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    Hi All....
    Does everyone know the next big event coming any day or year to our planet?
    No, it's not Jesus coming back to reign for a thousand years.
    It's the seven year peace plan.
    You can lose your soul if you are deceived by the coming Antichrist.
    Here is the best short video I have found explaining this end times prophecy in detail.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo

    Have a great day!

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    There will indeed be a 7 year treaty that Israel will sign with another country or countries guaranteeing their safety and their defense if necessary. This treaty will be broken at the 3 1/2 year mark. Rather than wait for the coming anti-christ it would be best to pray for salvation now at this time by confessing and repenting of your sins to Jesus with a contrite heart, thank Him for dying on the cross for your sins and inviting the Holy Spirit to live in your heart to guide you on your spiritual journey. Those that are already saved will not be deceived.
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    Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

    Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    "shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary" - this happened in the 1st century AD, there is nothing in the above that occurs after 70 AD.

    Behold the piles of rock in the middle east where the sanctuary stood.

    Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

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    I thought he actually had a question..lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by val5662 View Post
    Hi All....
    Does everyone know the next big event coming any day or year to our planet?
    No, it's not Jesus coming back to reign for a thousand years.
    It's the seven year peace plan.
    You can lose your soul if you are deceived by the coming Antichrist.
    Here is the best short video I have found explaining this end times prophecy in detail.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo

    Have a great day!
    WRONG! Just more opinions not backed by Scripture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellsworth1943 View Post
    WRONG! Just more opinions not backed by Scripture.
    Actually, correct. Plenty of scripture to back it up, especially in Daniel and the Revelation. As always, it is always a matter on the interpretation as to who is wrong or right.
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    Eschatology is a very murky area of study. There are 4 main views of it. Each Biblical and different. Daniel and Revelation are so symbolic it is very difficult to try to find a single view. Here are a couple of links to the 4 different Biblical versions of the end times (eschatology).

    Here are a couple of sites discussing the 4 main eschatologyical views. Notice some have minor variations.

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/mill.cfm

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/millenni.htm

    After reading these can anyone tell me what is difinitively going to happen?
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    Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

    Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

    John's revelation reports nohting more than all things that were written in the old testament - therefore all prophecy was fulfilled when Jerusalem was compassed by armies in the war of 66-70 AD.

    ALL means all.

    John stated he was living in the last hour of the last days when her wrote, therefore the end times came and went:

    1 John 2:18 Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.

    You folks need to accept the written word of the inspired apostles instead of making up "stories" about the words written
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    that is wrong Locutu . The day of Vengeance, is when Jesus returns to the earth Revelation 11:15 and so on.

    Daniel 9:27 is the armies this is in reference to .
    There is also the time of the gentiles to consider, as the Arab nations control the dome of the Rock .
    The prophecy concerns the return of Israel back to the land. Everyone seems to miss that key point .

    They were being dispersed at the time of ad 70 so there is no way Christ is referring to that time .

    The idea that future prophecy is past, is called bad fruit. Avoid bad fruit .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Locutus View Post
    Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

    Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

    John's revelation reports nohting more than all things that were written in the old testament - therefore all prophecy was fulfilled when Jerusalem was compassed by armies in the war of 66-70 AD.

    ALL means all.

    John stated he was living in the last hour of the last days when her wrote, therefore the end times came and went:

    1 John 2:18 Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.

    You folks need to accept the written word of the inspired apostles instead of making up "stories" about the words written
    Methinks you need to understand that the end times are not yet. Jesus has not returned. That will be the culmination of the end times. Armageddon hasn't happened yet. That will be the final battle when Jesus returns. I have been there and the Megiddo plain is a very large area. Large armies can maneuver there easily. Israel is already surrounded on land by Muslims that hate Jews. They repeatedly attacked and the IDF handed them their rear repeatedly so they finally stopped using their armies and reverted to terrorism. One prominent Jewish lawyer in the US stated, "If the Jews laid down their weapons they would be annihilated. If the Muslims laid down their weapons there would be peace." The Muslims follow the Koran!!! One verse states that the trees will give voice to the hiding place of the last Jew. Thus telling Muslims they will win the war on Jews!!!

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    Before I start, who is this guy? I have a problem with anyone that is trying to teach something from the Bible and do not even know the correct name of a book in the Bible, he calls the book of Revelation the book of RevelationS if you are trying to teach from the Bible I would suggest that you know the correct name of a book of the Bible that you are going to quote many times.

    Brother you forgot verse 24 “And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.”

    That has not happened yet and we need to also look at Daniel 9:27 as well.

    “Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate.”

    Even until the consummation which has not happened yet. We need to refer to verse 24 of Danuel chapter 9 because it is an overall explaination of the verses that follow it, it is how the Jews wrote things like in Genesis 1:1-2 then 1:3-31 give a deeper description of the of verses 1-2. Here is Daniel 9:24

    “Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make reconciliation for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy.”

    As we can see everlasting righteousness has not yet come and prophecy has not been totally fulfilled, let's look at how the, Contemporary English Version translates Daniel 9:24

    “God has decided that for seventy weeks, your people and your holy city must suffer as the price of their sins. Then evil will disappear, and justice will rule forever; the visions and words of the prophets will come true, and a most holy place will be dedicated.”

    The
    Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition translates it like this, “Seventy weeks are shortened upon thy people, and upon thy holy city, that transgression may be finished, and sin may have an end, and iniquity may be abolished; and everlasting justice may be brought; and vision and prophecy may be fulfilled; and the saint of saints may be anointed.”

    Here is how the International Standard Version translates it. “Seventy weeks have been decreed concerning your people and your holy city: to restrain transgression, to put an end to sin, to make atonement for lawlessness, to establish everlasting righteousness, to conclude vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.”

    As we all know vision and prophecy has not been fulfilled, been concluded or been fulfilled there are many prophecies that still need to be fulfilled. Makin Daniel 9:24-27 has not been fulfilled yet so we still have more to be fulfilled.

    We can all see that not all of this prophecy has been fulfilled and there is more to come, not sure it is the way this guy is explaining it, but there is more to come and 70 A.D. did not fulfill it all. With what is in verse 9:26 tells us that there is more then one Deselation that would happen to the Temple with these words, "
    Desolations are decreed." Desolations is plural not singular, so Antiochus Epiphanes was one of the Desolations, with Titus being another and with wars still being with us we know that there is more to come.

    From everything I have read Titus never made a covenant with the Jews and he never made himself God either, so there is one still to come. We see no Temple now, with that I will say that the Reformers did not see the state of Israel either and made a conclusion that Israel would never be a state again, but we can see that God brought the Jews back to the land He promised their fathers. The thing that I find a bit funny is there are people that will not can the State of Israel, Israel they call it Palestine because they believe that the Church has taken the place of Israel, so the land is not Israel we are.

    I just do not get it, the people that do this believe in the sovereignty of God in salvation, yet can not see His sovereignty in preservring the Jewish people for over 1800 years and retruning them to the land that the Lord promised to the forefathers. If you cannot see the sovereignty of God in the Jewish people keeping their idenity, culture, religion and language for that amount of time and can not see the Lord in it. Is someone who has let their doctrine over ride what is before their eyes.
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    Before I start, who is this guy? I have a problem with anyone that is trying to teach something from the Bible and do not even know the correct name of a book in the Bible, he calls the book of Revelation the book of RevelationS if you are trying to teach from the Bible I would suggest that you know the correct name of a book of the Bible that you are going to quote many times.

    Brother you forgot verse 24 “And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.”

    That has not happened yet and we need to also look at Daniel 9:27 as well.

    “Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, even until the consummation, which is determined, is poured out on the desolate.”

    Even until the consummation which has not happened yet. We need to refer to verse 24 of Danuel chapter 9 because it is an overall explaination of the verses that follow it, it is how the Jews wrote things like in Genesis 1:1-2 then 1:3-31 give a deeper description of the of verses 1-2. Here is Daniel 9:24

    “Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make reconciliation for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy.”

    As we can see everlasting righteousness has not yet come and prophecy has not been totally fulfilled, let's look at how the, Contemporary English Version translates Daniel 9:24

    “God has decided that for seventy weeks, your people and your holy city must suffer as the price of their sins. Then evil will disappear, and justice will rule forever; the visions and words of the prophets will come true, and a most holy place will be dedicated.”

    The
    Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition translates it like this, “Seventy weeks are shortened upon thy people, and upon thy holy city, that transgression may be finished, and sin may have an end, and iniquity may be abolished; and everlasting justice may be brought; and vision and prophecy may be fulfilled; and the saint of saints may be anointed.”

    Here is how the International Standard Version translates it. “Seventy weeks have been decreed concerning your people and your holy city: to restrain transgression, to put an end to sin, to make atonement for lawlessness, to establish everlasting righteousness, to conclude vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.”

    As we all know vision and prophecy has not been fulfilled, been concluded or been fulfilled there are many prophecies that still need to be fulfilled. Makin Daniel 9:24-27 has not been fulfilled yet so we still have more to be fulfilled.

    We can all see that not all of this prophecy has been fulfilled and there is more to come, not sure it is the way this guy is explaining it, but there is more to come and 70 A.D. did not fulfill it all. With what is in verse 9:26 tells us that there is more then one Deselation that would happen to the Temple with these words, "
    Desolations are decreed." Desolations is plural not singular, so Antiochus Epiphanes was one of the Desolations, with Titus being another and with wars still being with us we know that there is more to come.

    From everything I have read Titus never made a covenant with the Jews and he never made himself God either, so there is one still to come. We see no Temple now, with that I will say that the Reformers did not see the state of Israel either and made a conclusion that Israel would never be a state again, but we can see that God brought the Jews back to the land He promised their fathers. The thing that I find a bit funny is there are people that will not can the State of Israel, Israel they call it Palestine because they believe that the Church has taken the place of Israel, so the land is not Israel we are.

    I just do not get it, the people that do this believe in the sovereignty of God in salvation, yet can not see His sovereignty in preservring the Jewish people for over 1800 years and retruning them to the land that the Lord promised to the forefathers. If you cannot see the sovereignty of God in the Jewish people keeping their idenity, culture, religion and language for that amount of time and can not see the Lord in it. Is someone who has let their doctrine over ride what is before their eyes.
    You are exposing your ignorance and letting your ego make a fool out of your rambling diatribe. Here is the start of the Wikipedia article on Revelation.

    Book of Revelation
    This article is about the book in the New Testament. For other uses, see Book of Revelation (disambiguation).


    The Book of Revelation, often called the Revelation to John, the Apocalypse of John, The Revelation, or simply Revelation or Apocalypse, is a book of the New Testament that occupies a central place in Christian eschatology. Its title is derived from the first word of the text, written in Koine Greek: apokalypsis, meaning "unveiling" or "revelation" (before title pages and titles, books were commonly known by their first words, as is also the case of the Hebrew Five Books of Moses (Torah). The Book of Revelation is the only apocalyptic document in the New Testament canon (although there are short apocalyptic passages in various places in the Gospels and the Epistles).

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    ​Johnny_B needs to check his facts before ranting and making a fool of himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by val5662 View Post
    Hi All....
    Does everyone know the next big event coming any day or year to our planet?
    No, it's not Jesus coming back to reign for a thousand years.
    It's the seven year peace plan.
    You can lose your soul if you are deceived by the coming Antichrist.


    The seventieth seven in Daniel follows immediately after the sixty ninth seven. The prince who will come has already been described as coming (the coming of Messiah the prince). He confirms a covenant with many (His fellow Jews) for one seven (covenant in Daniel always refers to God's covenant) but in the midst of the seven He dies and the sacrifices and oblations cease. Then to the end wars and desolations are determined. It is simple really.

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    Methinks you need to understand that the end times are not yet. Jesus has not returned. That will be the culmination of the end times. Armageddon hasn't happened yet. That will be the final battle when Jesus returns. I have been there and the Megiddo plain is a very large area. Large armies can maneuver there easily. Israel is already surrounded on land by Muslims that hate Jews. They repeatedly attacked and the IDF handed them their rear repeatedly so they finally stopped using their armies and reverted to terrorism. One prominent Jewish lawyer in the US stated, "If the Jews laid down their weapons they would be annihilated. If the Muslims laid down their weapons there would be peace." The Muslims follow the Koran!!! One verse states that the trees will give voice to the hiding place of the last Jew. Thus telling Muslims they will win the war on Jews!!!
    The last days began when Christ said it is finished. The time of reformation had begun. The need to use the flesh of a Jew in a parable to demonstrate the promise of pouring out His Spirit not seen Christ came to end .It was the time of trouble of Jacob . The shadows became sight .


    God is not a man as us. Never was never could be. He who is supernatural, without nature , (a beginning).remainswithout mother or father beginning of Spirit life or end thereof.
    Christ is here reigning in the hearts of men. If any man has not the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God then neither do they belong to God.
    He will not come again and offer another outward demonstration as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world (6 days he did the work), not from the foundation of the one-time outward fleshly three day demonstration.
    God is not a man as us and neither is there any outward of the flesh infallible mediator called a Daysman. We continue to walk by faith the unseen. His Jewish flesh profited not. It’s not flesh and blood that he poured out that did profit .His word is Spirit and is Spirit life as that which he did pour out. .It as that seen represents the promises to pour out His Spirit as if it was blood.. Blood must be poured back into the ground from where it was taken .


    It was never was about Jewish flesh used in parables or any flesh, as if flesh and blood could enter the kingdom of God. On the last day God who is not a man will draw those he is working in together with those who were part of the first resurrection and together they will receive the promise of their new incorruptible bodies (not flesh and blood)

    2Corinthians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

    No man means Jew or Gentile. That temporal distinction was lost at the time of refomation when temple worship lost its function (the veil was rent) used as a parable for the time then present.. God puts no difference bewtween a Jew and a Gentile sinner..Its not that one needs to be born again and the other already has there new incorruptible body.

    I would be careful if I was looking for a fleshly Jesus. It walking by sight and not faith the unseen. Walking by sight and not by faith (the unseen) was the reason for the first fall

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    The false peace must happen soon; but I believe the Eze Chapter 38-39 war might happen first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcR View Post
    The false peace must happen soon; but I believe the Eze Chapter 38-39 war might happen first.
    I read about It, It is call Hegelian doctrine, problem reaction solution.

    to make people need peace, the elite need to create big war, than people know how suffer they are, then the elite give solution, why don't we make peace agreement.

    All are a fake drama directed by elite and lucifer in behind. That is why they promote one world government, to eliminate war between country, make It one. Look like good intentions, but is not, they make look good but the real intentions is power monopoly. They have been promote NWO for long time.

    https://www.charismanews.com/opinion...ew-world-order

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    Quote Originally Posted by val5662 View Post
    Hi All....
    Does everyone know the next big event coming any day or year to our planet?
    No, it's not Jesus coming back to reign for a thousand years.
    It's the seven year peace plan.
    You can lose your soul if you are deceived by the coming Antichrist.
    Here is the best short video I have found explaining this end times prophecy in detail.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPRDpUvrldo

    Have a great day!
    Greetings val5662,

    Actually, the next big event is the appearing of the Lord to gather his church. Following that will be the revealing of the antichrist via his establishment of the seven years, which will be the fulfillment of the seventy 'seven' year periods that was decreed upon Israel and Jerusalem in Dan.9:24-27. That said, the church will have already been gathered prior to the antichrist being revealed.

    For those who study end-time events, it would be very difficult for them to be deceived by the antichrist because we would know him as soon as he made that seven year agreement, as it is the trade-mark of his being revealed. We also know that the antichrist and the wrath of God must come first before Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, which is a separate event from the Lord's appearing to gather the church.

    Furthermore, those videos on end-time events are a dime a dozen, with many being false teachings. The best way to know the truth is to study scripture for one's self.

    As for those in Christ, the next big event that we are looking forward to is the blessed hope and glorious appearance of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ (John 14:1-3, 1 Thes.4:13-18). Since we are not appointed to suffer God's coming wrath (1 Thes.1:10, 5:9, Rev.3:10) then believers must be removed prior to said wrath and that because Jesus already suffered it on every believers behalf.
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    Eschatology is a very murky area of study. There are 4 main views of it. Each Biblical and different. Daniel and Revelation are so symbolic it is very difficult to try to find a single view. Here are a couple of links to the 4 different Biblical versions of the end times (eschatology).

    Here are a couple of sites discussing the 4 main eschatologyical views. Notice some have minor variations.

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/mill.cfm

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/millenni.htm

    After reading these can anyone tell me what is difinitively going to happen?
    Hello Endoscopy,

    Some of the mainstream issues regarding these eschatological views are as follows:

    1. The coming wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments

    a. Some expositors have discounted the first six seals as not belonging to God's wrath, referring to them as tribulation or Satan's wrath, with others believing that only the bowl judgments as representing the wrath of God. What they fail to understand and reject, is that it is the Lamb/Jesus who is opening the seals, which lead into the trumpets, followed by the bowl judgment. Therefore Christ is the one who is the One unleashing God's wrath, not Satan or mankind.

    b. Not believing nor understanding that believers are not appointed to suffer God's coming wrath or any wrath, as revealed in 1 Thes.1:10, 5:9 and Rev.3:10.

    c. Not understanding that along with meeting the righteous requirements of the law, that Jesus also took upon himself the wrath of God that all believers deserve, satisfying it completely, which is why we are not appointed to suffer it.

    d. They water down God's wrath, some believing that it has already taken place applying it to historical events, with others not understanding the severity and magnitude of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, as well as the plagues that will be brought by the two witnesses.

    e. Not understanding from scripture who God's wrath will be directed at which will be the arrogant, the proud and haughty, those who will have rejected Christ and those who continue to willfully live according to the sinful nature as revealed in Rev.9:20-21. Believers will have already received Christ and will have repented of those things and there would therefore be nothing else we could do and no reason for us to go through God's wrath. And when they say that God is going to protect the church during his wrath, it again brings us back to them not understanding the severity and magnitude of God's coming wrath.

    f. Then there are some who relocate and reduce the time of God's wrath as an apologetic to those who provide scripture to the contrary and to make it fit the teaching that they have adopted, when scripture makes clear that God's wrath will take place during that entire seven year period, with Jesus returning at the end to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom.

    2. Not recognizing the gathering of the church as being a separate event from the Lord's return to the earth to end the age

    a. Regarding this, some interpret Matt.24:31 as the church being gathered, not realizing that according to scripture, the church will not be gathered by angels, but that when that voice says "come up here," the dead will rise on their own being transformed into their immortal and glorified bodies being caught up in the air, with the living being changed into their immortal and glorified bodies with the entire church meeting Christ in the air.

    These different views are arrived at via a myriad of misinterpretations and misapplications of scripture. The gathering of the church in relation to the wrath of God is always the barrier that we cannot cross, which is the main error of the other views.
    Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no account of wrongs. Love takes no pleasure in evil, but rejoices in the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

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    The false peace must happen soon; but I believe the Eze Chapter 38-39 war might happen first.
    Your eschatology is confused. There are 4 seperate Biblical views of eschatology. Jesus said no man knows when it will happen but only the Father. At 73 I have seen several attempt to make a date for it to happen when I was a teenager and later. Those dates and times are past so Jesus was correct. I turn a deaf ear to any pronouncement about even a general time. Too many have come and gone!!!

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