Some words by Spurgeon;

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stillness

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More NONSENSE from Joseph Prince it would seem.

Why do you continue to post false teaching from false teachers? Or would you rather believe their nonsense than the Word of God.
Knee high my ya: you need your knees washed in the river, I don't know what you believe and will not find out because of the railing accusation against my sister in Christ. Joanie Marie expresses compassion in her writing; what you expressed does not. Angela your to smart for your own good agreeing with accusations.
"Let us not judge one another anymore, but judge this that no one cause another to stumble." In my view you have a narrow minded view of the truth that has to fit your interpretation. Nothing wrong with seeing dimly we all do, "Now we see dimly but then face to face." But something wrong with those who think they are right: they stop learning. "If any man thinks he knows, he doesn't know as he should." While we are to acquire understanding: the truth is not in our understanding.
"Lean not on your own understanding but trust in the Lord."
 
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It's not my intention when I post or present varied devotionals and articles by varied and different Christians to always be in agreement with every single person here on CC. Why? Because it's simply an impossibility. Take a look at the many threads started and the many opinions and many Bible verses given for each person's reason for believing what they believe. We each have different opinions and different topics we hold dear and want to discuss with others. Thus this is called "Christian Chat and forums"

Some believe in healing., some don't. Some like old time preachers and teachers like Spurgeon., some don't. Some are Calvinists., some are not. Some believe in once saved always saved., some don't., some love old time singing and music..., some like the newer worship songs and instrumentals ... some love both....and on we can go down the line of different beliefs and opinions and tastes of the many and varied ideas of what each Christian here holds to. Thankfully we each know "Jesus" is the center.

My intentions of coming to CC are to share the truth from the Bible that I have learned and been helped in just like the many others when they come here and post. Some agree with each other., some don't. And I'm happy to agree to disagree. I don't look at people here as the "resistance" nor is it my position to ascertain who to try to convince to see things my way. If someone doesn't agree., I'm not threatened nor am I looking for a fight or to be angry at anyone. Jesus loves everyone here and that is a message worth sharing.

I will just keep on keeping on and keep on sharing what I've learned and also at times share from the ones who I've learned things from.

For instance., here is an older post that was shared about the hymn writer Frances Ridley Havergale. Her hymns have been a blessing to me and so I like to share somethings about her. Her struggles as a Christian lady who felt condemned for her sin for many years. In her studies she learned that the blood of Jesus cleanses her from all sin and she was free from her condemnation and guilt. Her story is a lot like mine.



Sometimes we think some truths are new but in reality they are not. Here is someone back in the 1800's that had a supposedly "heretical" understanding of grace in the form of our sins being forgiven and those sins were continually being washed by the blood of Jesus.

I was reading about a hymn writer from the 1800's called Frances Ridley Havergal. She wrote many hymns and knew Latin, French, German, Greek and Hebrew.

She also knew by heart the 4 gospels, epistles and the book of Revelation by the time she was 23 years old - yet she still lived in total defeat.


She thought she had "great wickedness in her heart" - because of religious traditions taught to her which is what humanistic belief systems believe. They think Christians are a "new evolution" and thus they need to create and maintain their own self-righteousness.

It wasn't until she was reading in the Greek that the present tense was used for 1 John 1:7 "...His blood cleanseth us from all sin".

She realized all her sins were forgiven by the blood of Jesus and thus she believed it and experienced peace and joy in her life because of this truth and lived a holier life.

Here is a direct QUOTE:

" Have we not been limiting 1 John 1:7 , by practically making it refer only to "remission of sins that are past" instead of taking the grand simplicity of "cleanseth from all sin"?


"All" is all; and as we may trust Him to cleanse us from the stain of past sins so we may trust Him to cleanse us from all present defilement; yes, all!

By refusing to take 1 John 1:7 in it's fullness, we will lose the fullness of it's application and power in our lives. It goes on cleansing , and I have no words to tell how my heart rejoices in it."

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She got the revelation that all her sins were forgiven because she was in Christ and thus always in the Light and His blood continually cleansed her. She was able to walk free in Christ from that point on. Today she would be called a heretic and being in error by some for having this belief.

Believing the true gospel of the grace of God in Christ finished work on the cross and resurrection will change us as we grow in His grace. We grow in His grace by the "hearing of Christ Himself".

Here is a book for those interested in her life: Jennie Chappell, "Women Who Have Worked and Won: the life story of Mrs. Spurgeon, Mrs. Booth-Tucker, F.R. Havergal, and Ramabai," London: S.W. Partridge & Co. Ltd. 1904









I think you might have not understood what I was clumsily trying to convey. :)
There will never be a time where everyone will agree with everyone.
I was talking about how you post something that is truth and yet get a rabid and vicious response because you mention one name. There is the point of resistance. The exact point of resistance.

If you care for the souls of those you are talking to and you know you are speaking truth (and it is very true that so many of us do get stuck in a painful loop of trying to perfect ourselves) then you will try as best you can to leap over or remove that wall of resistance to a truth. You will do so because you want to have the truth heard for the good of those you are talking with.

Love does not insist on its own way. Stubbornness however, does insist on its own way.

You said what was true - my paraphrase of what you said, what I took away from it, is that we can't perfect ourselves and finish in the flesh what began in the Spirit. I'll go out on a limb here and say that I think everyone will agree with that statement. We cannot make ourselves righteous and good. That is what our prayer is all about. He shows us our poverty and we then pray to Him for what we lack.

So the r,resistance wasn't to the truth of that. So if your dog won't take his pill, won't accept it from your hand, refuses, resists, finds it bitter, do you have a go with him 3 times a day or do you find a way around his resistance because you love him and want to help him with the medicine? You wrap it in a portion of cheese, hiding the thing he is resisting to, in order to help him instead of trying to shove it down his throat over and over when he spits it out.

You can keep insisting on your right to mention this mans name whenever you feel like it, which is stubbornness, or you can lay down your rights, which is to lay down your life, for your sisters, for their good.

You could easily put what you have learned in your own words, which is to put it in a piece of cheese, in order to help some of them if they are caught in this trap that you and I were caught in for some time.

That's all I will say. The resistance is not to the truth. You will either hear me or you won't. Love does not stubbornly insist on its own way.
 
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of course Job was 'saved', Nehemiah, proved this with 'SCRIPTURE', from the mouth of God...

in James, he calls Job, 'righteous JOB'...no man/woman can be described as 'righteous' without
the indwelling of The Holy Spirit'...

saying that he was NOT 'saved' in the 'beginning of his BOOK, is an error...
 

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Hi Stunnedbygrace., I understood your post the first time.
I have a different approach than you do when posting here on CC obviously.

I've been learning to give up my annoyances about people here. I don't want to come here and be annoyed. I want to come and share what I've been blessed with. So I've decided to just post the truth as I've been shown and those who agree will., and those who don't., won't.

Better people than I have posted the truth and I'm sure better people will continue so I'm in good company. We don't have to fight or argue., we can present the truth and allow the Holy Spirit to speak to those who are open. I trust the Holy Spirit to do the job only He can do. I've learned not to try and do it for Him.
 

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[h=1]Just re read some of this thread and find that it's wonderful and far from anything one would or could call heretical. Makes me want to go out and get some of Spurgeons books. So many books so little time!!!!!! I sure hope those who read this thread are spurred on to faith and Bible reading to see if these things be so. AMEN!!

“All of Grace” by Charles Spurgeon[/h]

I smile when people when people say things like, “Joseph Prince was the first to preach the gospel of grace,” or “Andrew Wommack had this message before anyone.” I smile, because the gospel of grace is no new message. It is as ancient as the Garden of Eden. Indeed, the Bible calls it the eternal gospel (Rev 14:6).

But if we must give credit to pioneering preachers, then I choose Jesus followed by the apostle Paul.
Prior to the coming of Jesus, the eternally good news of God’s love and grace was obscured behind the temporary strictures of the law-keeping covenant. Some wise old guys like Abraham, David and Isaiah saw it, but it is fair to say that the good news of God’s grace was not widely appreciated until Jesus showed up and revealed his Father’s loving heart. As John said, “Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”

So the gospel of grace is no new thing. People have been proclaiming it for at least two thousand years. And in the 19th century few people did it better than the grace preacher Charles H. Spurgeon.


Since Spurgeon’s books are all long out of copyright, some enterprising folks have started repackaging them and selling them on Amazon. I recently got a hold of one such book, All of Grace, and it’s a treat. [UPDATE: You can get a free version here.]
Reading All of Grace is like having Spurgeon step out of Victorian England and into your living room. You can almost smell the chimney fires of London in this book. The language is old. The sentences run forever. But the hundred-year old message thunders loud and clear. Spurgeon spells out his gospel point by pulpit-thumping point. He’s passionate. He’s emphatic. And by golly, if you refuse to believe his message of grace, “then there’s something wrong about you altogether” (p.79).





The Abyss of Grace


Spurgeon writes of the “abyss” of God’s grace. “Who can measure its breath? Who can fathom its depth? Like all the rest of the divine attributes, it is infinite.”

Again and again Spurgeon hammers Romans 5:6: “Christ died for the ungodly.” Are you ungodly? Then Christ died for you! Take your stand on that revelation and let nothing move you. If the devil should remind you that you are a sinner, smite him with his own sword: “Christ died to save sinners.” If religion tells you that you are disqualified on account of your sins, then rejoice, for you qualify for grace. Christ died for sinners.


And Christ will not leave you ungodly. Just as Jesus can cause “the Ethiopian to change his skin, and the leopard his spots… he can cause you to be born again,” says Spurgeon. He can make you new:

This is a miracle of grace, but the Holy Ghost will perform it. It would be a very wonderful thing if one could stand at the foot of the Niagara Falls, and could speak a word which should make the river Niagara begin to run upstream, and leap up that great precipice over which it now a rolls in stupendous force. Nothing but the power of God could achieve that marvel; but that would be more than a fit parallel to what would take place if the course of your nature were altogether reversed. All things are possible with God. He can reverse the direction of your desires and the current of your life, and instead of going downward from God, he can make your whole being tend upward toward God. (p.31)


With these foundations laid, Spurgeon goes on to demystify faith. Faith is a work of grace; it’s the conduit along which grace flows. It is not the means for saving us but it is the means by which salvation comes to us.

The power lies in the grace of God, and not in our faith. Great messages can be sent along slender wires, and the peace-giving witness of the Holy Spirit can reach the hearts by means of a thread-like faith which seems almost unable to sustain its own weight. (p.39)

Spurgeon describes true repentance as a change of mind, something that happens after we see Christ. He staggers at the idea that repentance may be measured in tears shed or groans heaved. He says, “Unbelief and despair are sins, and therefore I do not see how they can be constituent elements of acceptable repentance” (p.65).





Confirmed unto the end



At many points in the book Spurgeon anticipates reader’s fears and questions. Near the end of the book he notes that some Christians are worried that they shall not persevere to the end. They fear that they shall stumble at the last hurdle and lose all. Spurgeon scorns this fear for what it is – trust in self instead of Jesus.


Beware of mixing even a little of self with the mortar with which to build, or you will make it untempered mortar, and the stones will not hold together. If you look to Christ for your beginnings, beware of looking to yourself for your endings. He is Alpha. See to it that you make Him Omega also. (p.104)


Given all the mixed-grace that is preached in this day and age, it’s refreshing to drink pure, sweet grace straight from the tap. In Spurgeon’s case it’s like taking a draft from a hundred-year old bottle of well-aged wine.