Partakers of the Holy Ghost

[UnderGrace]

I think you missed the key message here.


titus 2:For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;


It is the grace of God that teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts....not our own self-effort at this endeavour...all our self-righteous effort is filthy rags in the eyes of God.

"If we must clean ourselves up stop sin,"


can you imagine this argument being made in the bible? if i have to repent and stop serving satans will ( sin) that means grace isnt really grace because ive " earned my salvation" meanwhile from the beginning of time God has been saying " sin is death" believe and obey my word and you will live......."


2 timothy 2:19 "Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.



titus 3:8 " This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men


there is no salvation where we get to serve sin guiltlessly and still end up in the Lords eternity. theres only a mirage that rejects the bible and says " well if thats true then grace isnt grace" so many take the word Grace, define it from websters dictionary and then majke the argument that the Bible has it wrong if you believe it, because grace isnt grace if you have to do what the Bible says you have to do ........


either we acceot Jesus repent and turn our lives toward Home or we wallow in the mire and eat slop like the prodigal. we dont get to hang with the pigs and our wild living and still arrive at Hime. like the prodigal sin should make us sorry enough to stop doing it, if for no other reason, than our sin is what lead Jesus Christ to His suffering. sin has to become utterly sinful to us or we will never stop, we cant believe sins not an issue anymore because well never change if thats the belief. if a sinner begins to believe they are being called to repentance By the Lord who gave His life for them, repentance will come because that is what Jesus is all about, yes we must do the things Jesus taught us for salvation, repent and learn and obey His word. it doesnt matter How jp defines grace, or what webster says grace means, you cant then take that definition and omit all of Gods word that makes it clear that line of thinking is deadly flawed.

the Bible defines the Bible, the Bible explains and interprets the bible not how man defined the word grace......if you guys really knew grace you would be zealous for good works and deeds, you would learn to repent and live godly lives here and Now. is that an offensive " prideful, self reliant statement? or, is it just biblical truth?

titus 2:For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.



doesnt it bother the gog crowd that thier doctrine is different entirely from the Word of God? if Jesus says you gotta repent, its a done deal, so then what ? re define repentance to mean " changing the mind" rather than what its always meant in scripture to repent of sin stop sinning......its an endless circle this subject

 

[MarcR]

ha ha ha ha?

even the leetle doggies don't buy it

you get a hold of something and just won't let go...personally, I see it as YOUR problem

sorry, but I do

not a hill to die on



touchy much?

no one has attacked you that I can see but there may be some truth to you actually jabbing at quite a few people

whine whine whine (fits in with the cute doggie theme, doncha think? )

and no one has to answer your questions. you are not in charge here and you are not a Bible teacher...this is supposed to be a discussion forum...not the Spanish Inquisition

Actually it is your problem, I do not know what I did to upset you. But something happened. Sand you hold grudges. Thats sad, Buty thats on you,. No sweat off my back.

She made a point, and I asked her a question

She did not answer

I asked again.

She again did not answer and said I was attacking her (by this time I most likely had less then ten posts to her)

Then she lied and said she did not do something, And threatened me.

I proved to her she did say what I said she did. And you and all the others come to her aid..

So yeah, it is funny.




Blah Blah Blah.. You sound like a broken record. Should I fear??

This is a bible discussion forum.

1. She made a point a passage proved her right
2. I asked her a question to discuss the issue
3. Like so many do, instead of answering the question, they blame shift. Peter did it. ISIT did it. Fran did it, Now we have another doing it. So many have done it.

If your going to make a point, Try to back it up. Stop being afraid if someone questions you.

‘Your right, this is a bible discussion forum. SDO why is SHE AFTRAID to discuss what the Bible says?

Your right, I am not in charge, the mods are. If she wants to report me, she can feel free to report me, I could care less. And I am not worried, because I have done nothing wrong.

As for you. Again, I do not know what your beef is with me, But stop. I feel like I am in high school and people need to take sides and attack everyone who disagrees with them,.

I did not attack her, I ASKED HER A QUESTION.

I like and respect both of you. Whatever happened between you is not worth the hard feelings it is causing.

I' wont try to take sides; but I will try to make peace because the Lord teaches that peace-making is blessed.

Whatever happens---- I tried.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I like and respect both of you. Whatever happened between you is not worth the hard feelings it is causing.

I' wont try to take sides; but I will try to make peace because the Lord teaches that peace-making is blessed.

Whatever happens---- I tried.

I can not see anything she posts any more my friend. But thanks..

 

[hardsell]

I mean we have a thread over 2400 pages long and still going. It's Battlefield Bible Forum at it's best and I don't understand why the simple words of Christ and the rest of the New Testament are so hard to understand

well I do, but those who do not understand would not accept the answer anyway

catch 22

I mean even suggesting such things brings out the snipers, bombers, guided missiles and IEDs

Certain people need a platform. This is that platform.

 

[MattforJesus]

We cannot clean ourselves up,and that is why we have to confess Christ,and hate sin,and do not want sin,and when we receive the Spirit we have the power to be able to abstain from sin,for a Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,for they have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts,and show the ways of the Spirit,and God will not allow them to be tempted above what they are able,and will give them an escape from the temptation so they can bear it.

So there is no excuse why a person cannot abstain from sin,and we cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with God,does not apply,because by the Spirit we can abstain from sin,and this is what seals the saints that they depart from iniquity,and God is not mocked for whatever a person sows that shall they reap,and Jesus said whatever is in the heart is what comes out,so if they sin then that is what is in their heart.

We sin because we want to sin not because we cannot abstain from sin,which the Bible says if someone holds unto sin the blood of Jesus cannot wash it away.Nobody is forcing us to sin and we have a choice between good and evil,and if we do evil we could of chose the good.

If you sin who forced you to sin,and you can choose the good,so we sin because we want to sin not because we cannot abstain from sin.

When we come to Christ,and are saved,and receive the Spirit,we still have the possibility to sin for we are in the flesh,and are tempted,and if we do sin we can be forgiven.

That is not the problem,but the problem is people who hold unto sin and think they are right with God,but in that condition they are not right with God,for sin separates us from God,and some have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof,because they want to sin,and they think they are right with God.

We see many people that claim Christ that think they are alright despite holding unto sin,which they err a lot in loving money and material things for their wants,which Paul said they have erred from the faith,and James said their faith is dead,and John said the love of God does not dwell in them,and they are not being led of the Spirit,and many love fleshy pleasures that war against the soul.

We should have the attitude that we can abstain from sin,and sin does affect our relationship with God,for we are in a better position to what is right to be right with God,and if we do sin we repent of it and let it go,and keep moving in the Spirit.

But we cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect our relationship is not biblical,if a person confesses Christ.

So why do they believe that they cannot abstain from sin,and sin does not affect their relationship with Christ,is it because they do not understand the scriptures,or because they want to enjoy sin and believe they are alright with God.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I like and respect both of you. Whatever happened between you is not worth the hard feelings it is causing.

I' wont try to take sides; but I will try to make peace because the Lord teaches that peace-making is blessed.

Whatever happens---- I tried.

why?

I find it hard to believe you would agree with badgering people

that is where the conflict started

since he says he does not do that, I can say also that I tried.

sorry if that bothers you.

you know, I have my pm button turned off. in the past, I received various pms from folks that said this or that about others and finally I had enough of the drama

if someone has a gripe and thinks someone is abusing the forum by coming back as a different member that was previously banned, tell a mod...don't post about like eg keeps doing and threatening a mod will catch up with them

that is the behavior I addressed to what he seems to have great exception

again, I do respect you also but this is not some personal grudge here...even though he tries to make it seem so

this is what he does and this is what I object to

thanks

 

[Nehemiah6]

Certain people need a platform. This is that platform.

Why has this thread become a snipers' paradise? Is that an illustration of partaking of the Holy Ghost or the reverse?

 

[UnderGrace]

I have yet to have read a post on CC where the person was saying that sin is not a problem and we should continue to sin?

Am I missing something?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Certain people need a platform. This is that platform.

it's a discussion forum which is why I don't play favorites with those who say they are teachers or whatever

even teachers need a break! LOL!

judging from some of the threads in the misc forum lately, I would say I am not alone

isn't it ridiculous how this thread has gone sideways and become almost an addendum to the much longer parent thread whose name we shall not speak?

 

[garee]

3340. metanoeó ►Strong's Concordance

metanoeó: to change one's mind or purpose

Original Word: μετανοέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: metanoeó
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an-o-eh'-o)

Short Definition: I repent, change my mind

Definition: I repent, change my mind, change the inner man
(particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God),
repent.

HELPS Word-studies
3340 metanoéō (from 3326 /metá, "changed after
being with" and 3539 /noiéō, "think")
– properly, "think differently after," "after a change of mind";
to repent (literally, "think differently afterwards").

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It caries both ideas. But to me the comforting seems to be used more.

He works to turn us in order to freely give comfort.As always he does the first works which we do fall from, if we harden our hearts in unbeleif (no faith) there is nothing to turn us.

If he does not do the first work to turn us, no man could comfort themselves and realize how childish they had been. No turning no comforting. No comforting no turning.

In that way no man can come to the father unless he first turns them... he will comfort them and in no wise cast them out. The shame comes later in the end of the matter.

I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the LORD my God.Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth.Jer 31:18

 

[7seasrekeyed]

I have yet to have read a post on CC where the person was saying that sin is not a problem and we should continue to sin?

Am I missing something?

and now you sound just like me

I have posted that over and over and over and over

and the flip site of that is, I have never read a post where those who are accused of being works salvationists have actually said their works save them

isn't that just the height of ironic?

we have over 2400 pages of it

 

[7seasrekeyed]

it's difficult to bow gracefully out of a thread where you have become the focus of unwanted attention, but for now, yeah....

that's what I'm gonna do

 

[Speak2Me]

Hmm so you jump in as soon as you think you've found fault with hardsell?

You say he labeled EG. Hmm. AAMOF, EG labeled all of us.

I notice EG labeled hardsell as believing spoon fed christianity. When were you gonna get around to dealin wit that?

Yeah... NEVER.

You have shown your hand as being a respecter of persons. Accuse one & not the other.

Look everyone. Cee to EG's rescue, being his backup.

He needs it.

You have no idea what you’re talking about. I wasn’t attacking him. I was trying to give him feedback to help him. I was more direct with him because it was needed. I’ve given feedback to EG and him to me before as well. But it’s fine, carry on. I’m done with it. Wisdom is known by her children.

Hey everyone, did you notice that Cee said I accused him of attacking when I didn't?

Did you notice also he NEVER got on EG at all for the same thing as hardsell?

That just being a respecter of persons, isn't it?

He definitely has EG's back.

Watch him carefully.

 

[UnderGrace]

I cannot respond to this because I know it would not go well for you or me or this thread

Hope you dogs give you some reprieve.

and now you sound just like me

I have posted that over and over and over and over

and the flip site of that is, I have never read a post where those who are accused of being works salvationists have actually said their works save them

isn't that just the height of ironic?

we have over 2400 pages of it

 

[preacher4truth]

Hey everyone, did you notice that Cee said I accused him of attacking when I didn't?

Did you notice also he NEVER got on EG at all for the same thing as hardsell?

That just being a respecter of persons, isn't it?

He definitely has EG's back.

Watch him carefully.

Come on man, seriously? What, are you bathing in meat tenderizer these days? You call what Cee said "an attack?" Come on man, toughen up.

 

[MarcR]

ha ha ha ha?

even the leetle doggies don't buy it

you get a hold of something and just won't let go...personally, I see it as YOUR problem

sorry, but I do

not a hill to die on



touchy much?

no one has attacked you that I can see but there may be some truth to you actually jabbing at quite a few people

whine whine whine (fits in with the cute doggie theme, doncha think? )

and no one has to answer your questions. you are not in charge here and you are not a Bible teacher...this is supposed to be a discussion forum...not the Spanish Inquisition

why?

I find it hard to believe you would agree with badgering people

that is where the conflict started

since he says he does not do that, I can say also that I tried.

sorry if that bothers you.

you know, I have my pm button turned off. in the past, I received various pms from folks that said this or that about others and finally I had enough of the drama

if someone has a gripe and thinks someone is abusing the forum by coming back as a different member that was previously banned, tell a mod...don't post about like eg keeps doing and threatening a mod will catch up with them

that is the behavior I addressed to what he seems to have great exception

again, I do respect you also but this is not some personal grudge here...even though he tries to make it seem so

this is what he does and this is what I object to

thanks

I didn't go back and read the argument because I didn't want to take sides. I came in on this page and saw two people I'm fond of going at each other. It didn't matter to me why you were arguing because I intend to remain fond of both of you.
I tried to make peace because Jesus says that is a blessed thing to do. I don't intend to read the argument; because that might cause me to take sides, presuming one of you is right. I was hoping to persuade both of you that regardless who is right, the issue is not worth the hard feelings it is causing.

 

[hardsell]

it's a discussion forum which is why I don't play favorites with those who say they are teachers or whatever

even teachers need a break! LOL!

judging from some of the threads in the misc forum lately, I would say I am not alone

isn't it ridiculous how this thread has gone sideways and become almost an addendum to the much longer parent thread whose name we shall not speak?

It is even more ridiculous that each thread gets turned into the one whose name we will shall not speak

If people pay attention it is the same group of people, or at least the top lieutenants. They go into the thread and If salvation is not discussed and not their version, it is derailed and instantly turned into another one whose name we will shall not speak.

 

[ComeLordJesus]

anyway, I should know better than to even post on threads with the gang being active on it

probably due to the fact I have only averaged about 4 hours sleep the last 2 nights...due to the adorable puppy my husband and I gifted each other with for Christmas

I cover my dogs with prayer...my household...and everything in it...my marriage and all that pertains to my life

I do believe we are living in very critical spiritual times (they were always but because of the internet and all that pertains to it, tv...well mass media in general everything is duplicating and increasing at rates I do not believe many even take notice of)

Any particular breed?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I didn't go back and read the argument because I didn't want to take sides. I came in on this page and saw two people I'm fond of going at each other. It didn't matter to me why you were arguing because I intend to remain fond of both of you.
I tried to make peace because Jesus says that is a blessed thing to do. I don't intend to read the argument; because that might cause me to take sides, presuming one of you is right. I was hoping to persuade both of you that regardless who is right, the issue is not worth the hard feelings it is causing.

I was going to say something but I will not (at last what I wanted to say) about why I think this started, it does not matter, What matters is how we continue. and I have decided to no longer continue.

But will just say I was told earlier that I always like getting the last word. and such and such, I like to weld a sword or whatever ( I forget now all she said) Yet if I opened up every post that same person has written since i put her on ignore. How many times has she bashed me, Attacked me, or did whatever it is she claims I make my life doing. (I could be wrong, and if I am I will be the first to confess)

I have set it aside, But if it keeps going, I will just take it to the higher ups.

thanks for trying bro. I am sorry if I upset you.

 

[Speak2Me]

Jesus died for the sins of the World, He died, "while we were yet sinners"

Rom. 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

But Jesus didn't "SAVE" us at our worse. Not everyone will be saved as Jesus said.

Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

So man's preaching that we "Come as we are" or that Jesus "Saves us at our worse" is in opposition to what He teaches, which is, if there is no repentance, no change, there is no salvation, there is no "Saved".

Repentance is turning toward God.

Its not sorrow. It’s only GODLY sorrow if we turn toward God as a result.

Jesus said repent for the Kingdom of God is AT hand. Which means in front of you.

We don’t clean ourselves up to come to Jesus. We come to Jesus to be cleaned up.

It was by HIS WORD that the disciples were cleansed.

When did he say "we clean ourselves up"?

He didn't. YOU did. Which is a strawman.

BTW, you also have repentance wrong.