the 1000 yr reign

lancaster · Jan 2, 2018

People are apt to accept doctrines from the world that they fail to examine in the light of Scripture. These are stumbling blocks to the growth of the church.
In Matthew the 13[SUP]th[/SUP] chapter our Lord says that the tares would grow together with the wheat until the time of harvest, which He declares in the 40[SUP]th[/SUP] verse is the end of the world. We discover how erroneous, and unscriptural is the teaching that the Gospel will yet win the world to Christ. At the time of harvest the world is still a mixed field with tares and wheat and this fact refutes all grounds for supposing that before our Lord returns the tares will be all rooted up or changed into wheat. Instead of the tares being transformed into wheat before a Millennium is ushered in, we are told that at the time of harvest the tares are bound into bunches and afterward cast into the fire -- a very different picture than that of the children of the Wicked One being reconciled to God! Consider the words "Let both grow together till the harvest" two solemn facts are revealed -- first, Satan shall continue to hinder the success of the Gospel without interruption till the end of the age; and second, the counterfeit Christian church shall continue thus to the close of the dispensation. And thus Finally, be it observed, that in the casting of the tares -- the children of the Wicked One -- into the furnace of fire, we learn that this world closes, at the second coming of Christ, not with the universal reception of the Gospel but with Divine judgment upon the wicked!
If you believe that Christ is coming to set up a future kingdom of 1000 Yrs on this earth, there are several things to consider:
• You must necessarily believe that the natural creation will continue, beyond the time of Christ's second coming, that it will be still be under the curse imposed by the Fall of man, and that Satan will still be around.
• If you believe in a future 1000 year rein then you must necessarily believe that unbelievers will not be finally resurrected until at least 1,000 years after the return of Christ.
• You must necessarily believe that physical death will continue to exist beyond the time of Christ's second coming

• You must necessarily believe that unbelieving men and women will still have the opportunity to come to saving faith in Christ for at least 1,000 years during the millennium.
• You must necessarily believe that the New Heavens and New Earth will not be introduced until 1,000 years after the return of Christ.
• You must necessarily believe that unbelievers will not be finally judged and cast into eternal punishment until at least 1,000 years subsequent to the return of Christ (consider the following scriptures).
As concerning things that happen at the coming of the Lord consider the following scriptures.
Scripture indicates to us that we should only be looking for one more coming of Christ Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

The coming of Christ, the end of this world, the resurrection of all that are in the graves, and the Judgment are all to take place at the same time according to scripture. 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words (This narrative continues in the 5th chapter and describes other things that happen at Christ’s coming).
1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief (in the following scriptures Peter uses the same terminology “as a thief in the night to describe the coming of the Lord).
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction (second death) from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

The preceding scriptures indicate that the world does not continue beyond the coming of the Lord.

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming (Christ the first fruits, is the first resurrection and starts in the following scripture).
Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many (This first resurrection also includes these mentioned in the following scriptures). Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespass.

The second resurrection is at the coming of Christ mentioned here in John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

This is the first and the second resurrection at the coming of Christ for Paul only mentions two resurrections Christ the first-fruits and then they that are Christs at His coming when all that are in the graves will come forth.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

So then at the coming of the Lord there will be no opportunity for the unjust to become just. Or the filthy to become clean.

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. (It is apparent from these scriptures that when Jesus comes that the world will end and judgment will ensue this scripture in Matt. 25:46 is the second death).

garee · Jan 2, 2018

A literal thousand years to me it would seem like trying to place a square key into a round hole and hope it would open...

Thanks for your work.

There is only one last day where in the twinkling of the eye the final judgement and the goal of our faith as we receive our new incorruptible bodies as one work simultaneously .

John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Five times in John six he uses the phrase last day in the same way.

The believer will not be judged for His works. He is sleeping in lieu of waking up on the last day. Christ took on that condemnation . To try him again would be double jeopardy.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now "no condemnation" to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The thousand in that verse represents a unknown amount of time. It is used in amy parables in that way, The unseen Spirit of Christ will come on the last day .Like a thif in the night to those who are not watching for his coming .
The same last day Job spoke of. The old things will not be remembered or ever come to mind.

Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

Depleted · Jan 2, 2018

My Lord reigns eternally!!!

notuptome · Jan 2, 2018

During the millennial reign of Christ there will be no death. This is why men will revolt against Christ at the end of the millennium.

Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent’s meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Ahwatukee · Jan 2, 2018

Good day and Happy New Year Roger! Actually, there will be death during the millennial reign, albeit the life span will be like it was prior to the flood with people living to be eight and nine hundred years old. Scripture gives us a clue regarding this:

"Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; the one who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere child; the one who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed."

It is specified within the information regarding the new heaven and new earth in Rev.21 that it is stated that there will be no more death, pain or sorrow. Also, the reason that men will revolt against God, is because Satan will be released at the end of the thousand years.

lancaster · Jan 2, 2018

The 1000 yrs is a literal 1000 yrs beginning at the cross forwards. Paul speaks of the loosing of satan in 11Thessalonian the second chapter. there are only 2 resurrections The first one is for the ones resurrected with Christ when He rose from the dead the others that are partakers of the first resurrected are the ones that are partakers of the Gospel. Jesus said, He that believeth in me shall never die. In one place he says that they have passed from death unto life. The resurrection at his coming is when all that are in the graves will come forth.

Ahwatukee · Jan 2, 2018

Hello Lancaster,

It is important that we stick with the chronological order of events according to scripture. That said, you are correct in that the thousand years is literal. However, the claim that the thousand years began at the cross poses many problems with the following already having to have taken place:

* The gathering of the church

* The revealing of the antichrist/beast

* The wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and the two witnesses

* Jesus would have had to return to the earth to end the age

* The battle of Armageddon would have already taken place

* The beast and the false prophet would have already be thrown into the lake of fire

* Satan and his angels would have been bound in the Abyss

* The angels would have already had to have gathered the wicked from the four corners of the earth

* The Lord would have had to touch down on the mount of Olives, splitting it in two

* The nations would have had to have beaten their weapons of war into plow shares and pruning hooks

* The judgment of the sheep and the goats would have already taken place

These are just a few things off the top of my head that would have to take place prior to the thousand reign of Christ. It is not until after the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, which is after God's wrath has been poured out, that the millennial period begins. After the thousand years is when Satan is released from the Abyss and is when those people referred to as Gog and Magog march across the earth and surround Jerusalem, where God rains fire upon them. Following that will be the great white throne judgment.

That said and because of the events that must take place prior to the thousand years, that the millennial period could not have possibly come and gone.

Iconoclast · Jan 2, 2018

revelation 20 does not say this reign is on earth;
4 [FONT=&quot]And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]These beheaded saints lived and reigned for the thousand years...it does not say it is on earth.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]

Speak2Me · Jan 2, 2018

I'm gonna go off the wall with this...

The 1000 year reign of Christ is really... Hold on to your hats now...

One thousand years.

How could I dare say such a thing?

How about the fact that "1000 years" is repeated several times?

What about the fact that all the context around these verses is, get this...

literal.

Besides, I don't see John having a problem saying "a really long time" if he needed to.

tourist · Jan 2, 2018

Speak2Me said:

If this is really the 1000 year reign of Christ then, in my opinion, He is not doing a very good job of governing the world.

Nehemiah6 · Jan 2, 2018

The OP is a mass of confusion with everything happening on one day and at the same time. That is NOT ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE.

Ahwatukee has already addressed this, but I will respond to the OP in more detail. Not sure where Lancaster is coming up with this bizarre notions, but people reading these forums need to see that God has laid out things chronologically and logically.

Ahwatukee · Jan 2, 2018

Iconoclast said:

Hello Iconoclast,

That the thousand years will take place on the earth can be garnered from the following scriptures. For example:

"So the angel told her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31Behold, you will conceive and give birth to a son, and you shall give Him the name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David, and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever. His kingdom will never end!”

This is just one of the prophesies regarding Christ ruling from the throne of king David, which would be from Jerusalem during the millennial period. Since Satan will also be thrown into the Abyss, which is under the earth and it states that his imprisonment is for the sake of keeping him from deceiving the nations any more until the thousand years have finished, it would then demonstrate that Christ's thousand year reign will be up this current earth.

Then you also have the following that will take place when the Lord returns to the earth, which also demonstrates that the Lord's millennial reign will take place upon this earth:

"He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore."

Then of course you have Revelation stating that, at the end of the thousand years Satan will be released and he will gather Gog and Magog and they will march across the breadth of the earth and surround the camp of God's people, the city that he loves. Again, this happens at the end of the thousand years, which definitely shows that the millennial kingdom will be here on earth.

Bladerunner · Jan 2, 2018

lancaster said:

People are apt to accept doctrines from the world that they fail to examine in the light of Scripture. These are stumbling blocks to the growth of the church.
In Matthew the 13[SUP]th[/SUP] chapter our Lord says that the tares would grow together with the wheat until the time of harvest, which He declares in the 40[SUP]th[/SUP] verse is the end of the world. We discover how erroneous, and unscriptural is the teaching that the Gospel will yet win the world to Christ. At the time of harvest the world is still a mixed field with tares and wheat and this fact refutes all grounds for supposing that before our Lord returns the tares will be all rooted up or changed into wheat. Instead of the tares being transformed into wheat before a Millennium is ushered in, we are told that at the time of harvest the tares are bound into bunches and afterward cast into the fire -- a very different picture than that of the children of the Wicked One being reconciled to God! Consider the words "Let both grow together till the harvest" two solemn facts are revealed -- first, Satan shall continue to hinder the success of the Gospel without interruption till the end of the age; and second, the counterfeit Christian church shall continue thus to the close of the dispensation. And thus Finally, be it observed, that in the casting of the tares -- the children of the Wicked One -- into the furnace of fire, we learn that this world closes, at the second coming of Christ, not with the universal reception of the Gospel but with Divine judgment upon the wicked!
If you believe that Christ is coming to set up a future kingdom of 1000 Yrs on this earth, there are several things to consider:
• You must necessarily believe that the natural creation will continue, beyond the time of Christ's second coming, that it will be still be under the curse imposed by the Fall of man, and that Satan will still be around.
• If you believe in a future 1000 year rein then you must necessarily believe that unbelievers will not be finally resurrected until at least 1,000 years after the return of Christ.
• You must necessarily believe that physical death will continue to exist beyond the time of Christ's second coming

• You must necessarily believe that unbelieving men and women will still have the opportunity to come to saving faith in Christ for at least 1,000 years during the millennium.
• You must necessarily believe that the New Heavens and New Earth will not be introduced until 1,000 years after the return of Christ.
• You must necessarily believe that unbelievers will not be finally judged and cast into eternal punishment until at least 1,000 years subsequent to the return of Christ (consider the following scriptures).
As concerning things that happen at the coming of the Lord consider the following scriptures.
Scripture indicates to us that we should only be looking for one more coming of Christ Heb 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

The coming of Christ, the end of this world, the resurrection of all that are in the graves, and the Judgment are all to take place at the same time according to scripture. 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words (This narrative continues in the 5th chapter and describes other things that happen at Christ’s coming).
1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief (in the following scriptures Peter uses the same terminology “as a thief in the night to describe the coming of the Lord).
2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction (second death) from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

The preceding scriptures indicate that the world does not continue beyond the coming of the Lord.

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming (Christ the first fruits, is the first resurrection and starts in the following scripture).
Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many (This first resurrection also includes these mentioned in the following scriptures). Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespass.

The second resurrection is at the coming of Christ mentioned here in John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

This is the first and the second resurrection at the coming of Christ for Paul only mentions two resurrections Christ the first-fruits and then they that are Christs at His coming when all that are in the graves will come forth.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

So then at the coming of the Lord there will be no opportunity for the unjust to become just. Or the filthy to become clean.

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. (It is apparent from these scriptures that when Jesus comes that the world will end and judgment will ensue this scripture in Matt. 25:46 is the second death).

It really does not matter what I think about the millennium. I am not going to be there. Rem, the Millennium is the Kingdom of Jesus Christ that Jesus is teaching his apostles prior to his crucifixion in 32 AD. Jesus was teaching to the Jews as was John the Baptist. As a Christian, I firmly believe we (the Church or Body of Christ) will be Raptured (beyond a doubt) and Israel, the Nation who is slated to go through Jacob's troubles or Daniel's 70th week will have their day.

The Gentiles will either (convert and die) in the Name of Jesus Christ or will most likely die during this dispensation period. Of the Jewish population at the beginning of Daniel's 70th week, only 1/3 of them will live though it. There are roughly 8.8 million living in Israel today and several more million around the world. To have 2/3 die is far more than the 6 million who died under the veil of WWII.

Jesus's ministry was for the Jews only!

Ellsworth1943 · Jan 2, 2018

Bladerunner said:

It really does not matter what I think about the millennium. I am not going to be there. Rem, the Millennium is the Kingdom of Jesus Christ that Jesus is teaching his apostles prior to his crucifixion in 32 AD. Jesus was teaching to the Jews as was John the Baptist. As a Christian, I firmly believe we (the Church or Body of Christ) will be Raptured (beyond a doubt) and Israel, the Nation who is slated to go through Jacob's troubles or Daniel's 70th week will have their day.

The Gentiles will either (convert and die) in the Name of Jesus Christ or will most likely die during this dispensation period. Of the Jewish population at the beginning of Daniel's 70th week, only 1/3 of them will live though it. There are roughly 8.8 million living in Israel today and several more million around the world. To have 2/3 die is far more than the 6 million who died under the veil of WWII.

Jesus's ministry was for the Jews only!

Rev. 20:6

I will be there.

Nehemiah6 · Jan 2, 2018

lancaster said:

The world is not interested in end-time events, and as it was in the days of Noah so shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man.

Once we see that “the end of the world” means the end of the age, things become a lot clearer.

Strong's Concordance
aión: a space of time, an age
Original Word: αἰών, ῶνος, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aión
Phonetic Spelling: (ahee-ohn')
Short Definition: an age, a cycle of time
Definition: an age, a cycle (of time), especially of the present age as contrasted with the future age, and of one of a series of ages stretching to infinity.

No Christian who knows the Bible would make such an assertion. The world will NOT be won to Christ, but the end of the age will be when the Gospel has been preached throughout the world (Mt 24:14): And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Some claim that “the Gospel of the Kingdom” is not the same as “the Gospel of God” but there is indeed only one Gospel.

A parable is a parable, and one must not stretch it too far beyond the lesson it teaches. The tares as false professors (people calling themselves Christians but not having Christ within) and the wheat is the Church (born-again believers). The point of the parable is that the tares will suffer a fiery judgment at the appropriate time. Therefore God does not judge false Christians until the final judgment at the Great White Throne. That is long after the second coming of Christ.

This may be the teaching of Universalism, but it is certainly not what Christians believe. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, and after this the judgment (Heb 9:27).

You got that right, but long after the second coming of Christ.

Only if you disregard what is revealed in Revelation 20. Satan will be bound for that 1,000 year period, then loosed for a season, then cast into the Lake of Fire.

Perfectly correct and according to Scripture.

Again, perfectly correct, since death and Hades are abolished after the Great White Throne Judgment, and that is well beyond the second coming of Christ.

Incorrect. So far as we can see, all the unbelieving and the ungodly will have already been judged through the Tribulation, the Great Tribulation, and at the battle of Armageddon. So only those who are believers will go into the Millennium, since it is a time of universal peace and righteousness.

The Millennium is a “preview” of what will be on earth after the New Heavens and the New Earth are established.

Correct, and already addressed.

Correct. The Resurrection/Rapture cannot be regarded as a “coming” of Christ to the earth since He comes “in the air” and returns to Heaven immediately. So there is only one second coming, when He comes WITH His saints and angels and “with power and great glory”.

This is where you are totally mistaken or thoroughly confused. The very fact that the “first resurrection” is separated from “the resurrection of damnation” by at least 1,000 years confirms that everything cannot possibly happen “at the same time”.

This applies to the Pre-Tribulation Resurrection/Rapture.

This indicates that the Day of the Lord has nothing to do with the Church, since it is a period of severe judgments on the unbelieving and the ungodly.

Here Peter includes the final supernatural burning up on the heavens and the hearth in “the Day of the Lord”, but this can only happen after the second coming of Christ and the Millennium (Rev 21:1): And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

This is indeed a description of the second coming of Christ with His saints and angels and “with power and great glory”. So as you can see, all these Scripture are related, but they are all meant to be placed in a proper chronological sequence.

Speak2Me · Jan 2, 2018

tourist said:

Friend, The millenium hasn't happened yet. That's preterist teachings

Bladerunner · Jan 2, 2018

Ellsworth1943 said:

I wish you well and luck my friend.

Iconoclast · Jan 2, 2018

Ahwatukee;

,Hello my friend...

Peter says this;
acts2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

2 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

Yes...THe Heavenly Zion and Jerusalem:
22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire.

This does not say Jesus is on earth, none of the verses do...

Paul quotes isa 17 times from Romans 9-15...speaking of these passages as fulfilled in the gospel age...now:
[FONT=&quot]8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.[/FONT]

It does not show Jesus on earth...He is ruling from Heaven now.

Nehemiah6 · Jan 3, 2018

Did you know that if Christ were indeed "ruling" from Heaven now, the Kingdom of God would also be established on earth, which means that none of the sin and evil and atrocities we hear about would exist? In fact this world would be TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

It is one thing to say that God and Christ are sovereign over this universe. It is quite another matter to claim that Jesus is ruling on this earth right now. Satan would not be on the loose if that were the case. Check Revelation 20.

Adstar · Jan 3, 2018

No... I believe in the thousand year kingdom on earth and i believe during those 1000 years satan will be bound in chains in the bottomless pit... As the inspired infallible Word of God says in the Book of Revelation::

Revelation 20: KJV
1 "And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. {2} And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, {3} And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."

I believe the above portion of scriptures.. Do you?

Yes because there are two resurrections.. One at the return of the LORD Jesus Christ and one after the end of the 1000 years.. The first reasurection is for true believers of the LORD Jesus Christ::

Revelation 20: KJV
4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. {5} But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. {6} Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

See how clear it is if you just read the Word of God and believe....

Yes indeed it will.. But not for the Saints of god who take part in the first Resurrection.. They will be eternal from that time on and shall rule with Jesus on earth for 1000 Years and will never die ever again.. But those of the nations that survive the wrath will indeed die as the Scriptures reveal.. And in some cases if they disobey the Lord they will be smited by Him by plague during the 1000 years..

Zechariah 14: KJV
16 "¶ And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. {17} And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. {18} And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. {19} This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles."

Why do you think The Bible says that the returned LORD Jesus will rule the nations with an IRON ROD ... Do you think Jesus is going to striking His beloved Saints in his kingdom with an Iron rod ??

Revelation 19: KJV
{15} And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. {16} And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

If the people of the nations are all wiped out how can Jesus cause them to worship at our feet..

Revelation 3: KJV
9 "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."

Not necessarily.. I will leave it up to God how people of those times come to have eternal life with God.. But anyway there is no problem if they are saved by believing Jesus and trusting in the atonement He secured for their salvation..

True and i do.. The Bible says::

Revelation 20: KJV
{7} And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, {8} And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. {9} And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. {10} And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. {11} And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. {12} And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. {13} And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. {14} And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. {15} And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." Revelation 21 KJV:1"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea."

See how it all fits in as the Book of Revelation shows it does... First the 1000 years ends note satan is then released from the bottomless pit .. Note also He was cast into it at the beginning of the 1000 years when Jesus returned and cast him into it.. Then the final judgement where you see people are raised from the dead.. Note this is not called the first Resurrection.. which the Saints will take part in on the day of the return of Jesus.. And then we end with the new earth and New heaven coming... All neat all revealed in the Book of Revelation.. Do you wonder why it is called The Book of Revelation??? It reveals things.

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