Did that relieve us from our responsibility?

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mcubed

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I am a human… I know shocking… but I see mentally developed people homeless. I see physical assault and sexual abuse. I see people not able to pay property tax, coming next month. I read about sex trafficking and genocide in Africa. A child physically/sexually abused under 5 years of age, and I care.

Does G-d care? Does G-d step in? Should we “tithe” and give. Maybe 10% to the church is reckless, sad to say…. post modern day christian, in America, But did that relieve us from our responsibility?
 

Magenta

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Tithe means 10%. What do you mean by reckless?
 

maxwel

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I am a human… I know shocking… but I see mentally developed people homeless. I see physical assault and sexual abuse. I see people not able to pay property tax, coming next month. I read about sex trafficking and genocide in Africa. A child physically/sexually abused under 5 years of age, and I care.

Does G-d care? Does G-d step in? Should we “tithe” and give. Maybe 10% to the church is reckless, sad to say…. post modern day christian, in America, But did that relieve us from our responsibility?[/QUOTE]



I'm a little lost here.

Are you suggesting that if I take my tithe away from the church and spend it elsewhere...
I can end genocide in Africa?

Where exactly do I send my 10% to end genocide?



It IS possible there are problems in the world that money can't fix.
 

Dan58

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I am a human… I know shocking… but I see mentally developed people homeless. I see physical assault and sexual abuse. I see people not able to pay property tax, coming next month. I read about sex trafficking and genocide in Africa. A child physically/sexually abused under 5 years of age, and I care.

Does G-d care? Does G-d step in? Should we “tithe” and give. Maybe 10% to the church is reckless, sad to say…. post modern day christian, in America, But did that relieve us from our responsibility?
God separated himself from the world (sin), and gave us dominion. All the problems you described are self-inflicted, they are a result of our works, or the lack thereof. Yes God cares, which is why He is going to bring it all to a screeching halt one day.

Tithing didn't relieve us of any responsibility, it was originated to upkeep the Temple, feed the priest, etc. The result of our deeds or neglect doesn't disappear because of our tithe, we still reap what we sow... jmo
 

mcubed

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I am a human… I know shocking… but I see mentally developed people homeless. I see physical assault and sexual abuse. I see people not able to pay property tax, coming next month. I read about sex trafficking and genocide in Africa. A child physically/sexually abused under 5 years of age, and I care.

Does G-d care? Does G-d step in? Should we “tithe” and give. Maybe 10% to the church is reckless, sad to say…. post modern day christian, in America, But did that relieve us from our responsibility?[/QUOTE]



I'm a little lost here.

Are you suggesting that if I take my tithe away from the church and spend it elsewhere...
I can end genocide in Africa?

Where exactly do I send my 10% to end genocide?



It IS possible there are problems in the world that money can't fix.

If you paid a tithe to a Christian orizinagition in Africa would not Africans benefit from it. Or you can keep it in your pockets... What ever... Give nothing... that was my question....
 

MarcR

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If every believer worldwide tithed to support his/her church and tithed again to relieve human suffering it would barely make a dent in the problems people face. What exactly are you calling our responsibility, and on what basis.
 

RickyZ

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God never said the tithe was to the synagogue, it was to Him. The synagogue collected it, but abused the privilege. Jesus said we are to be good stewards of where we invest our resources. If there's a wasteful church vs an honest aid organization, I think I know where God would want His tithe deposited.
 

Hizikyah

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 82:3-4, "(You should) defend the weak and fatherless! (You should) maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed! (You should) rescue the poor and needy, and deliver them from the hands of the wicked."

We should do what is right, it's is not always the wasy or comfortable thing to do, but we should, we should pray for strength and guidance to do it, set our minds and hearts to do it, and do it.
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mcubed

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If every believer worldwide tithed to support his/her church and tithed again to relieve human suffering it would barely make a dent in the problems people face. What exactly are you calling our responsibility, and on what basis.

The one grain of sand. The one pebble.... The ONE PERSON! UNLESS THEY ARE NOT WORTH IT!?! ASK G-D... YOU ARE A ONE... WERE YOU WORTH IT... MOST LIKELY NOT IN MY EYES BUT G-D"S...
 
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Hizikyah

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It is odd,

we cry out to those who can have great impact on us and they look down upon us as unworthy,

those below us cry out to us, and we can have great impact upon them, what do we do?
 

MarcR

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The one grain of sand. The one pebble.... The ONE PERSON! UNLESS THEY ARE NOT WORTH IT!?! ASK G-D... YOU ARE A ONE... WERE YOU WORTH IT... MOST LIKELY NOT IN MY EYES BUT G-D"S...
God does indeed want each of us to show compassion on the poor and needy to the best of our ability.

He generally wants each of us to focus on those poor and needy in our own neighborhood.

God does not expect his faithful to crusade against the greed and brutality of all humanity. That however noble would be a wasted effort.
 

OneFaith

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I watched the true stories of Hotel Rwanda, and Blood Diamond, in tears. My heart goes out to them, they live in what I believe to be the most evil place on the face of the earth. But here’s the problem... Americans, and many other countries, have given Africa more than enough money to heal their land and their people. But this money has either been stolen by evil men or made their leaders rich to live in mansions beyond belief in the midst of poverty.

Such evil exists there- murder, rape, witchcraft, worship of false gods, self gorers, sorcery, the chopping off of arms, legs, even heads, turn-roasting of newborn babies, etc. God sends disease to punish sin. Unfortunately, many innocent lives get caught in the crossfire. The problem can’t be solved until the extreme evil stops- millions murdered in a one day genocide? Such evil!! “Blessed even more is he who has not even been born to see the evil that is done under the sun!” Sadly, many of these children saved from poverty grow up and become these murderers who go around chopping off people’s body parts. Not all, but you wonder if you’re breeding more murderers.

But even if you could know they will be your enemy, Jesus says “If your enemy is hungry, feed him. If he is thirsty, give him something to drink.” So our church sends missionaries there. We drill water wells so they can have clean water for drinking, bathing, and watering crops. We teach them how to grow crops, and about disease and cleanliness. We form schools and teach men to be preachers. We send food and sew clothes to wear in hot weather.

Every member of the church is connected to this work when they give in church- for a portion of collections goes to the poor- both local and abroad. Therefore every member can be told by Jesus “I was hungry and thirsty, and you gave Me to eat and drink, I was naked and you clothed Me- for when you did so unto the least of these, you did also onto Me.


 

MarcR

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Mcubed,

If I had the means and opportunity to adopt a young girl to protect her from physical or sexual abuse I would do so without thinking twice about it. If you ask me to throw money at a problem that money can't fix; I need to say no.
 

OneFaith

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I forgot to answer the title question...

Somewhat, yes. If you want to give more in church, more help goes out to the poor. But I say ‘somewhat’ because if you stumble upon someone in need personally, and have means to help them, but choose not to, how can the love of God be in you?

There is giving to God as you have prospered, and decided the percentage in your heart- this goes into the collection plate passed through the pews. But then there is freelance giving- which is only between you and the one in need. “And God, seeing the good you do in secret, will reward you.”



 
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Dare I answer here for God? The face of the earth is populating like cancer populates. The animal populations keep themselves in check. When the ecosystem does not provide, procreation is inhibited. Even to the point where a mother kills her babies. People using sex as recreation has caused this. Droughts and famines are a way to keep populations in check, even wars and pestilence and disease. When the land will not provide, the strong press on and the weak fall. It is by design. Instead of allowing God’s design work we keep sick populations growing. Like cancer they just eat and grow. There is no purpose, no work, no organization. The soul is important. The body is dust. Lead their souls to Christ but allow their bodies to perish. Humans put too much emphasis on the packaging and throw away the contents. FYI testosterone is supposed to decline after your prime. Sex is supposed to become less important so you focus less on mating and more on raising your children. Being sexy into your fifties is part of the deception. It keeps you in a state of perpetual want increasing profits for the beauty industry. The large decline in testosterone in the youth is a God made buffer to slow down population. Stress causes this. Effeminate men are less likely to reproduce. Since sex has become the main driver of society and all must participate, this is partly responsible for homosexuality. Sex would have just stopped not abominated.
 
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I guess the quick answer would be no, we all are the hands and feet (body), not just financial backer. Salt and light. Bless everyone you can just by being loving. If that is a kind word, a hot meal, a hug or a warm bed, done in the name of Yeshua/Jesus.
 

maxwel

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Dare I answer here for God? The face of the earth is populating like cancer populates. The animal populations keep themselves in check. When the ecosystem does not provide, procreation is inhibited. Even to the point where a mother kills her babies. People using sex as recreation has caused this. Droughts and famines are a way to keep populations in check, even wars and pestilence and disease. When the land will not provide, the strong press on and the weak fall. It is by design. Instead of allowing God’s design work we keep sick populations growing. Like cancer they just eat and grow. There is no purpose, no work, no organization. The soul is important. The body is dust. Lead their souls to Christ but allow their bodies to perish. Humans put too much emphasis on the packaging and throw away the contents. FYI testosterone is supposed to decline after your prime. Sex is supposed to become less important so you focus less on mating and more on raising your children. Being sexy into your fifties is part of the deception. It keeps you in a state of perpetual want increasing profits for the beauty industry. The large decline in testosterone in the youth is a God made buffer to slow down population. Stress causes this. Effeminate men are less likely to reproduce. Since sex has become the main driver of society and all must participate, this is partly responsible for homosexuality. Sex would have just stopped not abominated.


1. There are many many assertions here that are just assertions, with nothing to back them up... I'll just elaborate on ONE of these.



2. The whole idea that the human race is spreading like a "cancer", and we're infecting the earth like some kind of disease that needs to be eradicated to save the earth... this isn't a Biblical concept, and this is actually to take biblical principles and turn them completely upside down.

- This is a concept from atheistic philosophy... not the Bible.
In fact, we can even go look up the atheist philosophers who've said these kinds of things.

- In this metaphor, humans are a disease, and the earth is the host, making the host (the earth) intrinsically more valuable.. and the humans nothing more than a parasite that needs to be eradicated.

But the earth is not intrinsically more valuable than humans;
this is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the Bible shows.

A. God made the earth FOR US, not the other way around.
B. Humans have a spiritual component that is eternal, but the earth does not, the earth will one day be destroyed and recreated.
C. Humans are made in God's image, the earth was not.
D. Biblically, humans are not some worthless disease infecting a host which is much more important than the disease.
E. Rather, humans are created by God, in his image, and we have inestimable intrinsic value... and due to our fallen nature we are harming ourselves and everything we touch. But we have SO MUCH value that God made a way for us to be "reborn", and eventually the earth will even be recreated so it will perform correctly FOR US.


3. Humans may be harming the environment, but we are not a "disease".

Are humans often harming the environment?
Yes.
But is the earth more valuable than us, and we are a mere disease that should be eradicated to protect it?
No.

To believe the earth is more valuable than humans, and humans are a mere disease upon the earth, a disease which needs to be depopulated or eradicated to protect the host... this is to turn Biblical principles COMPLETELY UPSIDE DOWN.
 
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What I asserted was that humans grow like a cancer, and that is an observable concept. Do you suppose that devine revelation died with the apostles? Is prophecy not a spiritual gift? Is wisdom not given freely to those who merely request it? Christ spoke in parables that people at the time could understand. Today people understand cancer. Man was created to tend the Garden, a farm hand. It just so happens that God put man at the top of the food chain. The world was created and populated for His purpose, we just live here.
 

maxwel

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What I asserted was that humans grow like a cancer, and that is an observable concept. Do you suppose that devine revelation died with the apostles? Is prophecy not a spiritual gift? Is wisdom not given freely to those who merely request it? Christ spoke in parables that people at the time could understand. Today people understand cancer. Man was created to tend the Garden, a farm hand. It just so happens that God put man at the top of the food chain. The world was created and populated for His purpose, we just live here.



1. If you're claiming your assertions are true, and you can't back up, then that's a problem.



2. If you're claiming your assertions are automatically true BECAUSE YOU'RE A PROPHET...

then we really need a whole new thread to discuss whether or not you're a prophet.
 
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If you paid a tithe to a Christian orizinagition in Africa would not Africans benefit from it. Or you can keep it in your pockets... What ever... Give nothing... that was my question....
Seems to me, what you're really saying is "What's wrong with you people" even if you have no idea what WE do!

If it is on your heart to give, give! Don't blame it on everyone else. You're not responsible for us. You're responsible for you.