Is Trump the mouth in Daniel 7 & 8?

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Ellsworth1943

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Trump does not fit the bill

1. The leader will be charismatic, and everyone will want to follow him (everyone hates trump) This is enough to know trump is not him but there is more
2. the leader will come from Rome (Europe), The US is not Rome
3. The leader will be against God, I am not sure Trump is against God. what churches is he attacking?
I agree with # 1.
#2. I believe He will be an Islamic cleric that will unite all the Muslim faction against Israel.
#3. I believe that Trump is indifferent toward God. He says what he must to get Christian support. He may be saved, but I see no evidence of it.
 

louis

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Why is it that people want to make more of Trump, in a negative or positive way, than he is?
He is what he is and nothing more.
Correct, Trump is nothing more than whatever he is; but we are also suppose to be attentive to the signs mentioned in Luke 21, Mark, 13, and Matthew 24 that will usher in the Antichrist (whoever he is).
So I repeat myself, even if the mouth isn't Trump, it's still going to be someone who has many of the same extremely negative characteristics our current President has.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I agree with # 1.
#2. I believe He will be an Islamic cleric that will unite all the Muslim faction against Israel.
#3. I believe that Trump is indifferent toward God. He says what he must to get Christian support. He may be saved, but I see no evidence of it.
I agree with 2 and 3. I disagree with #3, I do not think he is catholic or Islamic, He will set himself up as God. you cannot do that in either of those two religions. I think he will be against Islam and all forms of Christianity. and any other religion there is. He makes his own religion.

its fine that we disagree though and not worth fighting..
 

louis

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#44
Trump does not fit the bill

1. The leader will be charismatic, and everyone will want to follow him (everyone hates trump) This is enough to know trump is not him but there is more
2. the leader will come from Rome (Europe), The US is not Rome
3. The leader will be against God, I am not sure Trump is against God. what churches is he attacking?
Where are the scriptures that claim the mouth/the Antichrist/the false prophet will be charismatic, or that he will come from Rome?
I don't see those anywhere.
What the mouth will do is make craft prosper (Daniel 8:24-25), which the stock markets skyrocketing today (not just in the U.S., but around the world) may be seen as our current Presidents unfriendly environmental policies bringing about.
This is the main charisma I see the mouth/the Antichrist/the false prophet having.

Daniel 8:24 [FONT=&quot]And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and shall prosper, and practise[/FONT][FONT=&quot], and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.[/FONT]
 
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#45
I agree with # 1.
#2. I believe He will be an Islamic cleric that will unite all the Muslim faction against Israel.
#3. I believe that Trump is indifferent toward God. He says what he must to get Christian support. He may be saved, but I see no evidence of it.
Trump is not saved.

Islam and the world will clash and Islam will fall before the beast kingdom is accepted.

The man of sin is of the occult,nature worship,witchcraft,spiritual evolution through nature,and acknowledges no God,but in his estate he shall honor the God of forces,or the power of nature as his higher power.

And that is why Islam and the world clashes,for the world has went the way of the occult,spiritual evolution through nature,and a hate crime to teach a belief not compatible,and the religion of Islam believes in a personal God.

The religion of Islam does not have the beliefs of the beast kingdom,but the new age movement does,which the religion of Islam wants nothing to do with it.

And God warns us of the new age movement interpretation of the Bible,and the new age movement is the future for this sinful world,and the new age movement will pave the way to the beast kingdom.

The religion of Islam wants nothing to do with what the beast kingdom is about so they sure are not the ones of the beast kingdom.

And also the religion of Islam will have no power against Israel for they are protected by God from physical attack until the beast rules for three and one half years,when God turns Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,and the religion of Islam fell before the beast came to power.

So the religion of Islam sure cannot be the beast kingdom,and the Roman Empire does not lose her dominion until God puts them down,and then the saints shall possess the kingdom,which the Roman Empire is all Caucasian led nations,or any nation taken over by a Caucasian nation,which is the power base of the beast,which they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men,as they pull all nations together in the name of peace for the world,which all Gentile governments will come together,but the religion of Islam rebelled and were devastated.
 

louis

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#46
I agree with # 1.
#2. I believe He will be an Islamic cleric that will unite all the Muslim faction against Israel.
#3. I believe that Trump is indifferent toward God. He says what he must to get Christian support. He may be saved, but I see no evidence of it.
For a long time I believed the Antichrist represented Qaddaffi. Qaddaffi met some of the criteria, but Trump still seems to meet more of the criteria.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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#47
The Lord God is love according to 1 John 4:8 & 16.
Do President Trump's actions acknowledge Love, and loving his neighbor?
Yes. I do. He is the only one brave enough to speak up on some issues.
 

Nehemiah6

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#48
No, this has nothing to do with Trump. This is talking about Satan and his minions.
Correct. This mouth speaking great things is the blasphemous mouth of the Antichrist. Now here's the difference between Donald Trump and the coming Antichrist. Trump is almost universally HATED because he is trying to do the right thing for America and ordinary Americans (not the elite). But the Antichrist will be universally ADMIRED AND WORSHIPPED because he will have all of Satan's deceptive powers at his disposal.

Misapplying Bible prophecy is a rather dangerous occupation. It is better to say nothing than to say things which have no reality.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Donald Trump doesn't even make the top 50.

[video=youtube;qZHO2hgIUA4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZHO2hgIUA4[/video]
 
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7seasrekeyed

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#50
The Lord God is love according to 1 John 4:8 & 16.
Do President Trump's actions acknowledge Love, and loving his neighbor?
does allowing Eastern Christians to be persecuted and killed in horrible ways create the impression of a Christian?

you know, Obama called himself a Christian...more than once...IMO he almost choked on the word but that's another story

how is it you overlook the fact that Trump has taken decisive action while the previous admin not only allowed ISIS to grow, but turned their back on who they called their brothers and sisters in Christ?

talk about perverse!

black is white and white is black to some and I am not talking race there

folks who believe love is all about mushy feelings better read Revelation for a crash course on the love of God and how He displays it when He calls the final curtain and the events leading up to it
 

Nehemiah6

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Do President Trump's actions acknowledge Love, and loving his neighbor?
Looks like you have joined the crowd of Trump haters. While Obama was in office, not a word was said about his evil and treasonous deeds simply because he was black.

Now that Trump is trying to reverse all the damage done by Obama, he has no "love" according to the Left-Liberals, the Democrats, the Anarchists, and the Globalists. To say nothing about the rogue nations which have been promoting state-sponsored terrorism for decades. If people cannot see the good that Trump is accomplishing while supporting Christians and Jews, it simply means that blind hatred has consumed those who prefer evil over good.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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#52
does allowing Eastern Christians to be persecuted and killed in horrible ways create the impression of a Christian?

you know, Obama called himself a Christian...more than once...IMO he almost choked on the word but that's another story

how is it you overlook the fact that Trump has taken decisive action while the previous admin not only allowed ISIS to grow, but turned their back on who they called their brothers and sisters in Christ?

talk about perverse!

black is white and white is black to some and I am not talking race there

folks who believe love is all about mushy feelings better read Revelation for a crash course on the love of God and how He displays it when He calls the final curtain and the events leading up to it
You have reminded me-
I think this is a scripture for our present time. A time when the world is pressuring us strongly to re-define all things.


Isaiah 5:20

Woe to those who call evil good
and good evil,
who put darkness for light
and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
and sweet for bitter.


Messiah came to us on the first part of his mission gentle and riding a donkey. The Lamb of God.
Many of the religious community didn't recognise him.
He will return to us fierce and riding a white horse. The Lion of Judah.
Many of the religious seem to expect the Lamb again.

He will always have love but sometimes love is tough.The Bible tells us there is a time for every purpose. A time for peace and a time for war. A time for love but also a time for hate. Hating evil and falsehood is not un-Christian.
 

star

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#53
Correct, Trump is nothing more than whatever he is; but we are also suppose to be attentive to the signs mentioned in Luke 21, Mark, 13, and Matthew 24 that will usher in the Antichrist (whoever he is).
So I repeat myself, even if the mouth isn't Trump, it's still going to be someone who has many of the same extremely negative characteristics our current President has.

What extremely negative characteristics? I've seen a forthright, getter done, love for the American people. Not sure we re looking at the same man. But then again, my answer to the OP is no.
 
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Ellsworth1943

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#54
I agree with 2 and 3. I disagree with #3, I do not think he is catholic or Islamic, He will set himself up as God. you cannot do that in either of those two religions. I think he will be against Islam and all forms of Christianity. and any other religion there is. He makes his own religion.

its fine that we disagree though and not worth fighting..
Islam is looking for the return of the twelfth Imam and he may claim to be him.
He will set himself up as god. I just do not see him as a European and do not understand how some insist he is.
BUT, no one knows for sure. It is sad that some will insist that they know and will condemn you for disagreeing or challenge what they think they know.

We man soon know.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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#55
You have reminded me-
I think this is a scripture for our present time. A time when the world is pressuring us strongly to re-define all things.


Isaiah 5:20

Woe to those who call evil good
and good evil,
who put darkness for light
and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
and sweet for bitter.


Messiah came to us on the first part of his mission gentle and riding a donkey. The Lamb of God.
Many of the religious community didn't recognise him.
He will return to us fierce and riding a white horse. The Lion of Judah.
Many of the religious seem to expect the Lamb again.

He will always have love but sometimes love is tough.The Bible tells us there is a time for every purpose. A time for peace and a time for war. A time for love but also a time for hate. Hating evil and falsehood is not un-Christian.
oh for sure

I believe God drew my attention to that exact same scripture quite a few years ago, so yeah, that resonates with me
 

CherieR

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President Trump is the US president who recognized Jerusalem as Israel's captital and wants to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. One of the jobs of the embassy is to protect the people who live there. Jerusalem may very well be where protection is most needed. We are encouraged in Scripture to pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
 

tanakh

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You all who? I don't follow.
You only need to read this thread to see that he has a big fan club. If you dig out those threads that were current up to the Presidential election and after they read as if he were the Messiah. Other Republican candidates hardly get a look in.
 

posthuman

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Nope, President Trump is a good servant, he is probably one of the only Christian Heads of State currently reigning. After that UN vote to condemn Israel and America (by far the most Christian nation in the world, and maybe the only major one)

wow

you can't be serious
 

mcubed

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In Daniel 7 & 8 the beast with ten horns is provided a mouth that speaks great things.
This mouth that speaks great things casts some of the stars of heaven to the ground and stamps all over them (Daniel 9:10).
He is also described in Daniel 8:12 casting truth to the ground.
With the understanding that the Lords angels provide mankind with illumination and truth, we can then assess the stars of heaven that are cast to the ground being the illumination Gods angels provide mankind.
He has a massive ego (Daniel 8:11), which makes him see himself as God.
While the little horns mouth is speking his great things and denying truth, he also causes craft to prosper (Daniel 8:24-25).
Now let's look at Trump.
He constantly speaks how great things are going to be.
He is a pathological liar.
He has a massive ego.
His policies so far seem to have caused the stock market to sky rocket.
While these truths about Trump do not necessarilly mean Trump is the beasts mouth, he nevertheless does meet all the criteria I have posted so far.


Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Daniel 8:
10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down.
12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Lol... We shall see... The election was between the GREAT LIAR HILLARY and the maybe great liar TRUMP... At least we have to wait to see what happens instead of just bend over and kiss are butts goodbuy if was Hillary in office...
 

Nehemiah6

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You only need to read this thread to see that he has a big fan club. If you dig out those threads that were current up to the Presidential election and after they read as if he were the Messiah. Other Republican candidates hardly get a look in.
You seem to be forgetting that the other candidates were politicians and were also trying to please their donors while lying to the public. Trump paid his own way, he was his own man, and he has clearly demonstrated that he is more than capable of holding this office in spite of all the hatred and evil-speaking which has been gratuitously thrown at him. He is also donating his full Presidential salary as promised. No politician would do that. And the other politicians would have cracked by now.

Christians are to judge righteously and give credit where credit is due. Suggesting that Trump was being regarded as a Messiah does not square with the facts. On the other hand, his platform and policies were reflecting what the majority of sensible voters and ordinary people have wanted for a very long time, but have been denied by the swamp dwellers in Washington who run for office simply to serve themselves. And the proof is in the fact that nothing was done about Obamacare even though the RINOs had every reason to repeal and replace.