"The Lord will miraculously heal."

[Depleted]

Someone told me that about my mother. She died. I was sent back to Dad's house, so never got to ask those people, (there was more than one), what he meant by that.

I've seen a few people say that to people praying for their loved ones on this site. One of those people that were supposedly going to be miraculously healed died on Christmas Eve.

For those who say that, what do you mean? And WHERE do you go when the person you are sure God will heal dies? The best response I've ever seen out of people who give the word-of-faith that someone sick will be healed, but then dies, was "I'm sorry for your loss. He's in a better place now."

When you love someone deeply, you want to hear God will heal them. So, if someone tells you with great authority, that God WILL heal your love one, you really, really count on that.

Where are you after the person dies? What do you say to that person? Since the best I ever saw was very much like, "Oh well, I'm sorry for your loss," how much faith did you have in the first place? And why did you pass off a lie about God as if it was no big thing?

Is there remorse? Do you even care? Or was that no more significant to you than saying Gesundheit after someone sneezes?

Have you ever said it to a close relative, or someone you work with each day? Someone you will have to see and interact with day after day when you find out your mighty word-of-faith was nothing more than a lie? Or do you only reserve it for people you don't know, so you don't have to face your fault? What happens afterward when you were wrong? Because the afterward is when that person you lied to needs comfort too.

A friend of mine has just lost her husband after being told, more than once, on this site that the Lord would heal him. (He had Stage Four cancer in several organs then.) Another friend is facing Stage Three stomach cancer with her father. Whether the "The Lord will miraculously heal" was something glib, or something deep on your heart when you say it, I really want to know where are you when the person dies? What happened to your great consult -- your great Word of Faith? And what do you do now?

This also goes for people who are sure God will heal someone simply because you assuredly said he would, even for a headache or a cold. After all, you too are sure you can choose God's decision by your great faith, so what happens when God chose not to do the miracle you, in great faith, were sure he would?

 

[Joidevivre]

I understand so much of what you are saying. I often have difficulty with the prayer requests and answers also.

As for those who really really discern that the person will be healed, they probably should temper their response with "I sense that the Lord will heal.....". Making it a proclamation brings about just what you said if the person dies.

Our personal faith regarding healing should be in only what the Lord speaks to our spirit. Not just taking a scripture and throwing it in the Lord's face (for lack of a better illustration). I ask people I'm praying for what they sense the Lord is doing with them. I want them to listen to Him - not me.

When I was diagnosed with cancer, there were those who said that I would be healed quickly. They quoted scripture. But, yet, while in my own prayer time, I felt the Lord said "Though it tarry, wait for it... you will need to go through treatments and I promise to go through them with you". I took it to mean that healing would come eventually, but I was to experience chemo and radiation first. Why do people assume that not being healed instantly is the worst thing? I experienced many new revelations of how God worked as I went through the ordeal. I saw how much people loved me. I would have missed so much if healing had happened right away.

That is exactly what happened.

And let's assume that I was not healed afterwards - I still had all those experiences as part of my life. I would not exchange them for a quick healing. People must realize that the Lord is glorified in ALL things if we surrender to them. He loves to use sickness - just as He loves to show a miraculous instant healing. Both have values. Which is why we are told to count all trials as joy.

All these things are never said to the one asking for prayer. They really don't want to hear this.

 

[star]

I have no answer for why God heals some and not others. It's a question I wonder about as I'm a cancer survivor. Why me and not others.

I do know God has His reasons and I as well know that everything God does is miraculous

 

[Depleted]

Not being healed instantly IS the worse thing. After all, that means pain and suffering. I don't like either. And, if we belong to the Lord, death isn't the worst thing because when we're dead we're with him. So what's worse than being sick? It's miserable to be sick. Just as miserable if the one sick is someone we love, because we want to take away their pain, and put it on us, but God doesn't do that. (Or, if he does, he doesn't do it often. Even less often then he does the miraculous healing.)

But I get you. During your sickness, and your husband's sickness, it was like you were fast-tracked to advance courses with the Lord. He teaches us stuff we won't learn through minor inconveniences in life -- like a dead battery in the car when it's cold out, or even a prize possession breaking. He teaches us stuff there too, but not at the advance levels gone through when it's something very serious. I would love it if he used something like a nice sunny day in May when there are no pressing needs as advance lessons though. lol

 

[Depleted]

I have no answer for why God heals some and not others. It's a question I wonder about as I'm a cancer survivor. Why me and not others.

I do know God has His reasons and I as well know that everything God does is miraculous

Not the question. This isn't about why God doesn't heal all the time. After all, none of us are getting out of this alive, so of course dying will be the last thing we do on earth.

This is about those who proclaim God will heal, when he won't. And then what do they do? Where are they? What goes through their minds?

 

[Blain]

I don't like the wof God will heal thing because the thing is it's easy to mistake what you believe will happen vs what will happen. Just because you have the faith doesn't mean that's what God has planned. True enough faith can move a mountain but God has to want that mountain moved.

We actually can hurt people even more by saying a person is going to be healed if they really aren't, like say a person is barely hanging on emotionally and spiritually because a loved one is suffering greatly and may very well die soon and I say to that person their loved one will be healed by God and this person is so desperate to believe in a miracle they take what I say as truth and cling to that and this is one of those times when this scripture comes to mind Jeremiah 23:21 I did not send these prophets, yet they have run with their message; I did not speak to them, yet they have prophesied.

However say their loved one dies, some people might lose faith in miracles completely all because I thought I knew God would heal and spoke for him when I should not have.

 

[Blain]

Not the question. This isn't about why God doesn't heal all the time. After all, none of us are getting out of this alive, so of course dying will be the last thing we do on earth.

This is about those who proclaim God will heal, when he won't. And then what do they do? Where are they? What goes through their minds?

Well from some of the ones i have talked to in their mind they think we just didn't have enough faith, I mean it's not their fault we didn't have enough faith right? It's easy to blame someone else for your lack of discernment

 

[dcontroversal]

Exactly why we are to pray, "Thy will be done".......a theological question....Are we in the will of God to pray for one to be healed if it is not God's intention to heal that person and their time under the sun is up? Everytime I have prayed for one sick or injured I always qualify it by saying if it be within your permissive will.......When one makes such bold claims like the OP.....what does it do for the faith of those left?????

 

[Depleted]

When I was in my mid-20s, a friend of mine, (same agish, even back then when age meant more lol), was taking laundry up the steps and fell backwards. The steps were slate. And the laundry was for her three little girls, the newborn baby, (their first son), and her truck-driving husband.

The first I heard she was in the hospital on life support, and her hubby needed to decide to pull the plug. She was brain dead.

Naturally, we all gathered to pray. And when I closed my eyes, I saw a vision of her holding her newborn baby with three wiggly-squiggly little girls around her. (The oldest daughter wasn't old enough to go to kindergarten yet.) And next to her was her rough-gruff husband trying to stop the girls from wiggling. They were in the front pew, and she had a bandage around her head.

About a half year earlier, the Lord did give me a word-of-knowledge for that church, and much to my surprise when I gave it, it really was. People actually told me what I didn't know but talked about. (I was relatively new to that church, so I didn't yet know all the details of what happened before I joined.) So, quite convinced I had a word of knowledge that my friend would be miraculously healed, I said what I saw to the group I was with.

Fortunately, the truck-driver, (also a good friend), wasn't there then. He was at the hospital telling the doctors to pull the plug, and she died.

The vision is in my head still, but what it was was simply me being the eternal optimist. I really did think it was a godly vision. I'm so glad he never had to hear it.

But I do get why people do it. I don't get why they disappear afterward. When the people need us most.

 

[Depleted]

Exactly why we are to pray, "Thy will be done".......a theological question....Are we in the will of God to pray for one to be healed if it is not God's intention to heal that person and their time under the sun is up? Everytime I have prayed for one sick or injured I always qualify it by saying if it be within your permissive will.......When one makes such bold claims like the OP.....what does it do for the faith of those left?????

As OP who wrote the OP, what "bold claims" did I make?

 

[dcontroversal]

As OP who wrote the OP, what "bold claims" did I make?

Not you migo....the bold claim that one would be healed and then died....sorry should have qualified my statement

 

[hardsell]

Hebrews 9:27-28:

[SUP]27 [/SUP]And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, [SUP]28 [/SUP]so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.

If the appointed time is up, I would offer that it is up. A Prayer of faith can turn into a prayer of fear and selfishness very quick.

 

[dcontroversal]

Hebrews 9:27-28:

[SUP]27 [/SUP]And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, [SUP]28 [/SUP]so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.

If the appointed time is up, I would offer that it is up. A Prayer of faith can turn into a prayer of fear and selfishness very quick.

Job 14 supports your view......there are few exceptions off the top of my head that I can think of...Hezekiah got an extra 15 years by weeping and prayer........and the young maid, widow's son, Lazarus to name 3

 

[hardsell]

Job 14 supports your view......there are few exceptions off the top of my head that I can think of...Hezekiah got an extra 15 years by weeping and prayer........and the young maid, widow's son, Lazarus to name 3

you would be right, there can and always be exceptions with God in total control.

 

[Willie-T]

If you were told to hold out your hand for a large sum of money, would you refuse to do so because not everyone you know got some money when they did that, just some of them?

 

[Joidevivre]

I believe that the Lord will not give "words of knowledge" or a specific vision first to someone other than the one who is intimate with Christ. He will speak the word first to them. We are only the ones who can give confirmation.

That is why I question them as to what they think the Lord is saying to them, and if possible only confirm if I discern the same. At least if wrong, we are both wrong. No one hears perfectly accurate all the time.

 

[Waggles]

I do not know of this Word Of Faith doctrine which seems to be
the latest Christian fashion in the U.S.A.

I stick to tradition and Bible teaching.
Divine healing has been the hallmark of Pentecostalism for some 130
years, through apostles and preachers going back to the scriptures and
believing that answered prayer by faith is still possible, still available for today.

14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray
over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up;
and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
James 5:

I guess a lot depends on which church you are part of.
But I know of Lutherans and yes Catholics who have been miraculously
healed from cancer or other life threatening ailments.
Faith with humility is the key.

In The Revival Fellowship we believe in and experience many miracles and
healings - but of course not 100%.
Yes some people die; some go on for years with ailments.
Faith? Understanding of who we are in Christ Jesus?
Unrepentant sins? Wrong attitude?

At every formal worship service we conduct a prayer line wherein we
can come out to the front and seek prayer for whatever ...
I have been healed instantly on many occasions but also on many
occasions I have not been healed.
Later I have prayed fervently with a new understanding of something I
missed before, and have claimed the victory in Jesus by the Holy Spirit.

I have seen American style charismatic and so-called evangelical pastors
and preachers that command a miracle of healing by their authority.
We do not do this in The Revival Fellowship.

I would say something like; "I believe that God is able to perform miracles
and in my church we pray for healings. Would you like me to pray for you?"

Surprisingly some people say no thanks.

 

[p_rehbein]

God has healed me on more than one occasion, but I keep the details to myself..........my blessing........

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I believe that the Lord will not give "words of knowledge" or a specific vision first to someone other than the one who is intimate with Christ. He will speak the word first to them. We are only the ones who can give confirmation.

That is why I question them as to what they think the Lord is saying to them, and if possible only confirm if I discern the same. At least if wrong, we are both wrong. No one hears perfectly accurate all the time.

that is wise

our relationship is supposed to be between us and God...we don't need 'Moses' to relay messages to us

about the only time I can see someone saying something otherwise, would be as a warning to a person like the prophet who told Paul the fate that awaited him...or if a person is refusing God and heading off a cliff

either way, these are not 'thus saith the Lords' written in stone and do as I say as so many try to claim these days

 

[blue_ladybug]

I NEVER tell people that they or a loved one will be "miraculously" healed. The truth is, they probably won't be... Healed, maybe.. MIRACULOUSLY healed.. doubtful..