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    For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them gain unto repentence; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
    Hebrews 6:4-6

    According to Acts 19:2-6 receiving the Holy Ghost was associated with believing.

    He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? Acts 2:2

    For God so loved the world that He gave His Only Begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him Should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

    If I'm reading Hebrew 6:4-6 correctly, repentence and faith are bound together. There can't be a saving faith without true repentence.
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    2 Corinthians 7:10
    For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
    Isaiah 40:8
    The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

    Psalm 119:105
    Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.

    Romans 1:16
    For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.




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    Quote Originally Posted by GracethroughfaithinChrist View Post
    2 Corinthians 7:10
    For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

    New International Version
    Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.

    New Living Translation
    For the kind of sorrow God wants us to experience leads us away from sin and results in salvation. There's no regret for that kind of sorrow. But worldly sorrow, which lacks repentance, results in spiritual death.

    English Standard Version
    For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.

    Berean Study Bible
    Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation without regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.

    New American Standard Bible
    For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death.

    I seem to recall you know about these other translations. Uhh-huh.
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    If a hypothetical situation is used, that does not necessitate that it were possible.

    For example, If I could fly....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ComeLordJesus View Post

    If I'm reading Hebrew 6:4-6 correctly, repentence and faith are bound together. There can't be a saving faith without true repentence.
    This is correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mem View Post
    If a hypothetical situation is used, that does not necessitate that it were possible.

    For example, If I could fly....
    What hypothetical situation?

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    Acts 3:19, "Repent therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out; that times of refreshing may come from the presence of YHWH."

    Psalms 51:10-11, “Create in me a clean heart, O Mighty One, And renew a steadfast spirit within me. Do not cast me away from Your presence, And do not take Your Set-apart Spirit from me.”


    1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”
    Mt5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

    Rev21:1-2, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

    Rom3:28, "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the Law."

    Rom3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by ComeLordJesus View Post
    What hypothetical situation?
    The one referred to and unlined in your OP, a situation that if a partaker shall (future tense of should, if I'm not mistaken) of the Holy Ghost falls away... keeping in mind the the context of the entire chapter is to quit fussing over the question of salvation (milk) and move on into the meatier concerns (walking).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mem View Post
    The one referred to and unlined in your OP, a situation that if a partaker shall (future tense of should, if I'm not mistaken) of the Holy Ghost falls away... keeping in mind the the context of the entire chapter is to quit fussing over the question of salvation (milk) and move on into the meatier concerns (walking).
    For we are made partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end​. Hebrews 3:14
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    Quote Originally Posted by ComeLordJesus View Post
    For we are made partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end​. Hebrews 3:14
    and that is not impossible, as it is especially facilitated once if we stop questioning it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mem View Post
    and that is not impossible, as it is especially facilitated once if we stop questioning it.
    That makes no sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComeLordJesus View Post
    For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them gain unto repentence; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
    Hebrews 6:4-6

    According to Acts 19:2-6 receiving the Holy Ghost was associated with believing.

    He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? Acts 2:2

    For God so loved the world that He gave His Only Begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him Should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16

    If I'm reading Hebrew 6:4-6 correctly, repentence and faith are bound together. There can't be a saving faith without true repentence.

    Repentance parsed
    Jesus make Peter a promise in Matthew 16:19. The keys to the Kingdom. Peter uses these's keys the first time on the Temple Mt. At Pentecost as he preaches Christ to Jews ONLY. The door of salvation is opened & 3000 souls are saved.

    Here in Acts, Peter uses the Keys again. While preaching Christ to these GENTILES they are filled with the Holy Spirit

    Acts 10: 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all them which heard the word.
    (NOTE: They Believed (vs43) & as Petr spoke (vs44) The Holy Spirit fell on then. NO repentance, NO water baptism, NO law keeping etc)

    Thru Faith & faith alone these gentiles received the baptism of/were SEALED by, the Holy Spirit (vs45)

    45 And they of the circumcision (JEWS) which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Spirit.
    (NOTE: The circumcision/JEWS were flabbergasted at the Gentile H/S out pouring. Why? Jn 18:28 the judgment hall in this vs is all GENTILE. Gentiles were considered so ungodly/unclean (commonly referred to as dogs) being in their presence could make a Jew ceremonially unclean.

    Look at what Peter tell Cornenlius the Roman Gentile soldier:

    Acts 10:28 Peter said unto them, Ye know how that it is an """unlawful""" thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean
    (NOTE: Peter say's, """IT'S UNLAWFUL""" for a Jew to keep company with Gentiles)

    Acts 11:18 is a direct comment to what happend in Acts 10. Where Gentiles were saved & given the SEAL of salvation = The Holy Spirit. Without any repentance of anykind

    Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles "granted" repentance unto life.
    (NOTE: It was these Gentiles FAITH that lead to the stated "GRANTED REPENTANCE" mentioned in Acts 11:18)

    Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
    (NOTE: After repentance the article "toward" God. No mention of repentance to remove sin. It's faith in Christ's redemptive atoning sacrifice that REMOVES sin 1 Jn1:7, Eph 1:7, Col 1:14, Heb 10:4, Rev 1:5)

    For the NT Body of Christ/church - Repentance come's after salvation and is a result/proof of one's FAITH

    Romans 1:5 Through him we received grace & apostleship "to call all the Gentiles to the obedience" "that comes from faith" for his name’s sake.
    (NOTE: Faith leads to obedience)

    Romans 16:26 but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, "so that all the Gentiles might come to the obedience" "that comes from faith"
    (NOTE: Gentiles are brought to obedience/repentance by Faith)

    When Faith is your root. Repentance/Obedience will be your fruit.

    Finally:

    Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    (NOTE: Grace is a GIFT, accesed thru FAITH. Also see Rom 5:2 (A) we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand)

    I Cor 15:1-4 NO REPENTANCE MENTIONED

    Rom 10:8-15 NO REPENTANCE MENTIONED

    Ehp 1:13 NO REPENTANCE MENTIONED

    When we trust/rest in Christ, God works. When we trust & work ourselves, Gods Rests.

    Faith in Christ's redemptive sin atoning work. That not only purges us from sin. It produces repentance from dead works/fruit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingDove View Post
    Repentance parsed
    Jesus make Peter a promise in Matthew 16:19. The keys to the Kingdom. Peter uses these's keys the first time on the Temple Mt. At Pentecost as he preaches Christ to Jews ONLY. The door of salvation is opened & 3000 souls are saved.

    Here in Acts, Peter uses the Keys again. While preaching Christ to these GENTILES they are filled with the Holy Spirit

    Acts 10: 44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all them which heard the word.
    (NOTE: They Believed (vs43) & as Petr spoke (vs44) The Holy Spirit fell on then. NO repentance, NO water baptism, NO law keeping etc)

    Thru Faith & faith alone these gentiles received the baptism of/were SEALED by, the Holy Spirit (vs45)

    45 And they of the circumcision (JEWS) which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Spirit.
    (NOTE: The circumcision/JEWS were flabbergasted at the Gentile H/S out pouring. Why? Jn 18:28 the judgment hall in this vs is all GENTILE. Gentiles were considered so ungodly/unclean (commonly referred to as dogs) being in their presence could make a Jew ceremonially unclean.

    Look at what Peter tell Cornenlius the Roman Gentile soldier:

    Acts 10:28 Peter said unto them, Ye know how that it is an """unlawful""" thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean
    (NOTE: Peter say's, """IT'S UNLAWFUL""" for a Jew to keep company with Gentiles)

    Acts 11:18 is a direct comment to what happend in Acts 10. Where Gentiles were saved & given the SEAL of salvation = The Holy Spirit. Without any repentance of anykind

    Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles "granted" repentance unto life.
    (NOTE: It was these Gentiles FAITH that lead to the stated "GRANTED REPENTANCE" mentioned in Acts 11:18)

    Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
    (NOTE: After repentance the article "toward" God. No mention of repentance to remove sin. It's faith in Christ's redemptive atoning sacrifice that REMOVES sin 1 Jn1:7, Eph 1:7, Col 1:14, Heb 10:4, Rev 1:5)

    For the NT Body of Christ/church - Repentance come's after salvation and is a result/proof of one's FAITH

    Romans 1:5 Through him we received grace & apostleship "to call all the Gentiles to the obedience" "that comes from faith" for his name’s sake.
    (NOTE: Faith leads to obedience)

    Romans 16:26 but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, "so that all the Gentiles might come to the obedience" "that comes from faith"
    (NOTE: Gentiles are brought to obedience/repentance by Faith)

    When Faith is your root. Repentance/Obedience will be your fruit.

    Finally:

    Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    (NOTE: Grace is a GIFT, accesed thru FAITH. Also see Rom 5:2 (A) we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand)

    I Cor 15:1-4 NO REPENTANCE MENTIONED

    Rom 10:8-15 NO REPENTANCE MENTIONED

    Ehp 1:13 NO REPENTANCE MENTIONED

    When we trust/rest in Christ, God works. When we trust & work ourselves, Gods Rests.

    Faith in Christ's redemptive sin atoning work. That not only purges us from sin. It produces repentance from dead works/fruit.
    Read the OP again, it's about people that have fallen away. GracethroughfaithinChristposted 2Cor. 7:10 and people are made to know a godly sorrow which worketh repentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ComeLordJesus View Post
    Read the OP again, it's about people that have fallen away. GracethroughfaithinChristposted 2Cor. 7:10 and people are made to know a godly sorrow which worketh repentence.
    Are there scriptural examples of any that received the Holy Ghost and then fell away, with specifics to each particular event (receiving Holy Ghost and also the same individual then falling away, without any inference from assumptions, that is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ComeLordJesus View Post
    For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them gain unto repentence; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shameHebrews 6:4-6
    What this passage is saying is that if those who have been genuinely saved and received the gift of the Holy Spirit shall "fall away" -- depart from the truth, turn their backs on Christ and God, and become apostates -- they cannot be brought back to repentance.

    So the issue become one of whether it is even possible for this to happen, and because it is a hypothetical, Paul concludes this discourse by saying " But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. (v 9).

    In other words it is a warning to all Christians to hold fast to their faith, and to Christ, with the full assurance that the Holy Spirit dwells within them and that they are children of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nehemiah6 View Post
    What this passage is saying is that if those who have been genuinely saved and received the gift of the Holy Spirit shall "fall away" -- depart from the truth, turn their backs on Christ and God, and become apostates -- they cannot be brought back to repentance.

    So the issue become one of whether it is even possible for this to happen, and because it is a hypothetical, Paul concludes this discourse by saying " But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. (v 9).

    In other words it is a warning to all Christians to hold fast to their faith, and to Christ, with the full assurance that the Holy Spirit dwells within them and that they are children of God.
    Yes!... and to give no one opportunity to wrest this assurance from them to successfuly 'rob' them of it by attempting to plant doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mem View Post
    Are there scriptural examples of any that received the Holy Ghost and then fell away, with specifics to each particular event (receiving Holy Ghost and also the same individual then falling away, without any inference from assumptions, that is?
    There is 2Thess.2:3 which talks about a falling away unless you want to infer that Paul is assuming this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ComeLordJesus View Post
    There is 2Thess.2:3 which talks about a falling away unless you want to infer that Paul is assuming this.
    I'm not inferring Paul is speaking of the falling away is of those that have received "the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." (Ephesians 4:30). Are you?

    I do believe the definition apostate, here, is simply a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle. Such as exampled by the subject, the man of lawlessness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mem View Post
    I'm not inferring Paul is speaking of the falling away is of those that have received "the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." (Ephesians 4:30). Are you?

    I do believe the definition apostate, here, is simply a person who renounces a religious or political belief or principle. Such as exampled by the subject, the man of lawlessness.
    Since Paul says we "beseech you, brethren" Thess. 2:1 Why in God's name would he be worried about anyone other than Christians? I hardly doubt that the man of sin is what Paul is talking about.

    But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief in the truth. v.13
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