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    Although Gentiles aren't contracted with God to comply with the covenant
    that Yhvh's people agreed upon with Him as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers,
    and Deuteronomy; it's useful for revealing God's feelings about certain kinds
    of behavior; for example:

    Lev 19:11 . . You shall not deal falsely, nor lie to one another.

    Once a Gentile is made aware that their maker disapproves of dishonesty,
    henceforth they get in hot water every time they're less than truthful
    because God is lenient with uninformed liars but has little patience with
    scofflaws.

    Num 15:30-31 . .The person, be he citizen or stranger, who acts defiantly
    reviles the Lord; that person shall be cut off from among his people.
    Because he has spurned the word of the Lord and violated His
    commandment, that person shall be cut off-- he bears his guilt.

    So; what might "cut off" amount to? Well; for one: no liar will be allowed
    entrance to the holy city.

    Rev 21:27 . . No one who practices lying shall ever come into it

    Rev 22:14-15 . . Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they
    may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into
    the city. But outside are whoever loves and practices a lie.

    The law's task then; is to instill fear in dishonesty, and make liars aware that
    if they opt to take their chances, and stand before God to be judged on their
    own merits; that they haven't the slightest, slimmest possibility of coming
    away unscathed. It's a 110% forgone conclusion that they will come away
    dead.

    Rev 21:8 . . All liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire
    and brimstone, which is the second death.

    I am willing to bet that nobody can get through the day without dishonesty--
    we need dishonesty, we have to have dishonesty or interactions with our
    friends, with strangers, with associates, with superiors and loved ones would
    be very strained indeed. It is just humanly impossible to be honest all the
    time. I would even go so far as to say that in the world in which we live; it's
    not smart to be 110% honest all the time; viz: "Honesty is the best policy"
    just isn't true; not in the world we live in anyway; which is a bit of a catch
    22.

    Q: Why does everyone find it so easy to lie?

    A: Because human beings are natural-born liars.

    Ps 58:3 . . The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak lies
    go astray from birth.

    That's an interesting statement. It's saying-- in so many words --that
    although infants are too young to lie; they are born with a proclivity to lie;
    i.e. a natural predilection, and that's what makes them wicked because that
    inborn inclination to lie is in them and will eventually have its way with
    them.

    Q: How are people supposed to obey that commandment seeing as how
    we're all natural-born liars?

    A: Nobody can, it's impossible.

    Jer 13:23 . . Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots?
    Then you also can do good who are accustomed to doing evil.

    Well; the Schoolmaster's goal is not only to frighten liars and make them
    nervous; but also to show them the God-given way out of their predicament.

    On the night Jesus was born, a heavenly messenger made the following
    announcement:

    Luke 2:10 . . Don't be afraid. I bring you good news of great joy that will
    be for all the people.

    The cross' first and foremost purpose was to satisfy justice for all kinds of
    sin, including dishonesty. That right there should make liars breathe a little
    easier in respect to the sum of all fears.

    1John 2:2 . . He himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours
    only, but also for those of the whole world.

    Isa 53:6 . . All of us like sheep have gone astray, each of us has turned to
    his own way; but the Lord has caused the iniquity of us all to fall on him.

    FYI: The June 2017 issue of National Geographic magazine contains a very
    interesting article titled: Why We Lie. There's actually been studies done
    about this.

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    John/Yahanan 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."


    Mat 15:24, “And He answering, said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Yisra’yl.”


    Isaiah 45:22-25, “Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am Mighty, and there is none else. I have sworn by Myself, a word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, so that to Me every knee shall bow, every tongue swear. One shall say, ‘Only in יהוה do I have righteousness and strength’ – he comes to Him. And all those displeased with Him shall be put to shame. In יהוה all the seed of Yisra’yl shall be declared right and glory.”


    Jeremiah 31:33, “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Yisra’yl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people.”


    Genesis 12:1-3, “And יהוה said to Aḇram, “Go yourself out of your land, from your relatives and from your father’s house, to a land which I show you. And I shall make you a great nation, and bless you and make your name great, and you shall be a blessing! And I shall bless those who bless you, and curse him who curses you. And in you all the clans of the earth shall be blessed.”


    Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."


    Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Aḇraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.


    Exodus 2:23-25, “And it came to be after these many days that the sovereign of Mitsrayim died. And the children of Yisra’yl groaned because of the slavery, and they cried out. And their cry came up to the Mighty One because of the slavery. And the Mighty One heard their groaning, and the Mighty One remembered His covenant with Aḇraham, with Yitsḥaq, and with Ya‛aqoḇ. And the Mighty One looked on the children of Yisra’yl, and the Mighty One knew!”


    Galatians 3:27-29, “For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is not Yehuḏi nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah יהושע. And if you are of Messiah, then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise.”


    Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast withHim. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky.”
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    Mt5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

    Rev21:1-2, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

    Rom3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

    Rom3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"


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    It's Christmas, not "Xmas"...


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    The law's task then; is to instill fear in dishonesty, and make liars aware that
    if they opt to take their chances, and stand before God to be judged on their
    own merits; that they haven't the slightest, slimmest possibility of coming
    away unscathed. It's a 110% forgone conclusion that they will come away
    dead.

    I must disagree, the law's task is clearly spelled out in the Word...

    Galatians 3:23-25
    23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
    25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
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    Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we
    might be justified by faith.
    The koiné Greek word translated "justified" is dikaioo (dik-ah-yo'-o) which
    essentially means to regard as innocent.

    In order for God to grant dishonesty a grade of innocence, He can't merely
    forgive it the way that former US President Gerald Ford pardoned former US
    President Richard Nixon back in 1974 relative to the Watergate scandal.
    Ford's pardon in no way exonerated Nixon, it only let him off the hook.
    Though the pardon protected Nixon from impeachment; his crimes didn't go
    away. In other words: Mr. Nixon will always and forever be a crook.

    So how does God exonerate dishonesty when there is evidence enough to
    indict, go to trial, and where a verdict of guilty would be a foregone
    conclusion?

    Well, according to the Bible, Christ was restored to life for our justification
    (Rom 4:25). In other words; though Christ's crucifixion was sufficient to
    obtain pardon for dishonesty (1John 2:2); his crucifixion alone wasn't
    sufficient to make it possible for people to obtain an acquittal.

    1Cor 15:17 . . If Christ has not been raised, your faith is vain; you are still
    in your sins.

    An acquittal can be defined as exoneration; viz: an adjudication of
    innocence, which is normally granted when there is insufficient evidence to
    convict. In other words: by means of Christ's resurrection, God was able to
    cook the books so that it appears that liars have never done anything bad.
    On the surface; this looks very unethical, but from the divine perspective it's
    all on the up and up.

    It's not too difficult to appreciate just how serious this is relative to the
    outside world. If they can be persuaded that Jesus' resurrection never
    happened; they will miss the opportunity to get their dishonesty expunged.
    A record of their dishonesty will remain on the books, hanging over their
    heads like a sword of Damocles. Out ahead, at the Great White Throne event
    depicted at Rev 20:11-15, those books will be opened for review where they
    can be, and will be, used to vet people for acceptance into the kingdom of
    God.

    Justification, on the other hand, as per the word dikaioo, completely deletes
    the offender's criminal history; i.e. dikaioo wipes their records so clean and
    efficiently that there is nothing left that can in any way be used to prove that
    dishonest people have ever been anything less than 100% innocent.

    Q: What about people's future acts of dishonesty?

    A: In the past, that was a problem. Take for example Yom Kippur, the grand
    round-up of a whole year's worth of dishonesty.

    In the letter to Hebrews; it's explained that Yom Kippur's ritual is limited;
    viz: it only addresses sins committed up to that point; i.e. the very moment
    that the high priest completes the full and complete ritual, new sins
    immediately begin to accumulate on the books requiring the attention of yet
    another Yom Kippur; and another, and another, and another, ad infinitum;
    viz: Yom Kippur's ritual is never sufficient to address sins once and for all. In
    other words: it's always and only for addressing the people's past sins;
    never their future sins.

    Now, the advantage of the kind of justification I'm talking about is that
    offenders need obtain it only once because from thence, God stops keeping
    records on them.

    2Cor 5:19 . .God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not
    counting their trespasses against them

    The word translated "counting" is logizomai (log-id'-zom ahee) which means
    to take an inventory.

    Rom 4:8 . . Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord does not record.

    NOTE: According to Gal 3:24, the acquittal I'm talking about is only
    available via faith. In other words: liars with faith obtain exoneration while
    liars lacking faith do not obtain exoneration. Non acquitted liars are on track
    for the brimstone depicted at Rev 20:11-15 where they will undergo death
    akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten iron.

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    Words - words - words -

    I just love the simplicity in Christ. I rest in His atonement, justification and mercy for me all purchased by His blood.

    Now, for those who will jump on this and tell me that this must give me an excuse to sin, how could it when I realize how much He loves me. And the sacrifice He went through to receive me unto Himself just the way that I am - imperfect and usually falling short of even what I want to be. What amazing grace!

    We should be shouting this to the world - not a bunch of laws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebersHome View Post
    Now, the advantage of the kind of justification I'm talking about is that
    offenders need obtain it only once because from thence, God stops keeping
    records on them.
    While it is true that a person can only get saved once, and that getting saved once guarantees a person's salvation, it is not true that God "stops keeping records".

    2 Cor 5:
    10) For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

    Col 3:
    24) Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.
    25) But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons.

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    2 Cor 5: 10) For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one
    may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be
    good or bad.

    Col 3: 24) Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the
    inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. 25) But he that doeth wrong shall
    receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of
    persons.
    Your passages speak of something other than the criminal records that are
    being kept on non justified liars with which to judge them at the great white
    throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15.

    According to post #5, justified liars need not fear that event. Even those
    among habitual liars need not fear it if so be that they have been justified
    via the faith spoken of in Gal 3:24. If that's not so, then the schoolmaster's
    efforts are quite futile and 2Cor 5:19 is a big fat lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joidevivre View Post
    Now, for those who will jump on this and tell me that this must give me an excuse to sin . . .
    people who say such things assume that His redemption is utterly ineffectual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebersHome View Post
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    Your passages speak of something other than the criminal records that are
    being kept on non justified liars with which to judge them at the great white
    throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15.

    According to post #5, justified liars need not fear that event. Even those
    among habitual liars need not fear it if so be that they have been justified
    via the faith spoken of in Gal 3:24. If that's not so, then the schoolmaster's
    efforts are quite futile and 2Cor 5:19 is a big fat lie.

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    Christians do not need to fear the white throne judgment because we are saved.

    But the judgment seat of Christ in 2 Cor 5:10 is not the white throne judgment.

    Every Christian will stand before Jesus Christ and be judged according to what he has done. Our works will be tried, and we will be rewarded accordingly, whether good or bad (1 Cor 3:11ff).

    It is not true that once a person is saved, God "stops keeping records". If it were true, it would be pointless to confess our sin (1 John 1:8-10), as we would just be reminding God of what, according to your view, He has no record of.

    Also, why bother trying to be obedient? If God is not keeping record, anything we do would not matter. But it matters a great deal.

    Again, I am not saying that a Christian's salvation is in doubt, because it's not. But rewards will be based on what we have done. Rewards are earned, and can be lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrume View Post
    It is not true that once a person is saved, God "stops keeping records". If it
    were true, it would be pointless to confess our sin (1 John 1:8-10)
    I came to the Lord in February of 1968. Prior to that moment, every time I
    was dishonest, the incident was added to a criminal indictment on track to
    be used against me at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15.

    That indictment no longer exists; it was nailed to the cross in February of
    1968 and God has no intention of drafting another.

    "God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their
    trespasses against them." (2Cor 5:19)

    "Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord does not record." (Rom 4:8)

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrume View Post
    Christians do not need to fear the white throne judgment because we are saved.

    But the judgment seat of Christ in 2 Cor 5:10 is not the white throne judgment.

    Every Christian will stand before Jesus Christ and be judged according to what he has done. Our works will be tried, and we will be rewarded accordingly, whether good or bad (1 Cor 3:11ff).

    It is not true that once a person is saved, God "stops keeping records". If it were true, it would be pointless to confess our sin (1 John 1:8-10), as we would just be reminding God of what, according to your view, He has no record of.

    Also, why bother trying to be obedient? If God is not keeping record, anything we do would not matter. But it matters a great deal.

    Again, I am not saying that a Christian's salvation is in doubt, because it's not. But rewards will be based on what we have done. Rewards are earned, and can be lost.


    It is pointless to confess and confess and confess over and over each day because it's not the confession that causes forgiveness but the cross. And for sure there are thousands of things we do via our mind and our actions that are sinful and we don't always remember them. Each day what we do need to do is thank the Lord for His forgiveness and the righteousness He gave us at the time of our salvation. That because of Jesus we are righteous IN God's sight.

    Our rewards and the lack of them will depend on what we did with the faith that we were given. Not if we confessed that we missed the opportunity. Our life is an opportunity to serve God and others. We are given the opportunity to live by faith and not by sight.,and blessed to be a blessing to those around us. To grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus. How we do this will determine the rewards or lack of them.

    Praise Jesus we are not judged or condemned with the world. We are now sons and daughters., heirs and joint heirs with Christ., the sheep of His pasture., Fellow priests called to the task of reconciling the world to Christ. How awesome is that?!! And we have the Holy Spirit in us to help do this. We can't lose!!
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    Charles Spurgeon

    A curious idea men have of what repentance is! Many fancy that so many tears are to be shed, and so many groans are to be heaved, and so much despair is to be endured. Whence comes this unreasonable notion? Unbelief and despair are sins, and therefore I do not see how they can be constituent elements of acceptable repentance; yet there are many who regard them as necessary parts of true Christian experience. They are in great error … To repent is to change your mind about sin, and Christ, and all the great things of God.


    Romans 5:6: “Christ died for the ungodly.” Are you ungodly? Then Christ died for you! Take your stand on that revelation and let nothing move you. If the devil should remind you that you are a sinner, smite him with his own sword: “Christ died to save sinners.”
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    I came to the Lord in February of 1968. Prior to that moment, every time I
    was dishonest, the incident was added to a criminal indictment on track to
    be used against me at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15.

    That indictment no longer exists; it was nailed to the cross in February of
    1968 and God has no intention of drafting another.

    "God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their
    trespasses against them." (2Cor 5:19)

    "Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord does not record." (Rom 4:8)

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    Amen Webershome. There is no more condemnation to those who are IN Christ Jesus. Romans 8:1-2

    Therefore, [there is] now no condemnation (no adjudging guilty of wrong) for those who are in Christ Jesus.

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    For the law of the Spirit of life [which is] in Christ Jesus [the law of our new being] has freed me from the law of sin and of death.

    Us Christians must memorize and then tell other Christians to memorize these verses about there being no more condemnation coming from God. Why? Because we are now IN Christ and have the righteousness of Christ Jesus. We no longer have to try to establish our own righteousness by our works. We have the GIFT of Jesus righteousness.

    We are no longer under the law of sin and death. Why? Because when we got saved and given HIS righteousness., we were given place to live under the law of the Spirit of life IN Christ Jesus.

    So many Christians have yet to learn of this for their daily lives. So we need to share it every day. Amen!

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    Though the pardon protected Nixon from impeachment;
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    ummm.... Nixon's resignation protected him from impeachment. You cannot impeach someone who is not holding political office. At least not in the most commonly used definition of "impeachment".
    No man is really saved unless he is in his heart obedient to Christ. C.H. Spurgeon

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    I would be very wary of WH, he is denying Jesus Christ as our Intercessor, he is denying
    that we must go to Him in humbleness confessing our weaknesses as we commit them
    as this is how we really do build and build our relationship with our Saviour, by 'over-coming'
    our human weaknesses, and walking in The Light, it's a life-long process that reaps many heavenly rewards...

    this is a very dangerous thing, to tell others that they many freely 'sin' with no consequences,
    actually, it's delusional and satanic...

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldethennew View Post
    this is a very dangerous thing, to tell others that they many freely 'sin' with
    no consequences, actually, it's delusional and satanic
    The judicial consequences for my sins, from first to last, were dealt with on
    the cross. From now on, any consequences I might deserve for my sins are
    dealt with as a family matter. In other words: I am in absolutely no danger
    of hell whatsoever regardless of the number and/or the gravity of my sins.

    John 5:24 . . I assure you; those who listen to my message, and believe in
    God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their
    sins, but they have already passed from death into life.

    On the night that Jesus was born, a celestial messenger made this
    announcement:

    Luke 2:10 . . I bring you good news of great joy

    Unless your version of the gospel guarantees a fail-safe, sin-proof, human
    nature-proof, Ten Commandments-proof, bad behavior-proof, apostasy
    proof, reprobate-proof, back-sliding proof, God-proof, Devil-proof rescue
    from the wrath of God and full time protection from retribution; then your
    version of the gospel does not announce good news of great joy, on the
    contrary, your version of the gospel announces bad news of great anxiety
    and nervous anticipation of the coming judgment; i.e. your version of the
    gospel is a false hope.

    BTW: Note the grammatical tense of the "have" verb in Jesus statement
    above. It's present tense rather than future, indicating that those who listen
    to his message, and believe in God who sent him, have eternal life right
    now-- no delay and no waiting period.

    In point of fact; according to God's testimony, as a credible expert witness in
    all matters pertaining to eternal life, people lacking it are also lacking His
    son; i.e. people lacking eternal life are quite christless.

    1John 5:11-12 . . And this is what God has testified: He has given us
    eternal life, and this life is in His son. So whoever has God's son has the life;
    whoever does not have the life, does not have His son.

    Without God's son, it is impossible to qualify as one of his sheep.

    Rom 8:9 . . If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong
    to Christ.

    We can be pretty sure that the world in general does not have the Spirit of
    Christ-- i.e. does not have eternal life --but how many Christians might
    there be in the same condition?

    Well; for starters: Roman Catholicism-- known everywhere as the largest
    single denomination in the world --currently consists of approximately 1.2
    billion followers who all, to a man, including the Pope, insist that nobody
    obtains eternal life till sometime after they die and cross over to the other
    side.

    That can mean but one thing, and one thing only: seeing as how those 1.2
    billion souls are currently lacking eternal life, then according to God's expert
    testimony they are currently without Christ; i.e. not his sheep. You can safely
    apply that rule to any, and all, denominations, religions, and/or spiritual
    ideologies insisting that eternal life cannot be obtained prior to one's demise.

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    Just a sidenote to those that say that CHRISTmas is not in December and the RCC changed it to maske a pegan holiday. You are right Jesus was not born in December, He was born id the Spring time that was the time the the shepherds took their flocks to graze in the fields of Israel. Many say that Constantine changed it to get Christians to worship on a pegan holiday, here is another slant to the reason why he changed it.

    Firs no one knows the exact day that Christ was born, so Constantine changed it because at this time is the summer solstice, here's what google says about this day.

    "the solstice that marks the onset of summer, at the time of the longest day, about June 21 in the northern hemisphere and December 22 in the southern hemisphere." With this in mind Constantine seeing that it is the darkest day of the year, which would place man in darkness for the longest time of the year, he seen it as a chance to celebrate the birth of the, "light of the world" Jesus.

    Taking the day that men are in darkness for the longest time of the year to celebrate the light of the world is an idea that should remind mankind of the birth of Jesus, why he picked the 25th over the 22nd is because he did not have the science that we have today (my understanding).

    Jesus was born in the spring and we know He for sure died in the spring at the time of the passover.
    John 6:63, 65 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life....65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

    I Corinthians 4:7 "For who sees anything different in you? What do you have that you did not receive? If then you received it, why do you boast as if you did not receive it?"

    Born in the Spirit & word, granted by the Father. EE-TEOW




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    Mark 12:30 . .You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and
    with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.

    One of the aspects of love is empathy; which can be roughly defined as
    emotional responses related to things like remorse, compassion, pity, and
    sympathy.

    So then, in order to comply with Mark 12:30, it is necessary to feel God's
    pain whenever He's upset about something.

    For some people; that's an impossible requirement because they were born
    with defective amygdalae; which are portions of the brain that trigger
    emotional responses.

    The thing is; just as there are people who can recognize humor while at the
    same time not be tickled by it, so there are people who can recognize
    suffering while at the same time not be moved by it. Those kinds of
    empathy-challenged people are often labeled callous, insensitive, and hard
    hearted. The really bad cases end up labeled monsters because the
    horrific things they are capable of doing to their fellow man is beyond
    humane comprehension.

    So then, seeing as how non compliance with Mark 12;30 is worthy of the
    sum of all fears; how are empathy-challenged people to have any hope of
    escaping it?

    Well; the answer to that is of course the Xmas story.

    Luke 2:10-11 . . I bring you good news of a great joy which shall be for all
    the people; for today in the city of David there has been born for you a
    savior

    Webster's defines a savior as one who rescues. Everyone has seen examples
    of rescuers-- lifeguards, firemen, cops, emergency medical teams, Coast
    Guard units, snow patrols, and mountain rescue teams. Rescuers typically
    get people to safety who are facing imminent death and/or grave danger
    while utterly helpless to do anything about it.

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    1John 4:10 . . In this is love: not that we loved God, but that He loved us
    and sent His son to be the propitiation for our sins.

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