What does Satan's fall from Heaven have to do with the location of Eden? And he did not "fall" to earth but was cast out of God's Heaven and allowed to inhabit the first and second heavens, along with the evil angels. But since he is a spirit being, he entered into the serpent and deceived (not seduced) Eve in the Garden. He now walks about the earth as a roaring lion, but he is not limited to the earth.
Did God tell a lie? (Genesis 2-3)
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Yes. According to Genesis 4:16, Eden was west of the land of Nod.
Genesis 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Not, on the east of Eden.
And Nehemiah6 has indicated Eden was somewhere in Iraq:
Genesis 2:
10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
Can you find Ethiopia on a map?
How about Assyria?
How about the river Euphrates?
These are locations found on earth.
Genesis 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Not, on the east of Eden.
And Nehemiah6 has indicated Eden was somewhere in Iraq:
Genesis 2:
10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
Can you find Ethiopia on a map?
How about Assyria?
How about the river Euphrates?
These are locations found on earth.
Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
The Bible speaks clearly about both the physical and spiritual deaths humans face. Death began in the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve sinned, and God's judgment involved death (Genesis 3). Physical death occurs when a person's body and soul separate. Physical life then ends, while the soul continues.
Spiritual death is a different, less visible matter. All people have sinned and fall short of God's glory (Romans 3:23). This sin separates us from God and eternal life with Him. The only sufficient way to provide spiritual life is found in the perfect Son of God, Jesus Christ. When a person trusts in Him by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), a person receives salvation or is saved from the consequences of spiritual death that would otherwise result.
To put it another way, physical death looks similar for all people. When there is no longer breath, a heartbeat, or brain activity, the person's physical life has ceased to exist. There are visible signs to indicate life has ended. Spiritual death is the result of sin. We are already sinners and spiritually dead. Ephesians 2:1-2 shares, "And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience."
To overcome spiritual death, a person must be born again. Jesus taught, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God" (John 3:3). In order to be born again, a person must believe in Jesus: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16).
A person who is born again will experience eternal life with God and His people in heaven. In addition, being born again provides a better spiritual life during this physical life. In John 10:10 Jesus taught, "I came that they may have life and have it abundantly."
No one can escape physical death (unless Jesus returns first), but an unbeliever can escape his or her spiritual death. In order to do so, a person must believe in Jesus as the resurrected Lord: "if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9-10). This includes escaping the consequences of sin (eternity in hell apart from God) and the ability to live for God in this life.
First John 5:11-12 expresses the impact of this new life: "And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life."
Spiritual death is a different, less visible matter. All people have sinned and fall short of God's glory (Romans 3:23). This sin separates us from God and eternal life with Him. The only sufficient way to provide spiritual life is found in the perfect Son of God, Jesus Christ. When a person trusts in Him by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8-9), a person receives salvation or is saved from the consequences of spiritual death that would otherwise result.
To put it another way, physical death looks similar for all people. When there is no longer breath, a heartbeat, or brain activity, the person's physical life has ceased to exist. There are visible signs to indicate life has ended. Spiritual death is the result of sin. We are already sinners and spiritually dead. Ephesians 2:1-2 shares, "And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience."
To overcome spiritual death, a person must be born again. Jesus taught, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God" (John 3:3). In order to be born again, a person must believe in Jesus: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16).
A person who is born again will experience eternal life with God and His people in heaven. In addition, being born again provides a better spiritual life during this physical life. In John 10:10 Jesus taught, "I came that they may have life and have it abundantly."
No one can escape physical death (unless Jesus returns first), but an unbeliever can escape his or her spiritual death. In order to do so, a person must believe in Jesus as the resurrected Lord: "if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9-10). This includes escaping the consequences of sin (eternity in hell apart from God) and the ability to live for God in this life.
First John 5:11-12 expresses the impact of this new life: "And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life."
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No kidding which is why I barely watch any bible movies or shows but veggietales because of so many errors,such a head ache veggietales I understand because it's a more kid like and rough drafted way of putting the bible,but come on serious films of the bible and yet they can't get most of the details right in those movies!?
it depends on what your definition is of death as opposed to what God's definition is of death....
if your definition is that physically your brain don't work and your heart doesn't pump any more, then guess what... you are wrong. Cause technically your spirit is completely still in working order and functioning.
So what does the term death mean...well that again depends on which version you speak of. If you speak of the above mentioned. Jesus spoke of it as sleeping.Where death which He speaks of it means seperation from God. If you "die" you will seperate from God. Adam was seperated immediately from God. He was cast out of Eden and spiritually incapable of even seeing the garden after that. Tell me... do you see the garden of Eden anywhere on earth?
Now you might want to argue with me and say that after the flood the garden was destroyed. Of which I would like to remind you of Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
So then what would be it for one that does not follow God...eternal seperation from God. No love. No peace. No joy. Nothing of God....if that doesn't sound in itself like hell to you... as Jesus said, they will be cast out.
So No. God did not lie. Adam was seperated from God completely, however God wasn't without mercy. After Adam continiously begged for forgiveness God gave Him the promise of Christ. And when Christ came and was crucified, He set the captives (including Adam) free.
if your definition is that physically your brain don't work and your heart doesn't pump any more, then guess what... you are wrong. Cause technically your spirit is completely still in working order and functioning.
So what does the term death mean...well that again depends on which version you speak of. If you speak of the above mentioned. Jesus spoke of it as sleeping.Where death which He speaks of it means seperation from God. If you "die" you will seperate from God. Adam was seperated immediately from God. He was cast out of Eden and spiritually incapable of even seeing the garden after that. Tell me... do you see the garden of Eden anywhere on earth?
Now you might want to argue with me and say that after the flood the garden was destroyed. Of which I would like to remind you of Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
So then what would be it for one that does not follow God...eternal seperation from God. No love. No peace. No joy. Nothing of God....if that doesn't sound in itself like hell to you... as Jesus said, they will be cast out.
So No. God did not lie. Adam was seperated from God completely, however God wasn't without mercy. After Adam continiously begged for forgiveness God gave Him the promise of Christ. And when Christ came and was crucified, He set the captives (including Adam) free.
