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    I'm sure you all get a lot of questions about this, so I figure you all could help. Just a little back ground on me. I was saved (or so I believed so) when I was young. I've been through some rough times recently (namely pornography and sickness in the family), and I looked to the Bible for comfort. Then I came across the verse mentioning the unpardonable sin. Since I have been into pornography I have been trying to get out to no avail. I ask so many times for a way out no matter what. I liked to place verses about forgiveness as wallpaper on my phone. I searched for one on the internet to find the unpardonable sin. I was concerned that I had done so due to curses against God that had crossed my mind. I later found out that what had crossed my mind was not the unpardonable sin. Fast forward about 2 weeks (my time may be off). I decided to look at the passage again for reasons I can't remember. I read the passage, and in my stupidity did not take the warning seriously. Curses once again swarmed my mind (I honestly do not remember what all they were, but I'm scared it could have been thoughts similar to what the Pharisees said). I remember having an absolute feeling of despair come across be, and I became upset once again. After this I can remember feeling this sudden strange feeling that I can't describe. Was that the Holy Spirit leaving me? I want to be forgiven more than anything, but can I? I'm afraid it was me that thought those thoughts because I wasn't thinking strait for a bit. I fear that I'm my stupidity I though the unpardonable sin. This sparked a dark spiral of thoughts in my head. I met with the youth minister at the church, and we discussed it. He said that the unpardonable sin was attributing the work of Jesus to Satan. I agree with this definition of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. I remember I felt relieved by his words, and went on; however, the worry was not all gone. Again with the dark spiral of evil thoughts. One thing that particularly crossed my mind was (I do not want to state the first thought it because the phrase alone scares me) "Insert phrase that says the glory of God was actually the glory of.......you can guess" then I thought "maybe it was" then "oh gosh no no no that's not true". Then despair came across me. Again the dark spiral of bad thoughts. To this day I have not found genuine lasting peace. I don't remember the vast majority of my thought, but I'm almost certain that one of those evil thoughts was me commuting the unpardonable sin. I still despise myself to this day for my stupidity in that moment following my reading of the unpardonable sin chapter a 2nd time. How could I have been so stupid as to loose reverence for the word of God, and not take it seriously. I am almost certain that because of this I have committed the unpardonable sin. For the past 6 months or so I have been living in a constant state of fear that I committed the unpardonable sin. I can't believe I thought those things, and I hate myself for it. I'm afraid what I did was kinda intentional (but without meaning). Let me say I do not agree with those thoughts, but I'm afraid I allowed them to enter my mind because I was just plain stupid (or done in the heat of the moment). Honestly I'm not sure if I knew 100% what I was actually doing. I just kinda happened. I didn't think about it. I've been researching this topic a lot, and I have come across so many interpretations. I do agree with the idea that the unpardonable sin is giving Satan credit for God's work. I am terrified, and scared out of my mind. Not a day has gone that I haven't worried about it. I've lost 21 pounds, been depressed, and most importantly I'm afraid of my spiritual condition. To this day I'm having crazy thoughts, and I'm scared I'm entertaining them. I also don't feel convicted like I use to (if at all). Or is my fear of committing it conviction? I don't agree with my sin by an means, so don't get me wrong their. I'm also having a hard (if not impossible) time feeling God's presence. I have spoken with the head pastor of our church, and he believes that if such a sin could be committed today that I have not committed it simply because I'm worried. He is also convinced that God has a big plan for me, but I'm afraid God has given up on me. Can I ever get out of this worry? Could this sin unsave me? Does it mean I wasn't saved to begin with? I want to come to Jesus more than anything, but I'm afraid he won't accept me. I'm afraid the desire to come to Christ is from me, and not the Holy Spirit. Have I committed the unpardonable sin? Do I have hope, or am I hopelessly condemned? Is the Lord going to reject me? Also, as I know this will likely come up, I don't think OCD has to do with the one thought I mentioned. I don't think what happened was OCD (at least not the thought that scares me). I think I willingly thought one of those thoughts half hazardedly. I know you can call me a moron. I agree with you. I may have thought the thought, and now I'm afraid. Honestly I don't remember the exact thought. It could be something diffrent, but I'm afraid it was the unpardonable sin. I can't remember anything anymore and I'm only 17. What I'm saying is I don't think this thought was OCD related at all. I thought it not really meaning it. Just thinking it to think it. I didn't do it to slander God at all. That was not my intent. It was a dumb thought that I had, and instantly regretted and have regretted ever since. Please help me!

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    Oh honey, what you are experiencing is warfare, Satan is mad because you desire Jesus over him and he is mounting an all out attack against you, rebuke every evil thought that he brings to your mind, do not give up or give in...............YOU WILL WIN.

    Stay in the word, and in prayer, learn about fasting, stay in a good bible believing church, let the elders lay hands on you and pray over you, when you have done all you know to do, STAND STILL AND SEE THE SALVATION OF THE LORD.
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    Reformatted for easier reading SandyJupiter6 said>

    I'm sure you all get a lot of questions about this, so I figure you all could help.

    Just a little back ground on me. I was saved (or so I believed so) when I was young. I've been through some rough times recently (namely pornography and sickness in the family), and I looked to the Bible for comfort. Then I came across the verse mentioning the unpardonable sin.

    Since I have been into pornography I have been trying to get out to no avail. I ask so many times for a way out no matter what. I liked to place verses about forgiveness as wallpaper on my phone. I searched for one on the internet to find the unpardonable sin. I was concerned that I had done so due to curses against God that had crossed my mind. I later found out that what had crossed my mind was not the unpardonable sin.

    Fast forward about 2 weeks (my time may be off). I decided to look at the passage again for reasons I can't remember. I read the passage, and in my stupidity did not take the warning seriously. Curses once again swarmed my mind (I honestly do not remember what all they were, but I'm scared it could have been thoughts similar to what the Pharisees said). I remember having an absolute feeling of despair come across me, and I became upset once again.

    After this I can remember feeling this sudden strange feeling that I can't describe. Was that the Holy Spirit leaving me? I want to be forgiven more than anything, but can I? I'm afraid it was me that thought those thoughts because I wasn't thinking strait for a bit. I fear that in my stupidity I thought the unpardonable sin.

    This sparked a dark spiral of thoughts in my head. I met with the youth minister at the church, and we discussed it. He said that the unpardonable sin was attributing the work of Jesus to Satan. I agree with this definition of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. I remember I felt relieved by his words, and went on; however, the worry was not all gone. Again with the dark spiral of evil thoughts.

    One thing that particularly crossed my mind was (I do not want to state the first thought it because the phrase alone scares me) "Insert phrase that says the glory of God was actually the glory of.......you can guess" then I thought "maybe it was" then "oh gosh no no no that's not true". Then despair came across me. Again the dark spiral of bad thoughts.

    To this day I have not found genuine lasting peace. I don't remember the vast majority of my thought, but I'm almost certain that one of those evil thoughts was me committing the unpardonable sin. I still despise myself to this day for my stupidity in that moment following my reading of the unpardonable sin chapter a 2nd time.

    How could I have been so stupid as to loose reverence for the word of God, and not take it seriously. I am almost certain that because of this I have committed the unpardonable sin. For the past 6 months or so I have been living in a constant state of fear that I committed the unpardonable sin. I can't believe I thought those things, and I hate myself for it. I'm afraid what I did was kinda intentional (but without meaning).

    Let me say I do not agree with those thoughts, but I'm afraid I allowed them to enter my mind because I was just plain stupid (or done in the heat of the moment). Honestly I'm not sure if I knew 100% what I was actually doing. I just kinda happened. I didn't think about it.

    I've been researching this topic a lot, and I have come across so many interpretations. I do agree with the idea that the unpardonable sin is giving Satan credit for God's work. I am terrified, and scared out of my mind. Not a day has gone that I haven't worried about it. I've lost 21 pounds, been depressed, and most importantly I'm afraid of my spiritual condition.

    To this day I'm having crazy thoughts, and I'm scared I'm entertaining them. I also don't feel convicted like I use to (if at all). Or is my fear of committing it conviction? I don't agree with my sin by an means, so don't get me wrong their.

    I'm also having a hard (if not impossible) time feeling God's presence. I have spoken with the head pastor of our church, and he believes that if such a sin could be committed today that I have not committed it simply because I'm worried. He is also convinced that God has a big plan for me, but I'm afraid God has given up on me.

    Can I ever get out of this worry? Could this sin unsave me? Does it mean I wasn't saved to begin with? I want to come to Jesus more than anything, but I'm afraid he won't accept me. I'm afraid the desire to come to Christ is from me, and not the Holy Spirit.

    Have I committed the unpardonable sin? Do I have hope, or am I hopelessly condemned? Is the Lord going to reject me? Also, as I know this will likely come up, I don't think OCD has to do with the one thought I mentioned. I don't think what happened was OCD (at least not the thought that scares me). I think I willingly thought one of those thoughts half hazardedly.

    I know you can call me a moron. I agree with you. I may have thought the thought, and now I'm afraid. Honestly I don't remember the exact thought. It could be something different, but I'm afraid it was the unpardonable sin. I can't remember anything anymore and I'm only 17. What I'm saying is I don't think this thought was OCD related at all. I thought it not really meaning it. Just thinking it to think it. I didn't do it to slander God at all. That was not my intent. It was a dumb thought that I had, and instantly regretted and have regretted ever since.

    Please help me!
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    SandyJupiter6, it does sound like OCD. Many may tell you that
    those who are not saved do not worry about committing blasphemy.


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    Welcome to CC!

    Please know that God will never, ever give up on you. No thoughts can make you "unsaved". Jesus came to set us free and remove our fears. Never let anyone tell you that you have committed an unpardonable sin. We are saved by God's grace through faith, not by avoiding bad thoughts. satan is the liar and accuser and it is he who is trying to deceive you into thinking you did something to lose your salvation.

    Jesus loves you and will never, ever forsake you.

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    I’m sorry to hear you are really struggling. But you have created a wall of text in very small font size, and I cannot read it in my phone.

    One thing thing I will say, is that I believe the unpardonable sin is rejecting Christ. So yes, sin is bad. Pornography is sin, and will have long term consequences on your future marriage. My advice is to get an accountability partner, that you can turn to to help you stop, and pick up the pieces when you fail. We had some men in our church who started this ministry, to helped people caught in porn, with good results. But what you are doing is not the unpardonable sin. It’s just don!

    In Seminary, one of the men, with a family had a problem with porn. The professors mentored him through the three years he was there, and he was set free and he is an assistant pastor in a church!

    No no one is except from this sinful habit.In some denominations, over 50% have pastors use porn, and have set up hotlines to phone and deal with it.

    So you are not alone. And you can get help and break this habit once and for all.
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    Unforgivable sin:

    OT, the only sin Temple sacrifices could't COVER was, IDOLATRY

    NT the only sin Christ's redemptive sin atoning sacrifice can't REMOVE is, UNBELIEF/rejecting Christ

    If you're a believer you're salvation is safe. Look, the final Judge (Jesus) is also your attorney (advocate). Ruling: Full Pardon!

    OT Curse's:

    A Sinless Christ Became a CURSE & Delivered Us

    from ALL the Laws curses. See Deut 28:15-68

    Gen 3:
    17 (B) ""cursed is the ground for thy sake""

    18 ""Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee""

    In the garden God imposed a curse of:

    ""THORNS & THISTLES""

    A Crown shows Kingship:

    When they placed the CROWN of THORNS on Christ head. He WAS MADE A CURSE & became KING of Curses.

    Christ's sin payment delievers every believer from the curses imposed for breaking the Law. Because a sinless Christ was made CURSE (Gal 3:13). God also made him sin sin (2 Cor 5:21) so we, can become the righteousness of God in him.

    When we place our Faith/trust in Christ's sin atoning sacrifice. Found in his death, burial & resurrection. God impute/transfers His Righteousness onto us. See Rom 3:22, 4:24, Rom 4:11, 22.23.24, Rom 5:13 Phil 3:9, Ja 2:23) and our sins onto him (see Lev 4 on this process).

    Galatians 3:13
    Christ hath redeemed us from the "curse of the law" "being made a curse" for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
    (NOTE: Keeping the Law brought blessing Deut 28:1-15. A sinless Jesus kept the Law. And deserved all of the Law's blessings. Yet, ""WAS MADE A CURSE"" to take every believers due judgment.

    All curses paid in full, all sin paid in full, on every believers behalf. By The Lord Jesus, thank you Jesus!
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    Welcome to CC SandyJupiter. I was able to read your post when Magenta re posted it in her usual pretty purple with larger text and some paragraphs (thank you Mags)

    What you described Sandy is a battle all Christians who are seeking Jesus face. The good news is Jesus won the battle for us. As Christians we are given instructions on how to resist the devil and he will be forced to flee. We humble ourselves by not believing our feelings and ideas and instead believe Jesus and what He has already done for us. James 4:7

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    But He gives us more and more grace ([a]power of the Holy Spirit, to meet this evil tendency and all others fully). That is why He says, God sets Himself against the proud and haughty, but gives grace [continually] to the lowly (those who are humble enough to receive it).

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    So be subject to God. Resist the devil [stand firm against him], and he will flee from you.


    How do we do this? The first step it to realize as a born again child of God you are not condemned. Jesus has given you His righteousness and that is your standing. Know who you are IN Christ. You are a saint and a son who is no longer condemned with the world anymore. The law of the Spirit of life which is IN Christ Jesus has set us free from the law of sin and death. Romans 8:1-2

    Therefore, [there is] now no condemnation (no adjudging guilty of wrong) for those who are in Christ Jesus.
    2 For the law of the Spirit of life [which is] in Christ Jesus [the law of our new being] has freed me from the law of sin and of death.

    When you daily begin to lay hold of that truth that you are no longer condemned even by those thoughts in your head you will start to find some relief. How we lived our lives before we got saved does effect us today but there is freedom to be had in Christ as we learn of Him in the Bible.


    I consider the flesh and the way we used to think like a huge bell that rang for most of our lives day in and day out. We heard it and lived by it along with it's constant bonging sounds. We got used to it. Then the day came and we heard about Jesus and He saved us and we were born again and given a new heart and a new mind. The old man died and the new man lives. The bell is dead., it is gone and it has stopped and is no longer there or ringing. Old things have passed away behold all things have become new.

    But unfortunately we will still hear and even feel the vibrations of that bell (that old man) because we still have this body. The challenge we face each day as born again sons is who and what do we believe? The flesh or the Spirit? The Bible calls us to walk by the Spirit and we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. Walk in the Spirit and we will not be tormented or lead by our flesh.

    Not only that but the devil wants to keep us from being joyful in Christ because he knows the JOY of the LORD is our STRENGTH. So the devil lies and uses lies on those who don't know the Bible well yet., so he can effect their thinking. he assaults our minds with evil ideas and thoughts from the past., from the way we used to think and how we used to run our lives and how we used to spend our time.

    he also assaults our minds. he's like a person who swears awful words of all kinds while in our presence. While the words are offensive to us down to our core., do we take responsibility for the person swearing in the room? No of course not they are not our words or our will.

    Our new man detests those ugly words of the enemy as well as the reverberations of the old man. Romans 5-6-7-8 tells us about this battle., who shall deliver me from the body of this death? JESUS., HE will. Our calling is to BELIEVE Jesus has delivered us from guilt and the accompanying torment when He saved us and gave us the new man made in His righteousness. Lay hold of this truth and walk it out each day and the lies and tormenting thoughts of guilt and shame will be gone.

    When we no longer believe the lies of the devil we are doing what the Bible says "resisting the devil" by having faith in what Jesus did for us instead., the devil's lies are seen for what they are in the Truth of God's word. We are no longer condemned because of Jesus and what He has done for us giving us HIS righteousness. Then the lies and the devil will have no power over us and the devil flees just as the Bible promises because we believed the truth instead of the lie.

    This takes practice for us Christians to daily look to Jesus and not to our feelings of self loathing. Jesus paid for all our sin and shame and guilt. We get our eyes off of self and instead on Jesus and the power of His resurrection that lifts us up from the dead. The fight of faith is to believe that you are made righteous by faith and not by works. Jesus did it all and now we walk it out by faith. Be blessed and be free in Christ SandyJupiter.



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    Sandy,
    putting aside all your worries, and concerns, something is missing out of that wall of text. God. You say your a Christian, but that can mean so many different things. Why do you follow the Lord? What do you get out of following him? And what does he get out of you? Basically, why do you think you're a Christian? Why do you follow the Lord?
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    People worry about this more then anyone realizes. When you should not worry about it SandyJupiter6.

    I lost count of all the people i had to correct about this . Its pathetic that the churches in the world foments this confusion causing people to worry for no reason , because all they care about is to tell Christians to :
    "" believe, and rapture, and asking for donations """ .

    The Bible is super specific about this .Only the Elect , people such as Peter, Paul might have been able to commit that.
    The Elect during the Tribulation are the only ones that wont commit it, but they would be in a position if anyone where the scriptures talk about it .


    The unpardonable sin is specifically about the trials that the Elect go through during the Tribulation of Satan . Matthew 24, the trails there, and Luke 12. It is not the Scribes or Pharisees calling Jesus or the HS names. Christ actually said that was forgivable . But the other is not, and it can only come into effect during the Trib.
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    I think others have done a good job of answering the original question. However, be aware that pornography is sexual addiction and gives satan a continuous foothold in your life. Pornography is powerful because it seems to be a form of intimacy and attachment but in reality it is not. This is a difficult problem and a counselor could help. Have you thought of seeing one to help you with this problem? Your church may have a program that is free or reduced cost. Here is a site that deals with just what you’re going through and I would urge you to take advantage of this resource. If you cannot find help locally, you could call Focus on the Family and they can refer you to a local person (855-382-5433). I have prayed for your situation. Blessings.

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    Just to be clear, the Elect will NOT commit it. But if anyone is going to be in a position to, it would be them. Its to deny the HS to speak through them during the trials ... Read the passages i mentioned .

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