting thoughts, But I have loved Your Torah.”


Psalm119:119, "You have made to cease All the wrong of the earth, like dross; Therefore I have loved Your witnesses."

Psalm 119:9-16, “How would a young man cleanse his path? To guard it according to Your word. I have sought You with all my heart; Let me not stray from Your commands! I have treasured up Your word in my heart, That I might not sin against You. Blessed are You, O יהוה! Teach me Your laws. With my lips I have recounted All the right-rulings of Your mouth. I have rejoiced in the way of Your witnesses, As over all riches. I meditate on Your orders, And regard Your ways. I delight myself in Your laws; I do not forget Your word.”

John 4:24, “Yah is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship in spirit and truth.”

Psalm 119:11, “I have treasured up Your word in my heart, That I might not sin against You.”

Psalm 119:160, “The sum of Your word is truth, And all Your righteous right-rulings are forever.”

John /Yahanan 17:17, “Set them apart in Your truth – Your Word is truth.”

Ephesians 6:17, “Take also the helmet of deliverance, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of Yah.”

Acts 5:32, "“And we are His witnesses to these matters, and so also is the Set-apart Spirit whom Yah has given to those who obey Him.”

1 John 3:24, "And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”

Hebrews 4:12-13, “For the Word of Yah is living, and working, and sharper than any two-edged sword, cutting through even to the dividing of being and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all are naked and laid bare before the eyes of Him with whom is our account.”

John/Yahanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

1 Peter 1:25, “but the Word of Yah remains forever.” And this is the Word, announced as Good News to you."


Isaiah 34:16, “Search from the book of יהוה, and read: not one of these shall be missing, not one shall be without a mate, for He has commanded my mouth. And His Spirit shall gather them.”



 

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Psalm 19:7-11, “The Torah of יהוה is perfect, bringing back the being; The witness of יהוה is trustworthy, making wise the simple; The orders of יהוה are straight, rejoicing the heart; The command of יהוה is clear, enlightening the eyes; The fear of יהוה is clean, standing forever; The right-rulings of יהוה are true, They are righteous altogether, More desirable than gold, Than much fine gold; And sweeter than honey and the honeycomb. Also, Your servant is warned by them, In guarding them there is great reward.”
 

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Deuteronomy 12:8, “Do not do as we are doing here today – each one doing whatever is right in his own eyes.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]

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Perhaps if you were to make a distinction between the eternal Living Word of God (Jesus Christ) and the divinely inspired Scriptures as the revealed written Word of God, you would be on a more sure footing.
 

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i can reasonably assure you that this will bring Scripture to life, if you are able to stop worshipping It, or even considering It "holy," which you also cannot quote.
"the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures"
R 1:2

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I agree that Scriptures are not to be worshipped, they are only a message. But they are clearly holy.
 
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...far from being some death toll for Scripture though, i can reasonably assure you that this will bring Scripture to life, if you are able to stop worshipping It, or even considering It "holy," which you also cannot quote.
1. Well let's start with your erroneous belief that the Scripture is not called "the holy Scriptures".

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. (2 Tim 3:15).

So this is the first error that you have to get rid of.

2. Next let's go to your erroneous belief that the Bible is NOT the Word of God:

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the Word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the Word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the Word which by the gospel is preached unto you. (1 Pet 1:23-25). [I have purposely capitalized Word, since that is how it should appear].

Since Peter is calling the Gospel "the Word of God" it should be clear that since the Gospel (and the Gospels) are in the Bible, that he is referring to the written Word of God.

So this is the second error that you have to get rid of.

In the beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible

3. And this is your third error which you should get rid of. Just because Jesus is called "the Word" does NOT cancel the fact that the Bible is also the Word of God. And it is Jesus -- the Word of God -- who said this, so that you will not make such mistakes again:
It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. (Mt 4:4).
 
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This may have already come out here, i'm not too good at nav here yet. Rather than try and prove a negative, we might just discuss any..."proof" you may think you have. Feel free to consult with your pastor first; but don't be surprised when he doesn't bat an eye, ok.

Scripture is beneficial for...all the stuff It says that It is
Scripture is God~Breathed
etc

but Scripture is Law, not truth, and even refers to Itself that way; and we even have a Book of Truth mentioned in Scripture, that we cannot consult.

there are various reasons Word is occluded, we can get into that also i guess.
you can also reflect upon what "i give you my word" infers IRL; word requires breath,
and if you were to tell someone that i had given you my word that the Bible is not the Word,
meaning to refer to this post, you would of course have to qualify it with that explanation,
as my roommate or gf might just be posting for me, etc.

far from being some death toll for Scripture though, i can reasonably assure you that this will bring Scripture to life, if you are able to stop worshipping It, or even considering It "holy," which you also cannot quote.

In the beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God."
You really don't know what you are talking about, do you.
 
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Perhaps if you were to make a distinction between the eternal Living Word of God (Jesus Christ) and the divinely inspired Scriptures as the revealed written Word of God, you would be on a more sure footing.
Well said :) those that have no faith cannot know God or please God.

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

and again...........

Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seems to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He takes the wise in their own craftiness. And again, The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

Warning to the writer of the OP you will not find God in the teachings of men and the wise of this world who do not know God. Just as you cannot see the wind you will not see God because spiritual things are spiritually discerned.
 
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Mat 4:4, “But He answering, said, “It has been written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of יהוה.” (Deut 8:3)
amen, His mouth, right to your ear. Rather than review all of these, i would ask which one connects Bible and Word? And suggest that Deut 30 is your best shot, from past experience.
2 Timothy 2:16-17, “Do your utmost to present yourself approved to Yah, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly handling the Word of Truth. All Scripture is breathed out by Yah and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for setting straight, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of Yah might be fitted, equipped for every righteous work.”

Psalm 119:9, “How would a young man cleanse his path? To guard it according to Your word.”

Psalm 119:11, “I have stored up your word in my heart, that I might not sin against you.”

Deuteronomy 30:11-13, “For this Law which I command you this day is not hidden from you, nor is it beyond your reach. It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask; Who will ascend up into heaven for us, and bring it to us, so that we may hear it and then do it? Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask; Who will cross the sea, and bring it to us, so that we may hear it and then do it?”
there are vv that even more closely might seem to conflate the two, and imo your v here is just reinforcing my prop of Bible as "Law" wadr
Deuteronomy 6:5-9, “And you shall love יהוה your Strength with all your heart, and with all your being, and with all your might. And these Words which I am commanding you today shall be in your heart, and you shall impress them upon your children, and shall speak of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise up, and shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes. And you shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.”

Romans 3:1-2, “What then is the advantage of the Yehuḏi, or what is the value of the circumcision? Much in every way! Because firstly indeed, that they were entrusted with the Words of Yah.”

Romans 2:17-21, “See, you are called a Yehuḏi, and rest on the Torah, and make your boast in Yah, and know the desire of Yah, and approve what is superior, being instructed out of the Torah, and are trusting that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, an instructor of foolish ones, a teacher of babes, having the form of knowledge and of the truth in the Torah. You, then, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who proclaim that a man should not steal, do you steal?”

1 Thessalonians 5:21, "but test everything; hold fast what is righteous."

Psa
lm 119:113, “I have hated doubting thoughts, But I have loved Your Torah.”


Psalm119:119, "You have made to cease All the wrong of the earth, like dross; Therefore I have loved Your witnesses."

Psalm 119:9-16, “How would a young man cleanse his path? To guard it according to Your word. I have sought You with all my heart; Let me not stray from Your commands! I have treasured up Your word in my heart, That I might not sin against You. Blessed are You, O יהוה! Teach me Your laws. With my lips I have recounted All the right-rulings of Your mouth. I have rejoiced in the way of Your witnesses, As over all riches. I meditate on Your orders, And regard Your ways. I delight myself in Your laws; I do not forget Your word.”

John 4:24, “Yah is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship in spirit and truth.”

Psalm 119:11, “I have treasured up Your word in my heart, That I might not sin against You.”

Psalm 119:160, “The sum of Your word is truth, And all Your righteous right-rulings are forever.”

John /Yahanan 17:17, “Set them apart in Your truth – Your Word is truth.”

Ephesians 6:17, “Take also the helmet of deliverance, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of Yah.”

Acts 5:32, "“And we are His witnesses to these matters, and so also is the Set-apart Spirit whom Yah has given to those who obey Him.”

1 John 3:24, "And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”

Hebrews 4:12-13, “For the Word of Yah is living, and working, and sharper than any two-edged sword, cutting through even to the dividing of being and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all are naked and laid bare before the eyes of Him with whom is our account.”

John/Yahanan 6:63, "It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting."

1 Peter 1:25, “but the Word of Yah remains forever.” And this is the Word, announced as Good News to you."


Isaiah 34:16, “Search from the book of יהוה, and read: not one of these shall be missing, not one shall be without a mate, for He has commanded my mouth. And His Spirit shall gather them.”



“Search from the book," why not "search from the Word" then? i am not denying that the Bible is God~Breathed, understand, but that it is subject to context, and scribes, and various other degradations, which Word is not subject to
 
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amen, His mouth, right to your ear. Rather than review all of these, i would ask which one connects Bible and Word? And suggest that Deut 30 is your best shot, from past experience.
there are vv that even more closely might seem to conflate the two, and imo your v here is just reinforcing my prop of Bible as "Law" wadr
“Search from the book," why not "search from the Word" then? i am not denying that the Bible is God~Breathed, understand, but that it is subject to context, and scribes, and various other degradations, which Word is not subject to
Someone has blown your pilot light out.
 
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If its not truth, why read it? You're off your onion, pal.
if It is truth, then why isn't It the "Book of Truth?" And i would counsel reading It for all of the reasons that It states; worshipping It is a different matter imo
 
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Deuteronomy 12:8, “Do not do as we are doing here today – each one doing whatever is right in his own eyes.”


John/Yahanan 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."


John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."


i don't disagree with any of these, but see that they do not connect Bible (which is "Book" in the Bible, or Law, or even Scripture, but never Word) with Word?

why can't you easily go right to a v that plainly connects the two, ask yourself
 
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see that the Book is God~Breathed, but i can easily read "Easter" where "Passover" is supposed to be, and etc.
 
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Had it been your book you could have named it as such
if It is truth, then why isn't It the "Book of Truth?" And i would counsel reading It for all of the reasons that It states; worshipping It is a different matter imo
 
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if It is truth, then why isn't It the "Book of Truth?" And i would counsel reading It for all of the reasons that It states; worshipping It is a different matter imo
It is truth, there's no if to it. If its God-breathed, and it is, then it is truth.

Too many have hazarded their lives, and even died, trying to get the word of God into ppl's hands, for me to idly set by and let you post your garbage unchallenged.
 
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The original writers were obedient and wrote what they given.

Through the ages not so much.

Come on now let's pick a better argument
see that the Book is God~Breathed, but i can easily read "Easter" where "Passover" is supposed to be, and etc.
 
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Perhaps if you were to make a distinction between the eternal Living Word of God (Jesus Christ) and the divinely inspired Scriptures as the revealed written Word of God, you would be on a more sure footing.
why can't you just quote the v connecting the two then? I submit that it is because Word cannot be written down and remain Word, it becomes words, even if they might pass the test to be considered Rhema, and even then if you lack context or cultural understanding, Rhema can be misconstrued, whereas this is not possible with Word. Word requires breath. Words can be translated, interpreted, etc



, or why is "Easter" in your Bible? or some Bibles, anyway. Why would

In the beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God

be incorrect, in that case?
 
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