Which event do I place and maintain my faith in - #1 or #2 or both?
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i did the leg-work for us.
link 1 is a theatrical reproduction of the crucifixion.
link 2 is a theatrical reproduction of the resurrection, ascension, and of pentecost.
so OP is giving choice between two sets of events:
A: {the cross}
B: {the resurrection, the ascension, the giving of the Holy Spirit}
given that the gospel is more than what events are contained in either of these sets alone, i think we're being given a binary choice between parts of an whole, the sum of which is greater than the union of the presented sets, and that Depleted has answered the question pretty definitively.
link 1 is a theatrical reproduction of the crucifixion.
link 2 is a theatrical reproduction of the resurrection, ascension, and of pentecost.
so OP is giving choice between two sets of events:
A: {the cross}
B: {the resurrection, the ascension, the giving of the Holy Spirit}
given that the gospel is more than what events are contained in either of these sets alone, i think we're being given a binary choice between parts of an whole, the sum of which is greater than the union of the presented sets, and that Depleted has answered the question pretty definitively.
The victory comes by faith, but it comes only by FAITH anchored squarely in Christ and the Cross, i.e., The Blood of Jesus, i.e., The Finished Work. If anything else is made the object of faith, that's when the victory stops, and stops instantly (Gal. 5:4)! The Holy Spirit will work in our hearts and lives, Who Alone can bring about these things, strictly on the basis of the Finished Work of Christ (Rom. 8:2). In other words, the Cross of Christ is what gives the Holy Spirit the legal right to do what He does.
Therefore, to be an overcomer, one has to place his faith solely in Christ and the Cross. When one does this, one is instantly judged by the Lord as an "overcomer" (Rom. 6:1-14; 8:1-2, 11; 1 Cor. 1:17-18, 23; 2:2; Gal. 6:14). This is not something that one works towards, or gradually comes into, but is a place and position we have solely in Christ. He Alone is the Source, and the Cross is the means.
Our Faith must be in event #1 only!
JSM
Therefore, to be an overcomer, one has to place his faith solely in Christ and the Cross. When one does this, one is instantly judged by the Lord as an "overcomer" (Rom. 6:1-14; 8:1-2, 11; 1 Cor. 1:17-18, 23; 2:2; Gal. 6:14). This is not something that one works towards, or gradually comes into, but is a place and position we have solely in Christ. He Alone is the Source, and the Cross is the means.
Our Faith must be in event #1 only!
JSM
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Nope. Again. Faith doesn't save. A cross doesn't save. Blood doesn't save. Events don't save. And we do not overcome from within ourselves.
Salvation is through Christ. Literally through him in all ways. Your Rube Goldberging the gospel.
Salvation is through Christ. Literally through him in all ways. Your Rube Goldberging the gospel.
Event #1 being the crucifixion of Christ. But that is NOT the whole Gospel, and if you fail to included the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ within the Gospel, then you are presenting another gospel -- not the true Gospel (1 Cor 15:1-3).
Without the resurrection of Christ and the LIVING SAVIOR the finished work of Christ could not be applied to our souls. As Scripture says (Rom 4:25): Who was delivered for our offences [CRUCIFIXION], and was raised again for our justification [RESURRECTION].
Without the resurrection of Christ and the LIVING SAVIOR the finished work of Christ could not be applied to our souls. As Scripture says (Rom 4:25): Who was delivered for our offences [CRUCIFIXION], and was raised again for our justification [RESURRECTION].
when we were 'delivered', (82') accompanied by 'signs and wonders', is and always will be,
number ONE!!!
caffeine, sugar, drug-free', it was the first and only REAL thing that we could
actually see happening right before our eyes to the both of us that we were made aware of...
Jesus is REAL -
Great Peace have they that Love Thy Law, and nothing shall offend them'...
number ONE!!!
caffeine, sugar, drug-free', it was the first and only REAL thing that we could
actually see happening right before our eyes to the both of us that we were made aware of...
Jesus is REAL -
Great Peace have they that Love Thy Law, and nothing shall offend them'...
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Is redemption centered up in the Cross of Christ or the Resurrection of Christ?
Answer:
Redemption is centered up totally in the Cross of Christ. While everything else after the Cross, the Resurrection, Ascension, and Exaltation of Christ, played a tremendous part, and continues to play a tremendous part, the truth is, all of this is made possible, the Resurrection, Ascension and Exaltation of Christ, because of the Cross.
Victory = The Cross of Christ, i.e., The Blood of Jesus, i.e., The Finished Work
Pastor Jimmy Swaggart
Answer:
Redemption is centered up totally in the Cross of Christ. While everything else after the Cross, the Resurrection, Ascension, and Exaltation of Christ, played a tremendous part, and continues to play a tremendous part, the truth is, all of this is made possible, the Resurrection, Ascension and Exaltation of Christ, because of the Cross.
Victory = The Cross of Christ, i.e., The Blood of Jesus, i.e., The Finished Work
Pastor Jimmy Swaggart
not to put words in sis's mouth, but . .
it is easy - and common - to put faith in things that are faithless. that cannot save.
so faith itself doesn't save, but faith in the Faithful One, who is able and willing.
it is He who saves
what good is faith if it's not in the the LORD and Him only?
which is the reason it is 'a trustworthy saying' that 'when we are faithless, He is faithful' (re: 2 Timothy 2:11-13)): my faith is in Christ Jesus; in His faithfulness. Jesus the Christ is who saves, and nothing else, no one else does.
Do not put your trust in princes, in mortal man, who cannot save.
(Psalm 146:3)
(Psalm 146:3)
it is easy - and common - to put faith in things that are faithless. that cannot save.
so faith itself doesn't save, but faith in the Faithful One, who is able and willing.
it is He who saves
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.
(Acts 4:12)
(Acts 4:12)
what good is faith if it's not in the the LORD and Him only?
For I am the LORD your God, who upholds your right hand,
Who says to you, 'Do not fear, I will help you'
(Isaiah 41:13)
Who says to you, 'Do not fear, I will help you'
(Isaiah 41:13)
which is the reason it is 'a trustworthy saying' that 'when we are faithless, He is faithful' (re: 2 Timothy 2:11-13)): my faith is in Christ Jesus; in His faithfulness. Jesus the Christ is who saves, and nothing else, no one else does.