Five husbands = no husband?

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Amen, Amen
You certainly have looked beyond the surface.


A lesson I learned from Samson about his father in law is that he( the father in law)
Had no honor.
And the Samaritan(fox) of Assyria was the reward for his house.
I wonder if anyone took notice at how many times a Spirit of the Lord rested upon samson.

18And he became very thirsty and called to the Lord and said, "You have given through the hand of Your servant this great deliverance; and now shall I die of thirst and fall into the hands of the uncircumcised?"

And God cleaved the socket which was in the jawbone, and water came out of it, and he drank, and his spirit returned and he revived; therefore he called its name En-hakkore, which is in Lehi until this day.
 

Nehemiah6

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But how is it true that she has no husband? Jewish morals were full of divorces, but Christ said "no, its wrong, because it was not so in the beginning (before Moses)".
The man she was with was not her husband legally. They were simply living together, and perhaps that is what she had been doing all along, hence six "husbands" (paramours) in a short lifetime. Just a series of affairs. The concept of "common law" is modern, but that is what it could be called.
 

BillG

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I wonder if anyone took notice at how many times a Spirit of the Lord rested upon samson.

18And he became very thirsty and called to the Lord and said, "You have given through the hand of Your servant this great deliverance; and now shall I die of thirst and fall into the hands of the uncircumcised?"

And God cleaved the socket which was in the jawbone, and water came out of it, and he drank, and his spirit returned and he revived; therefore he called its name En-hakkore, which is in Lehi until this day.
Wow.......
 

Dino246

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5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

If someone is married and goes and marries another(having sex with another), commits adultery. This woman was caught in five different cases of adultery.
I don't believe that the verses you quoted support your position, and I am certain that your closing sentence is inconsistent with Scripture. Jesus said, "You have had five husbands." He did not say, "You were caught in adultery five times." I think Jesus said precisely what He meant to say.

In other words, you're speculating and engaging in eisegesis. Speculation by itself is not wrong, but don't claim or imply that your speculation is solid defensible interpretation.
 

Billyd

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She was joined to a non believer. He chose to leave her, thus freeing her to take another husband. After the fifth, she just decided to move in the last man.
 

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It does not say if she was widowed 5 times or divorced. The guy she was currently shaking up with was definitely not her husband. I would surmise that she was not in a position to read any scripture, in fact, probably couldn't read in the first place. Guys were always divorcing their wives for the most spurious reasons. I would not hold this against her. Perhaps she hooked up with this guy for economic survival. Same thing happens today in the world we live. It's really no big deal. We all have had a sinful life so we are no better than she was, perhaps even worse. She did recognize the Messiah though, not many did back then or even now for that matter.
 

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5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

If someone is married and goes and marries another(having sex with another), commits adultery. This woman was caught in five different cases of adultery.
I guess that a lot of us are in trouble.
 

OneFaith

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The one she’s with now is not her husband- that means fornication. And since she clearly knows the difference between marriage and fornication, she was most likely unfaithful in marriage five times.
 

Dino246

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The one she’s with now is not her husband- that means fornication. And since she clearly knows the difference between marriage and fornication, she was most likely unfaithful in marriage five times.
Wow... let's take a giant leap of judgmental speculation! After all, anyone who commits any sin must be guilty of doing something worse!

Um, whatever happened to grace?
 
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Wow... let's take a giant leap of judgmental speculation! After all, anyone who commits any sin must be guilty of doing something worse!

Um, whatever happened to grace?
Your right
What of value does a person who has met the Lord at the well hold dear to heart.

En-hakkore, which is in Lehi(Beth-shemesh) meaning "the spring of him that called"
And the wise of the east heard.
 

trofimus

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#33
The man she was with was not her husband legally. They were simply living together, and perhaps that is what she had been doing all along, hence six "husbands" (paramours) in a short lifetime. Just a series of affairs. The concept of "common law" is modern, but that is what it could be called.
Could be.. in such a case it should be translater rather as "you had 5 men and the one you have right now is not your husband".

But still, something does not seem to fit, to me, in the text.
 

trofimus

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The one she’s with now is not her husband- that means fornication. And since she clearly knows the difference between marriage and fornication, she was most likely unfaithful in marriage five times.
So she lost the marriage status 5 times because of her affairs?

Yes... possibly...
 

trofimus

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It does not say if she was widowed 5 times or divorced. The guy she was currently shaking up with was definitely not her husband. I would surmise that she was not in a position to read any scripture, in fact, probably couldn't read in the first place. Guys were always divorcing their wives for the most spurious reasons. I would not hold this against her. Perhaps she hooked up with this guy for economic survival. Same thing happens today in the world we live. It's really no big deal. We all have had a sinful life so we are no better than she was, perhaps even worse. She did recognize the Messiah though, not many did back then or even now for that matter.
The text seems to indicate that she was guilty with all that somehow... but maybe its just my perception.... ("He told me everything I have done...")
 

trofimus

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Or her husbands' affairs.
I do not think women could divorce men in those times. Could they?

Also her morals do not seem to be very good, being with some men who was not her husband.
 

Magenta

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I do not think women could divorce men in those times. Could they?
I find it interesting how quick everyone is to blame her.

If her husbands divorced her, she would be made an adulterer to marry again. (Matt5:32)

According to Scripture, women could divorce.


Matthew 19:9 "I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

Mark 10:11 "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her."

Mark 10:12 "And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery."

Luke 16:18 "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery."
 
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The woman was a Samaritan and not a Jew and not under the Mosaic Law. How did Samaritans deal with marriage,? we do not know.
 

BillG

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