Did God tell a lie? (Genesis 2-3)
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No scriptural evidence? OMG you must really believe that you are saved by your faith.
3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged. Rom 3:3-4
Do you really think you can be saved by believing the word of man is the word of God.
For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe. 1 Thess 2:13
So if Paul wrote that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God then did his faith come by the reading the Bible or the work of the LORD? Since faith without works is dead,
And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
Acts 9:[3-4][7]
At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Acts 26:13-14
The ministry of satan is to steal, kill, destroy (John 10:10).
When satan approached Eve, his first question focused Eve's attention on that which had been withheld for the good of mankind. It was not that God was withholding something from Adam/Eve which was beneficial to them. God was trying to protect them from harm (death).
God's Word was Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it (Gen 2:16-27). God focused on every tree of the garden from which man could freely eat.
The first words of satan Hath God said, ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? (Gen 3:1). satan focused on the one tree from which man could not eat.
And, yes, satan did work on Eve's weakness. He lied to her [ye shall not surely die – Gen 3:4]. Then he insinuated that God was withholding something from Eve.
He does the same thing to us to this very day. Tries to get us to question God's Word and God's wonderful lovingkindness to us. Sad to say that, for the most part, satan is successful in his ministry.
I've often wondered what would have happened if the children of Israel had responded differently -- if they had wanted to draw near to God rather than hide their faces from Him.
In Ex 19:6, God told them ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests. God's desire was that all the Israelites would faithfully serve Him and go out to the nations to proclaim His wonderful majesty. The nation was to be established and be a beacon to all the nations of the world.
In 1 Peter 2:9, we are told that we are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light. such an awesome privilege.
Just as God clothed Adam and Eve in Gen 3:21, He clothes us in His righteousness, which is found only in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ – 1 Corinthians 1:30 but of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, Who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption.
When satan approached Eve, his first question focused Eve's attention on that which had been withheld for the good of mankind. It was not that God was withholding something from Adam/Eve which was beneficial to them. God was trying to protect them from harm (death).
God's Word was Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it (Gen 2:16-27). God focused on every tree of the garden from which man could freely eat.
The first words of satan Hath God said, ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? (Gen 3:1). satan focused on the one tree from which man could not eat.
And, yes, satan did work on Eve's weakness. He lied to her [ye shall not surely die – Gen 3:4]. Then he insinuated that God was withholding something from Eve.
He does the same thing to us to this very day. Tries to get us to question God's Word and God's wonderful lovingkindness to us. Sad to say that, for the most part, satan is successful in his ministry.
I've often wondered what would have happened if the children of Israel had responded differently -- if they had wanted to draw near to God rather than hide their faces from Him.
In Ex 19:6, God told them ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests. God's desire was that all the Israelites would faithfully serve Him and go out to the nations to proclaim His wonderful majesty. The nation was to be established and be a beacon to all the nations of the world.
In 1 Peter 2:9, we are told that we are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light. such an awesome privilege.
Just as God clothed Adam and Eve in Gen 3:21, He clothes us in His righteousness, which is found only in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ – 1 Corinthians 1:30 but of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, Who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption.
"Disobedience is sin, even before the law was given.......especially when warned in advance."
"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."
the thing is that sin, is an entity, a spirit, the will of darkness and evil is what sin is, satans will. it was in the world without dispute at the earliest evidence in the bible, at the deception in Genesis 3. Note what satan acchieved, he caused them to disbelieve Gods Word, and then tempted them to choose to disobey it and test His truth. as someone asked " did God lie" that really is a print of what satan began His deception with, " did God really say...surely thats not true" in other words " God is lying to you, its good for you it will make you wise and it will not surely kill you"
inh order to get them to die, he knows he has to get them to eat the fruit. its infallible if they eat it, they will surely die. satan Knows it, His only attack plan is to confuse, create doubt, and offer a different motivation for God telling them the fruit was deadly, its truth of motive is because God loves them and wants them to be safe. satan cant change what God said, so He changes thier minds perception of God and what God said. Gods word is infallibly true and will come to pass, if maniind can learn that truth and live accordingly there is nothing but life ahead.
Gods Word is our Life, it is what will restore us to life to believe it rather than " interpret it" and fit it into theology class.
"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."
the thing is that sin, is an entity, a spirit, the will of darkness and evil is what sin is, satans will. it was in the world without dispute at the earliest evidence in the bible, at the deception in Genesis 3. Note what satan acchieved, he caused them to disbelieve Gods Word, and then tempted them to choose to disobey it and test His truth. as someone asked " did God lie" that really is a print of what satan began His deception with, " did God really say...surely thats not true" in other words " God is lying to you, its good for you it will make you wise and it will not surely kill you"
inh order to get them to die, he knows he has to get them to eat the fruit. its infallible if they eat it, they will surely die. satan Knows it, His only attack plan is to confuse, create doubt, and offer a different motivation for God telling them the fruit was deadly, its truth of motive is because God loves them and wants them to be safe. satan cant change what God said, so He changes thier minds perception of God and what God said. Gods word is infallibly true and will come to pass, if maniind can learn that truth and live accordingly there is nothing but life ahead.
Gods Word is our Life, it is what will restore us to life to believe it rather than " interpret it" and fit it into theology class.
The ministry of satan is to steal, kill, destroy (John 10:10).
When satan approached Eve, his first question focused Eve's attention on that which had been withheld for the good of mankind. It was not that God was withholding something from Adam/Eve which was beneficial to them. God was trying to protect them from harm (death).
God's Word was Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it (Gen 2:16-27). God focused on every tree of the garden from which man could freely eat.
The first words of satan Hath God said, ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? (Gen 3:1). satan focused on the one tree from which man could not eat.
And, yes, satan did work on Eve's weakness. He lied to her [ye shall not surely die – Gen 3:4]. Then he insinuated that God was withholding something from Eve.
He does the same thing to us to this very day. Tries to get us to question God's Word and God's wonderful lovingkindness to us. Sad to say that, for the most part, satan is successful in his ministry.
I've often wondered what would have happened if the children of Israel had responded differently -- if they had wanted to draw near to God rather than hide their faces from Him.
In Ex 19:6, God told them ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests. God's desire was that all the Israelites would faithfully serve Him and go out to the nations to proclaim His wonderful majesty. The nation was to be established and be a beacon to all the nations of the world.
In 1 Peter 2:9, we are told that we are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light. such an awesome privilege.
Just as God clothed Adam and Eve in Gen 3:21, He clothes us in His righteousness, which is found only in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ – 1 Corinthians 1:30 but of Him are ye in Christ Jesus, Who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption.
would you say the bible teaches us that theres nothing we are supposed to do when we come to Christ? im all for glorifying Jesus for what He has done for all who will believe, im also all for gloryfying and Loving Him His way, rather than someone explaining 2000 years later that His words arent relevant. because i believe Jesus, i understand he doesnt force dress me against my will, but He is actually calling me to repentance of sin, and obedience to God. thats what Grace actually does and that is the grace that offers salvation. the grace that empowers us to repent of sin, and learn and follow Jesus Gospel to actually Live right in this world here and now, to actually accept and wear those garments of righteousness, you know those garments are the righteous acts of the saints i Hope? so then those garments of righteousness, are actually actions of righteousness.
revelation 19:8
we all no matter what weve been can come to Jesus and leave that life behind and go live with Him forever, all because of what He did and then freely offered us. what we dont get to do as christians no matter how we want to dissect it, is continue on living the same sinful lives we live that brought us to the cross to begin with. we can say i love Jesus a million times but at some point, this should be in our daily thoughts some of the last words before Jesus went to the cross for us.
john 14:If ye love me, keep my commandments.16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
...v 20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him....v 23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me."
those garments of righteousness come because we take His yoke upon us and learn from Him, as if He is the Lord. the good news isnt that now we dont have to obey God lol its that now, we can live even beyond the sentance of death, that adam brought to man. adam led mankind into sin, Jesus came to call us to repentance, His way saves because it leads to our repentance and salvation.
Luke 5:32 " I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."
the whole purpose of the gospel is to bring peolle into the obedience of Jesus Christ, you are right, God will do it, but what He does is make you able to do what you are supposed to do, its His power in you but it enables us to do the things we couldnt without Him. we still can choose Life, or death.
eccl 12:7 " Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
hebrews 9:27 " And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
why is man appointed to die once?
Genesis 3 : And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;,......v 19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."
this applies to adam and all His seed. this is the curse Jesus came to take away for us, its why He died in our place, the reason it was necassary for Him to die, is because mankind was put under that curse by adam, and the will of satan who subjected us to temptation. if a person really asks the question " what sense does it make that Jesus had to die, in order to save us?" it becomes clearer. when you notice adam was made the ruler from the start over the earth and is the source of all mankind through His seed. so redemption comes through the Christ, born a man in order to save us from the raging fire we caused on earth ith our dominion.
a man cursed us into death, so a man had to take that curse upon Himself and overcome sin and death in order to redeem the creation unto God. we fell by adam and are raised by Christ. we die once because of our blood from adam, the first creations ruler and we will live even still because of the blood of Jesus Christ the eternal Lord of Gods new and eternal creation that were promised after the destruction of this one because of adams dominion and rule corrupted by satans will. the earth is already condemned and will take part in the first death the curse of adam if they do not take part in Christ.
2 peter 3 : .But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in allholy conversation and godliness, 12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."
our hope is beyond this place and should be because it is all condemned to destruction.
hebrews 9:27 " And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
why is man appointed to die once?
Genesis 3 : And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;,......v 19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."
this applies to adam and all His seed. this is the curse Jesus came to take away for us, its why He died in our place, the reason it was necassary for Him to die, is because mankind was put under that curse by adam, and the will of satan who subjected us to temptation. if a person really asks the question " what sense does it make that Jesus had to die, in order to save us?" it becomes clearer. when you notice adam was made the ruler from the start over the earth and is the source of all mankind through His seed. so redemption comes through the Christ, born a man in order to save us from the raging fire we caused on earth ith our dominion.
a man cursed us into death, so a man had to take that curse upon Himself and overcome sin and death in order to redeem the creation unto God. we fell by adam and are raised by Christ. we die once because of our blood from adam, the first creations ruler and we will live even still because of the blood of Jesus Christ the eternal Lord of Gods new and eternal creation that were promised after the destruction of this one because of adams dominion and rule corrupted by satans will. the earth is already condemned and will take part in the first death the curse of adam if they do not take part in Christ.
2 peter 3 : .But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in allholy conversation and godliness, 12Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."
our hope is beyond this place and should be because it is all condemned to destruction.
We are to walk worthy of our calling in Christ Jesus. Having said that, there is no work I (or you) could ever do which would change our filthy rags to the righteousness found only in Christ Jesus.
Philippians 3:
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Please point out the post submitted by me wherein I stated the believer is to continue on living the same sinful life once he/she is born again. Thank you.
In vs 26, Jesus said But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
In other words, we have the Comforter, our ever-present Helper, to come to our aid in times of trial. We are never left alone to face our hardships. We surely would fail if not for that which God has infused within us when we were born again.
Jude 1:24-25 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
I love this verse in Galatians 2 --- I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
We can live our lives according to the flesh (who we were in Adam) or we can live our lives according to the Spirit (who we are in Christ).
If we live according to who we were in Adam, we will have the works of the flesh in evidence in our lives.
If we live according to who we are in Christ, we will have the fruit of the Spirit in evidence in our lives.
Galatians 5:
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
Philippians 3:
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Please point out the post submitted by me wherein I stated the believer is to continue on living the same sinful life once he/she is born again. Thank you.
In vs 26, Jesus said But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
In other words, we have the Comforter, our ever-present Helper, to come to our aid in times of trial. We are never left alone to face our hardships. We surely would fail if not for that which God has infused within us when we were born again.
Jude 1:24-25 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
I love this verse in Galatians 2 --- I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
We can live our lives according to the flesh (who we were in Adam) or we can live our lives according to the Spirit (who we are in Christ).
If we live according to who we were in Adam, we will have the works of the flesh in evidence in our lives.
If we live according to who we are in Christ, we will have the fruit of the Spirit in evidence in our lives.
Galatians 5:
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.
If there was no death before Adam's sin, where did those dead people come from?
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death
through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned.
