The 66 Books...

[Marcelo]

Are all 66 Books of the Bible the infallible, inerrant Word of G-d?

If not why do you believe in Messiah?

Our Lord Jesus Christ validated the Old Testament Scriptures and this is enough for me.

 

[kaylagrl]

Are all 66 Books of the Bible the infallible, inerrant Word of G-d?

If not why do you believe in Messiah?

​Yes,they are.

 

[jaybird88]

The RCC added books that had not been considered inspired.
Why? Because the added books aligned with their false doctrines.

the RCC had nothing to do with the writers of the LXX, they didnt exist yet. unlike the the Jewish and roman canon councils, there was little political agenda influence on the LXX writers. the ptolemies, at the request of the people, wanted all Jewish scriptures in Greek, thats what they got.

The Roman Catholic Church did not officially canonize the Apocrypha until the Council of Trent (1546 AD). This was in part because the Apocrypha contained material which supported certain Catholic doctrines, such as purgatory, praying for the dead, and the treasury of merit.​

soul purification was taught by Jews hundreds of years before rome became Christian

Not one of them is in the Hebrew language, which was alone used by the inspired historians and poets of the Old Testament.

99% of the NT was in Greek​

The deuterocanonical books had not been considered inspired; at least one of the authors of such even acknowledges that there were no prophets during the intertestate time. Those years are referred to as "silent" and "inter-testate" for a reason.

The deuterocanonical books do not share many of the characteristics of the canonical books: they are not prophetic, there is no supernatural confirmation of any of the apocryphal writers works, there is no predictive prophecy, there is no new Messianic truth revealed, they are not cited as authoritative by any prophetic book written after them, and they even acknowledge that there were no prophets in Israel at their time.


And they laid up the stones in the mountain of the temple in a convenient place, till there should come a prophet, and give answer concerning them. (1 Maccabees 4:46)

And there was a great tribulation in Israel, such as was not since the day, that there was no prophet seen in Israel. (1 Maccabees 9:27)

And that the Jews, and their priests, had consented that he should be their prince, and high priest for ever, till there should arise a faithful prophet. (1 Maccabees 14:41)

And that the Jews, and their priests, had consented that he should be their prince, and high priest for ever, till there should arise a faithful prophet. (1 Maccabees 9:27)​

Jesus teaching on a tree and its fruit is found in Sirach and no where else in the canon of scripture.

Neither Jews nor even early Catholics accepted them as inspired. Josephus explicitly rejected the Apocrypha, as did Jerome, Origen, Cyril of Jerusalem, and Athanasius.

Josephus does not reject the Apocrypha. he holds to the pharisee canon as accepted by the pharisees and himself being as he was a pharisee, but this is not a rejection of any books outside of that.

When Jesus cited the scope of Scripture, it did not include the deuterocanonical texts either, encompassing

“... the blood of Abel [Genesis 4:8] to the blood of Zechariah [2 Chron. 24:20], who was killed between the altar and the house of God; yes, I tell you, it shall be charged against this generation." (Luke 11:51; Matthew. 23:35) [Chronicles was the last book according to the arrangement of the Jewish Scriptures.]

the LXX was widely circulated at the time, neither Jesus, James, Paul or any of the 12 speak out against them.

The Dead Sea Scrolls do not contain commentaries on the Apocrypha as they do for the Jewish Old Testament books, and they do not cite the Apocrypha authoritatively as scripture.

The Manual of Discipline in the Dead Sea Scrolls rejected the apocrypha as inspired.​

there are many canon books the Essenes did not write theology on, doesnt make them false. there was a hymn from Sirach found within one of the Psalms scrolls. the Essenes never in a million years would let a non Jewish scripture touch a Jewish sacred scripture.

Not one of the writers lays any claim to inspiration. These books were never acknowledged as sacred Scriptures by the Jewish Church, and therefore were never sanctioned by our Lord.

They were not allowed a place among the sacred books, during the first four centuries of the Christian Church.

They contain fabulous statements, and statements which contradict not only the canonical Scriptures, but themselves; as when, in the two Books of Maccabees, Antiochus Epiphanes is made to die three different deaths in as many different places.

The Apocrypha inculcates doctrines at variance with the Bible, such as prayers for the dead and sinless perfection.

The apocrypha contains offensive materials unbecoming of God's authorship.

The apocryphal books themselves make reference to what we call the Silent 400 years, where there was no prophets of God to write inspired materials.

Josephus rejected the apocryphal books as inspired,

and this reflected Jewish thought at the time of Jesus.​

"From Artexerxes to our own time the complete history has been written but has not been deemed worthy of equal credit with the earlier records because of the failure of the exact succession of the prophets." ... "We have not an innumerable multitude of books among us, disagreeing from and contradicting one another, but only twenty-two books, which contain the records of all the past times; which are justly believed to be divine..."(Flavius Josephus, Against Apion 1:8)

The Council of Jamnia held the same view rejected the apocrypha as inspired. They debated the canonicity of a few books (e.g., Ecclesiastes), but they changed nothing and never proclaimed themselves to be authoritative determiners of the Old Testament canon. "The books which they decided to acknowledge as canonical were already generally accepted.

*I was going to post this a few times before, in another thread, but my computer was having problems that prevented me from completion... there is more to add, so I encourage you to do some more research. Sources are missing, though some of the above is from CARM.

the council of Jemna was a pharisee council and was a response to the new Jewish sect called Christians that where a threat to their influence. why did these guys all of a sudden want the apocrypha out of their scriptures?​

 

[James37]

the original books were.

Are you referring to the manuscripts that most likely turned to dust and no man living has ever seen?

 

[James37]

this is gonna sound crazy but IMO we put way to much into whats scripture and whats not. Jesus teaches ask, seek, knock and the Father will lead you right where you need to be. He doesnt mention a specific set of scriptures needed to do this. i think one could go out in the woods, no bible, pray, fast, meditate, and Yeshua will be right there with you.

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.” (John 12:48)

I don't think your opinion is biblical.

 

[Nehemiah6]

the council of Jemna was a pharisee council and was a response to the new Jewish sect called Christians that where a threat to their influence. why did these guys all of a sudden want the apocrypha out of their scriptures?

The Council of Jamnia (not Jemna) has been misrepresented. They did NOT meet to establish the OT canon (which had already long been established and confirmed as established by Christ). They met to discuss Ecclesiastes and Song of Solomon.

The Old Testament Canon: The council of Jamnia: 90 AD

 

[jaybird88]

The Council of Jamnia (not Jemna) has been misrepresented. They did NOT meet to establish the OT canon (which had already long been established and confirmed as established by Christ). They met to discuss Ecclesiastes and Song of Solomon.

The Old Testament Canon: The council of Jamnia: 90 AD

where did Jesus list the books of the Hebrew bible?