Inspiration of Scriptures

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trofimus

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There are many differences in discussions because of this.

Some believe every letter is inspired, some believe only the message is.

Some believe that every sentence was given by the Holy Spirit, some believe that the Holy Spirit only guided teaching as such.

Some believe that only 66 books are inspired, some believe there are more of them.

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1. What is your view of inspiration
2. Why do you hold that view
3. What is the authority you base your view on?

(Please do not answer like "God, because God said so, because Bible says so" etc., but be more specific and clear)
 

Nehemiah6

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1. What is your view of inspiration
Every word and every letter in the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts [autographs] was inspired -- given by God.
2. Why do you hold that view
That is what Scripture reveals about itself
3. What is the authority you base your view on?
The Lord Jesus Christ Himself is the Authority for this view, because He Himself held this view.

THE JOTS AND TITTLES ARE INSPIRED
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (Mt 5:18)

THE WORDS ARE INSPIRED
But he [Christ] answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. (Mt 4:4).

THE ENTIRE HEBREW TANAKH (24 BOOKS) ARE INSPIRED
Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself... And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Luke 24:25-27; 44-47).

THE NEW TESTAMENT IS INSPIRED
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost... And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. (2 Pet 1:19-21; 3:15,16).
 
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Every word and every letter in the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts [autographs] was inspired -- given by God.

That is what Scripture reveals about itself

The Lord Jesus Christ Himself is the Authority for this view, because He Himself held this view.

THE JOTS AND TITTLES ARE INSPIRED
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. (Mt 5:18)

THE WORDS ARE INSPIRED
But he [Christ] answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. (Mt 4:4).

THE ENTIRE HEBREW TANAKH (24 BOOKS) ARE INSPIRED
Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself... And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Luke 24:25-27; 44-47).

THE NEW TESTAMENT IS INSPIRED
We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost... And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. (2 Pet 1:19-21; 3:15,16).

It's great to hear that the entire New Testament was inspired! Now I have a QUESTION! WHICH VERSION(S) of the verse hyperlinked immediately below was INSPIRED, and which VERSION(S) was/were CORRUPTED, and HOW CAN YOU TELL WHICH IS WHICH?


1 John 5:7 For there are three that testify:

New International Version
For there are three that testify:

New Living Translation
So we have these three witnesses--

English Standard Version
For there are three that testify:

Berean Study Bible
For there are three that testify:

Berean Literal Bible
For there are three bearing testimony:

New American Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

King James Bible
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

International Standard Version
For there are three witnesses —

NET Bible
For there are three that testify,

New Heart English Bible
For there are three who testify:

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And The Spirit testifies because The Spirit is the truth.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
There are three witnesses:

New American Standard 1977
And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

Jubilee Bible 2000
For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

King James 2000 Bible
For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one.

American King James Version
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

American Standard Version
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.

Darby Bible Translation
For they that bear witness are three:

English Revised Version
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

Webster's Bible Translation
For there are three that bear testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.

Weymouth New Testament
For there are three that give testimony-- the Spirit, the water, and the blood;

World English Bible
For there are three who testify:

Young's Literal Translation
because three are who are testifying in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these -- the three -- are one;
 

Nehemiah6

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It's great to hear that the entire New Testament was inspired! Now I have a QUESTION! WHICH VERSION(S) of the verse hyperlinked immediately below was INSPIRED, and which VERSION(S) was/were CORRUPTED, and HOW CAN YOU TELL WHICH IS WHICH?

While the versions were not inspired as such, they can be segregated on the basis on which Hebrew and Greek texts were PURE and which were corrupted.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that testify:

THE UNCORRUPTED TRANSLATIONS

King James Bible

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.


American King James Version
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.


King James 2000 Bible
For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one.


Jubilee Bible 2000
For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.


Douay-Rheims Bible
And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one. [Note: This Catholic Bible matches the uncorrupted versions here, but does have issues elsewhere]

Webster's Bible Translation
For there are three that bear testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.


Young's Literal Translation
because three are who are testifying in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these -- the three -- are one.


THE CORRUPTED TRANSLATIONS


New International Version

For there are three that testify:

New Living Translation
So we have these three witnesses--

English Standard Version
For there are three that testify:

Berean Study Bible
For there are three that testify:

Berean Literal Bible
For there are three bearing testimony:

New American Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

International Standard Version
For there are three witnesses —

NET Bible
For there are three that testify,

New Heart English Bible
For there are three who testify:

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And The Spirit testifies because The Spirit is the truth.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
There are three witnesses:

New American Standard 1977
And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

American Standard Version
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

Darby Bible Translation
For they that bear witness are three:

English Revised Version
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

Weymouth New Testament
For there are three that give testimony-- the Spirit, the water, and the blood;

World English Bible
For there are three who testify:


Note: For those not familiar with the issue, there is more than enough internal and external documentary evidence to show that this verse as seen in the KJV and other uncorrupted translations is authentic.
 

trofimus

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Every word and every letter in the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts [autographs] was inspired -- given by God.
So, why did Luke had to search things out before he could write them down? Or why are there slight differences in synoptic gospels, where many quotations of Jesus are different?

If every word is given by God, why are styles of Paul and of John different?
 

Nehemiah6

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All good questions.
So, why did Luke had to search things out before he could write them down?
There is a misunderstanding about the inspiration of Luke's Gospel.

It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus (Luke 1:3).

So we should look at the Greek text first:

ἔδοξε κἀμοί, παρηκολουθηκότι ἄνωθεν πᾶσιν ἀκριβῶς, καθεξῆς σοι γράψαι, κράτιστε Θεόφιλε,

anóthen: from above
Original Word: ἄνωθεν
Part of Speech: Adverb
Transliteration: anóthen
Phonetic Spelling: (an'-o-then)
Short Definition: from above, from the beginning, again
Definition: (a) from above, from heaven, (b) from the beginning, from their origin (source), from of old, (c) again, anew.

Had the King James translators translated "from the very first" as "from above" we would have had this translation:

It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from above, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus

Luke did not say that he "had to search things out before he could write them down", although that is the common interpretation. So let's see exactly what he stated in verses 1 and 2: Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word...

Luke is saying here that those who were eyewitnesses of what is stated in the Gospels -- the apostles and their companions -- have set forth in [chronological] order everything pertaining to Christ and delivered them to the churches (and Christians). So it seemed good to him also, having had a perfect understanding BY DIVINE INSPIRATION (anothen = from above) to write everything in an orderly fashion to this Theophilus (or lover of God).
Or why are there slight differences in synoptic gospels, where many quotations of Jesus are different?
Each one of the evangelists was allowed to express their own style and indicate their own emphasis while still being under the control of the Holy Spirit. Hence the variations.
If every word is given by God, why are styles of Paul and of John different?
That is how God works with men. The personalities and articulation of the apostles were all different and somehow those differences were allowed to be expressed without violating the essential truths.
 
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maxwel

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There are many differences in discussions because of this.

Some believe every letter is inspired, some believe only the message is.

Some believe that every sentence was given by the Holy Spirit, some believe that the Holy Spirit only guided teaching as such.

Some believe that only 66 books are inspired, some believe there are more of them.

---

1. What is your view of inspiration
2. Why do you hold that view
3. What is the authority you base your view on?

(Please do not answer like "God, because God said so, because Bible says so" etc., but be more specific and clear)



If you want everyone else to explain their view of inspiration,
why don't you start by explaining your own.

That seems fair.





 

MarcR

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There are many differences in discussions because of this.

Some believe every letter is inspired, some believe only the message is.

Some believe that every sentence was given by the Holy Spirit, some believe that the Holy Spirit only guided teaching as such.

Some believe that only 66 books are inspired, some believe there are more of them.

---

1. What is your view of inspiration
2. Why do you hold that view
3. What is the authority you base your view on?

(Please do not answer like "God, because God said so, because Bible says so" etc., but be more specific and clear)
The 39 books of the OT were determined at the time of Ezra c. 512-520 B.C.
The 27 Books of the NT were determined by concsensus by the end of the 2nd century A.D.

The books of the OT apocrypha and the NT apocrypha have been included in various bible versions by many publishers.

These books are usually not considered inspired because of either questionable authorship or content.

I believe that the 66 books of the OT and NT are divinely inspired.

I believe God directly revealed His truth to men of His choosing; and superintended both the recording and transmission of His word.

I believe that God used imperfect men to record and transmit His perfect Word.

I believe that many passages of Scripture include minor errors of fact; but I believe that none of them are of such a nature as to in any way compromise God's message; and that all principles taught are totally reliable.

In spite of the minor errors which I readily acknowledge; I believe that the Bible is the absolute standard of truth and ANYTHING which contradicts it is a lie or an error.

I believe that except for a small number of translations written by cults to promote heresies; all translations ate far more remarkable for their agreement than for their differences.
 
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[/COLOR]While the versions were not inspired as such, they can be segregated on the basis on which Hebrew and Greek texts were PURE and which were corrupted.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that testify:

THE UNCORRUPTED TRANSLATIONS

King James Bible

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.


American King James Version
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.


King James 2000 Bible
For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one.


Jubilee Bible 2000
For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.


Douay-Rheims Bible
And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one. [Note: This Catholic Bible matches the uncorrupted versions here, but does have issues elsewhere]

Webster's Bible Translation
For there are three that bear testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.


Young's Literal Translation
because three are who are testifying in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these -- the three -- are one.


THE CORRUPTED TRANSLATIONS


New International Version

For there are three that testify:

New Living Translation
So we have these three witnesses--

English Standard Version
For there are three that testify:

Berean Study Bible
For there are three that testify:

Berean Literal Bible
For there are three bearing testimony:

New American Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

International Standard Version
For there are three witnesses —

NET Bible
For there are three that testify,

New Heart English Bible
For there are three who testify:

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And The Spirit testifies because The Spirit is the truth.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
There are three witnesses:

New American Standard 1977
And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

American Standard Version
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

Darby Bible Translation
For they that bear witness are three:

English Revised Version
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

Weymouth New Testament
For there are three that give testimony-- the Spirit, the water, and the blood;

World English Bible
For there are three who testify:


Note: For those not familiar with the issue, there is more than enough internal and external documentary evidence to show that this verse as seen in the KJV and other uncorrupted translations is authentic.

So, are you saying that God did NOT protect His word from being MODIFIED and/or CORRUPTED by EVIL HUMANS?
 

Nehemiah6

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So, are you saying that God did NOT protect His word from being MODIFIED and/or CORRUPTED by EVIL HUMANS?
No that's not what I'm saying at all. God has indeed preserved His true Word in the MAJORITY of the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts, and in the Reformation Bibles (including the KJB). Only a small percentage of manuscripts have been corrupted. However, Satan has used rationalistic *critics* (scholars) to undermine the true Word and promote the corruptions. A major hoax was perpetrated in the Christian world, and almost everyone swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. This is all a part of "the mystery of iniquity".
 

trofimus

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All good questions.

There is a misunderstanding about the inspiration of Luke's Gospel.

It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus (Luke 1:3).

So we should look at the Greek text first:

ἔδοξε κἀμοί, παρηκολουθηκότι ἄνωθεν πᾶσιν ἀκριβῶς, καθεξῆς σοι γράψαι, κράτιστε Θεόφιλε,

anóthen: from above
Original Word: ἄνωθεν
Part of Speech: Adverb
Transliteration: anóthen
Phonetic Spelling: (an'-o-then)
Short Definition: from above, from the beginning, again
Definition: (a) from above, from heaven, (b) from the beginning, from their origin (source), from of old, (c) again, anew.

Had the King James translators translated "from the very first" as "from above" we would have had this translation:

It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from above, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus

Luke did not say that he "had to search things out before he could write them down", although that is the common interpretation. So let's see exactly what he stated in verses 1 and 2: Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us, Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word...

Luke is saying here that those who were eyewitnesses of what is stated in the Gospels -- the apostles and their companions -- have set forth in [chronological] order everything pertaining to Christ and delivered them to the churches (and Christians). So it seemed good to him also, having had a perfect understanding BY DIVINE INSPIRATION (anothen = from above) to write everything in an orderly fashion to this Theophilus (or lover of God).
I think that the key word is παρηκολουθηκότι, which means "to properly investigate".

We can translate the sentence as: "I also properly investigated from the beginning"
Or: "I also properly investigated from above", but I am not sure if this makes sense.

Each one of the evangelists was allowed to express their own style and indicate their own emphasis while still being under the control of the Holy Spirit. Hence the variations.
Yes, their emphasies are quite noticable, Mark has 16 chapters, Luke 24. But what is important for the inspiration theory is when they quote the same saying of Jesus or describe the same event.

For example:

Matthew 3:17 "This is My beloved Son."
Mark 1:11 "You are My beloved Son."

If the Holy Spirit let human authors to change words (even though the message is the same), we cannot hold the "every word" inspiration.

That is how God works with men. The personalities and articulation of the apostles were all different and somehow those differences were allowed to be expressed without violating the essential truths.
So, only the essential truths are inspired? You believe that every letter is... so now I am confused.
 

trofimus

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If you want everyone else to explain their view of inspiration,
why don't you start by explaining your own.

That seems fair.





I am undecided.... I am rather looking for my own view, it seems that none I can think of fits the facts so far.

I am certain that the overall message of Scriptures is inspired. I am curious if the inspiration can be proved to be more into details like into specific words. And if it can, what version or manuscript has those words.
 
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trofimus

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The 39 books of the OT were determined at the time of Ezra c. 512-520 B.C.
By whom? And why do you trust him/them?
The 27 Books of the NT were determined by concsensus by the end of the 2nd century A.D.
Are you sure about that concensus? For example Revelation was very suscpicious book into much later period. And the first Church had various canons, if we can call that so. With Hermas, Didaché etc.

The books of the OT apocrypha and the NT apocrypha have been included in various bible versions by many publishers.
Not sure what you mean by publishers, but the very first hand-copied "Bibles" had them.

These books are usually not considered inspired because of either questionable authorship or content.
Considered by whom? And why to trust him/them?

I believe that the 66 books of the OT and NT are divinely inspired.
Why not 65 or 67?

I believe God directly revealed His truth to men of His choosing; and superintended both the recording and transmission of His word.
Which line of text is the superintended line for the OT and which one for the NT?
I believe that God used imperfect men to record and transmit His perfect Word.
I believe that many passages of Scripture include minor errors of fact; but I believe that none of them are of such a nature as to in any way compromise God's message; and that all principles taught are totally reliable.
So, you believe in inspiration of principles, but not of details? Details can have errors?

In spite of the minor errors which I readily acknowledge; I believe that the Bible is the absolute standard of truth and ANYTHING which contradicts it is a lie or an error.
What if the contradiction is in details? Is the Bible the absolute standard in details, too? Or only in principles?

I believe that except for a small number of translations written by cults to promote heresies; all translations ate far more remarkable for their agreement than for their differences.
Translations is a different story... Lets leave them out, for now. Lets suppose that we are able to speak all ancient languages we wish and that we have all manuscripts that are found.

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tl;dr: Yup, I am an annoying guy :)
 

trofimus

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Only a small percentage of manuscripts have been corrupted.
There are no two same manuscripts. So all are corrupted into some level. Its understandable, because they were made by hand copying.
However, Satan has used rationalistic *critics* (scholars) to undermine the true Word and promote the corruptions.
Because not even two manuscripts agree with each other, there must be some comparison of manuscripts to determine which readings are the most probable.

Even the KJB is based on such rationalistic criticism made by Erasmus.
 

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[for me anyway]
1. beside being God breathed, the Word of God is perfect being tried seven times as gold, and God says (promises) that He shall preserve His Word for ever.
2. In your note you attempt to discourage the responder to leave out believing in God for the matter, yet it is so that this view is held because of believing and trusting God and His Word, which by the way He exalts above all His Name.
3. Again you know very well that God is the authority, and not man.
 

trofimus

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[for me anyway]
1. beside being God breathed, the Word of God is perfect being tried seven times as gold, and God says (promises) that He shall preserve His Word for ever.
2. In your note you attempt to discourage the responder to leave out believing in God for the matter, yet it is so that this view is held because of believing and trusting God and His Word, which by the way He exalts above all His Name.
3. Again you know very well that God is the authority, and not man.
There is nothing in your post I can verify.

You are talking about some seven times, without any reference (I actually know you will say its the KJV, but I will pretend I do not know that).
About God's promise, without any reference (I actually know that you mean that wrong interpretation of Psalm, but I will pretend I do not know that).

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And even though God is the authority, there are various views on how did He inspired the Scriptures and how did we know that. And this is my question.
 
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John146

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I believe that many passages of Scripture include minor errors of fact; but I believe that none of them are of such a nature as to in any way compromise God's message; and that all principles taught are totally reliable.

In spite of the minor errors which I readily acknowledge; I believe that the Bible is the absolute standard of truth and ANYTHING which contradicts it is a lie or an error.
If the Bible is the absolute standard for truth, it could not contain any errors, small or great. That's a contradiction.
 

trofimus

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If the Bible is the absolute standard for truth, it could not contain any errors, small or great. That's a contradiction.
Where is it said that "the Bible is the absolute standard for truth"?
 

John146

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Where is it said that "the Bible is the absolute standard for truth"?
For starters...

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

And by the way, I was quoting Marc R.
 

trofimus

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For starters...

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

And by the way, I was quoting Marc R.
OK, but there is quite a long walk from His word to our Bibles.

Also, its a question if Jesus is meant (eternal Logos) or sayings.
 
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