Pope Amends Bible, Art. LORD's prayer

[Zmouth]

Pope Francis isn't pleased with the words to the Lord's Prayer — specifically, the part about temptation.

In an interview with an Italian TV network, the pontiff said that the current language of the Our Father prayer "is not a good translation."

"[T]he first Sunday of Advent," the church wrote, "a new translation of the Our Father will come into force in all forms of liturgy. The Catholic faithful will no longer say: 'Do not submit to temptation' but 'Do not let us enter into temptation.' " Source

Personally, when I heard the part about 'Lead me not into temptation', since I wouldn't follow any other God than the one true God and neither do I follow Jesus which I hope doesn't offend any of you who do. But if it does I was told to give you a message. See John 21:22-23

 

[Locutus]

AMENd.............

 

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So in regard to catholic beliefs that their popes are an unbroken line of infallible authorities on all things to do with the faith...

Who is infallibly correct on this issue of the wording of the said prayer..

The current infallible pope who declares the prayer to be faulty....

or

The former infallible popes who declared the prayer to be the Lord Prayer and thus perfect....

If all popes where and are infallible then how can you have one pope opposed to the teachings of another pope....

 

[Zmouth]

Ecclesiastes 9:5

 

[Zmouth]

So in regard to catholic beliefs that their popes are an unbroken line of infallible authorities on all things to do with the faith...

Who is infallibly correct on this issue of the wording of the said prayer..

The current infallible pope who declares the prayer to be faulty....

or

The former infallible popes who declared the prayer to be the Lord Prayer and thus perfect....

If all popes where and are infallible then how can you have one pope opposed to the teachings of another pope....

Interesting question, yet is the Pope really questioning the Word or merely our perception of the Word?

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Rom 12:2

 

[ColoradoGal]

So in regard to catholic beliefs that their popes are an unbroken line of infallible authorities on all things to do with the faith...

Faith and morals, but not all comments are infallible, as popes are human. Specifically what's binding is generally stuff from the Magisterium to my understanding.

 

[Jackson123]

So in regard to catholic beliefs that their popes are an unbroken line of infallible authorities on all things to do with the faith...

Who is infallibly correct on this issue of the wording of the said prayer..

The current infallible pope who declares the prayer to be faulty....

or

The former infallible popes who declared the prayer to be the Lord Prayer and thus perfect....

If all popes where and are infallible then how can you have one pope opposed to the teachings of another pope....

every pope infallible and there is change in doctrine, It is enough prove that this Lie.

If we love catholic, we have to make them aware that they are victim of lucifer religion, unfortunatelly, they think we hate them.

And If we Lie to them, (say catholic is Christian) they think we love them.

To say catholic is Christian is hatred, It lead them to astray/hell.

 

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Oh and God and Jesus are One.. So if one follows God they also follow Jesus.. Of the do not follow jesus then they are not following God..

 

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every pope infallible and there is change in doctrine, It is enough prove that this Lie.

If we love catholic, we have to make them aware that they are victim of lucifer religion, unfortunatelly, they think we hate them.

And If we Lie to them, (say catholic is Christian) they think we love them.

To say catholic is Christian is hatred, It lead them to astray/hell.

I agree..

As an old saying goes.. Better to recieve the slap of a friend then the kiss of an enemy...

 

[joefizz]

Pope Francis isn't pleased with the words to the Lord's Prayer — specifically, the part about temptation.

In an interview with an Italian TV network, the pontiff said that the current language of the Our Father prayer "is not a good translation."

"[T]he first Sunday of Advent," the church wrote, "a new translation of the Our Father will come into force in all forms of liturgy. The Catholic faithful will no longer say: 'Do not submit to temptation' but 'Do not let us enter into temptation.' " Source

Personally, when I heard the part about 'Lead me not into temptation', since I wouldn't follow any other God than the one true God and neither do I follow Jesus which I hope doesn't offend any of you who do. But if it does I was told to give you a message. See John 21:22-23

Pretty silly really considering that God did once tempt abraham,granted God doesn't lead anyone into temptation but it's not like he can't tempt someone it's just that the devil does so more,so "changing" God's word to "sound better" is ridiculous but hey if they want the "plagues" attached to doing so then that's their choice I suppose,The book of Revelation is "clear" on that fact,if that matters to them.

 

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Faith and morals, but not all comments are infallible, as popes are human. Specifically what's binding is generally stuff from the Magisterium to my understanding.

Well this seems to be an offical change being put into effect.. I quote::

""" The first Sunday of Advent," the church wrote, "a new translation of the Our Father will come into force in all forms of liturgy. The Catholic faithful will no longer say: 'Do not submit to temptation' but 'Do not let us enter into temptation.' Source"

So if it is official then it is from the """ Magisterium """ Or can the pope add to and take away from the Bible, the Word of God,, without the need of the agreement of this """ Magisterium """ you talk off ?

 

[Zmouth]

Oh and God and Jesus are One.. So if one follows God they also follow Jesus.. Of the do not follow jesus then they are not following God..

Well, if you follow Jesus then you should know where he is right? (Sorry I was led to ask that question)

Don't worry I am not going to ask you where Jesus is because deep inside you, you already know that you can't answer that question.

 

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Interesting question, yet is the Pope really questioning the Word or merely our perception of the Word?

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Rom 12:2

If the new pope and the former popes where all infallable then the former pope should have made the prayer alteration generations ago..Actually the former popes would never have approved a faulty false interpretation of the prayer in the first place.. It is clear that the former pope /popes had no problem with the wording of the prayer before.. If they where all infallible then should they not have identified the problem? Because they attended mass near on every day of their lives hearing the Lords Prayer said in the former way..

 

[posthuman]

When Jesus went to the wilderness, after He was baptized, did He know Satan would there test Him?
Wad it the will of God that this be done, or an unfortunate slip of His omnipotent authority over all things?

We could ask the same about Job.

Asking because it seems from the article linked in OP that Francis came to this decision by interpretation, not scholarship.

 

[posthuman]

More edifying IMO to discuss the rationale and the text in question than to make this just one more pope-bashing thread to add to CC's enormous mound of those...

 

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Well, if you follow Jesus then you should know where he is right? (Sorry I was led to ask that question)

Don't worry I am not going to ask you where Jesus is because deep inside you, you already know that you can't answer that question.

Jesus body is in heaven seated at the right hand of the Father.. But Jesus is everywhere in Spirit.. He said He would be with Christians till the end of the age.. Jesus can be with us all till the end of the age because he is God..

 

[Zmouth]

Pretty silly really considering that God did once tempt abraham,granted God doesn't lead anyone into temptation but it's not like he can't tempt someone it's just that the devil does so more,so "changing" God's word to "sound better" is ridiculous but hey if they want the "plagues" attached to doing so then that's their choice I suppose,The book of Revelation is "clear" on that fact,if that matters to them.

How can the LORD tempt someone he doesn't even know? Matt 7:23

Saying God tempted Abraham because you read it in the Bible would be like saying you don't believe what you read in the Bible since it is written that it is not what goes in a man that defiles him but what comes forth from man that defiles him. So do you consider that the following is true?

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: James 1:13

It is written in John 3:11 that Jesus said, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen;" So if God didn't tell you he tempted Abraham then you must have some knowledge from your experience that would lead you to believe God tempted Abraham. Care to give your testimony?

From where I sit I can't say I have any knowledge of anything that would tempt me

 

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As for the scriptures in question::

Matthew 6: KJV
13 "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen."


God has sent delusion upon people and will send delusions upon people..

2 Thessalonians 2: KJV
{8} And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: {9} Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, {10} And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. {11} And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: {12} That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."


So we see God ensuring that those who reject His truth are going to believe the lying signs and wonders of satan by sending them strong delusion so that they will believe the lying signs and wonders.. God sometimes has justified reason to lead people into temptation..

 

[Zmouth]

Jesus body is in heaven seated at the right hand of the Father..

It is not that I don't believe you, because I do.

And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: Mark 13:21

But Jesus is everywhere in Spirit.. He said He would be with Christians till the end of the age.. Jesus can be with us all till the end of the age because he is God..

So you saying that the word exists in the sound of silence?

 

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So you saying that the word exists in the sound of silence?

Well i like the song from the old simon and garfunkle guys.. But the lyrics are not scripture and the ""sound of Silence"" He is singing about / talking to could well be another spirit.. Not the Holy Spirit of God.. But yeah the writer of that song could well have been inspired by an encounter with the Holy Spirit during the night..

I know i do most of my talking with God in my bed at night, about people who talk without speaking and people hearing without listening.. About a lot of things the song mentions..