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    Default Re: Did God tell a lie? (Genesis 2-3)

    They did have to take of the Tree of Life.. But since Christ did not pay the price yet. Id say spiritually they could have been considered dead in that sense.


    God informs Adam an Eve again of their death :
    Genesis 3:19 "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

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    Best to say, what did God mean when He said...

    Rather than asking if God sinned by lying.
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    Believers in humble circumstances ought to take pride in their high position. 10 But the rich should take pride in their humiliation—since they will pass away like a wild flower. 11 For the sun rises with scorching heat and withers the plant; its blossom falls and its beauty is destroyed. In the same way, the rich will fade away even while they go about their business.
    12 Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him.

    When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. 15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by breno785au View Post
    Best to say, what did God mean when He said...

    Rather than asking if God sinned by lying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devin02 View Post
    In Genesis 2 when God is instructing Adam that he can't eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil he says if you eat from the tree "you shall surely die" (Verse 17). So how come they didn't die when they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil as God said they would?
    You need to understand the meaning of death and the second death.
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    In Genesis 2:17, the words "thou shalt surely die" are translated from the same Hebrew word muwth (Strong's H4191). The word muwth is repeated in the text and the repetition is used for emphasis.

    Another rendering of the verse is: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof muwth muwth (dying thou shalt die).

    In other words, there was a death that occurred at the time Adam / Eve ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, which triggered their eventual physical death.
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    Has anyone noticed how when we get saved The Lord raises up our SPIRIT immediately? He puts a new spirit in us and we are spiritually alive. But it takes time to work out the salvation of our souls (minds & emotions). And we await the resurrection of the dead for our bodies to be made alive and perfect. So the Spirit is affected first, the rest takes time.

    Seems to work the same in reverse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devin02 View Post
    In Genesis 2 when God is instructing Adam that he can't eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil he says if you eat from the tree "you shall surely die" (Verse 17). So how come they didn't die when they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil as God said they would?
    Did Adam and Eve not die? The cemeteries around the world and the fact that an average of 153,424 people die each day should attest to this truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devin02 View Post
    In Genesis 2 when God is instructing Adam that he can't eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil he says if you eat from the tree "you shall surely die" (Verse 17). So how come they didn't die when they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil as God said they would?
    They died immediately according to God: Adam was not a physical body, He was to be eternal, a living being in fellowship with God. We lack wisdom but don't think the physical was meant to be eternal.
    Look as some examples "Lazarus is sleeping," Lazarus was dead according to us.
    Lazarus was a friend Jesus so a friend of God, He was not dead according to God.
    Dearth is separation from the Love of God
    Another example that few understand is Jesus was separated fro the Father in the Garden of Gethsemane.
    The day of His suffering in the body, also considered in hell. Most cant wrap their minds around that: cant grasp that.
    Yet it's the only way His death ads up to 3 evening and morning.
    Adan Chose to live for himself and make His wife his god, to eat what she gave him: he was not deceived, the woman was.
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    Default Re: Did God tell a lie? (Genesis 2-3)

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy-Pevensie View Post
    Has anyone noticed how when we get saved The Lord raises up our SPIRIT immediately? He puts a new spirit in us and we are spiritually alive. But it takes time to work out the salvation of our souls (minds & emotions). And we await the resurrection of the dead for our bodies to be made alive and perfect. So the Spirit is affected first, the rest takes time.

    Seems to work the same in reverse.
    Right. At present, we are being conformed to the image of His Son (Rom 8:29) and there is a time yet future when we shall be like Him for we shall see Him as He is (1 John 3:2). Then we shall know even as also we are known (1 Cor 13:12).

    We can rest assured in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ that what God has promised to us He shall truly cause to come to pass. Every promise God reveals to us is true.


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    Just as we are creatures that must sustain ourselves physically, daily, by the consumption of food and drink, so too I believe that Adam and Eve would have daily fed upon the Tree of Life (Jesus).

    And I believe that God was telling them that if they chose to disregard Jesus, and instead, feed from the other tree which was also right there in the middle of the garden, the Tree of The Knowledge of Good & Evil, (which we now know is seen as "the World's Way"), then the continuing Eternal Life they were created to enjoy through the essence of The Tree of Life...... would cease. From that point on, they would have to try to depend upon the "World's Way" to give them Eternal Life.... (which it cannot)... UNLESS they chose to return to feeding from The Tree of Life (Jesus).

    But, God in His wisdom and love kept them from doing that with the Angelic guard He put at the gate to Eden. I have to assume that He knew Eternal Life for them, now having the knowledge they were never supposed to have, would be an everlasting burden He never intended them to have to bear.

    So, we are now offered Jesus as the new way to return to the garden.... and "coming like children" (innocent and trusting), we do not bring "The Way of The World" with us.
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    almost eloquent, Will...
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldethennew View Post
    almost eloquent, Will...
    Aw, Shucks! (I did feel it was "inspired" as I typed it. And, that doesn't happen to me very often.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willie-T View Post
    Just as we are creatures that must sustain ourselves physically, daily, by the consumption of food and drink, so too I believe that Adam and Eve would have daily fed upon the Tree of Life (Jesus).
    And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." Genesis 3:22

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    It does beg the question since there was no restriction on The Tree of Life, why didn't they eat THAT fruit first?
    Tree of Life. Sounds good. But they passed it up for knowledge.
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    they passed it up for lust...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy-Pevensie View Post
    It does beg the question since there was no restriction on The Tree of Life, why didn't they eat THAT fruit first?
    Tree of Life. Sounds good. But they passed it up for knowledge.
    Yes. We know that sin is a problem of pride and lust: the pride of life, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, which comes from the world.

    So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food (lust of the flesh), and that it was a delight to the eyes (lust of the eyes), and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise (pride of life), she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate. Genesis 3:6

    Elsewhere in Scripture, we are told that fear of death is the cause of slavery (to sin).

    Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, he likewise shared in their humanity, so that through death he could destroy the one who holds the power of death (that is, the devil), and set free those who were held in slavery all their lives by their fear of death. Hebrews 2:14-15

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy-Pevensie View Post
    It does beg the question since there was no restriction on The Tree of Life, why didn't they eat THAT fruit first?
    Tree of Life. Sounds good. But they passed it up for knowledge.
    We have absolutely no knowledge that they had not already been "eating from" the Tree of Life for many years.
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    Default Re: Did God tell a lie? (Genesis 2-3)

    Quote Originally Posted by Willie-T View Post
    We have absolutely no knowledge that they had not already been "eating from" the Tree of Life for many years.
    Happy New Year Willie!

    Just FYI, actually we do know that they had not yet eaten from the tree of life at all as can be garnered from the following scripture:

    "And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." - Genesis 3:22

    It was so that Adam and Eve would not eat from the tree of life and live forever that God expelled them from the garden and having placed an angel to guard the entrance to Eden.
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