Understanding the End of Days

[Bladerunner]

lol,this Bema seat those who have no part of (Revelation 20:6) hmmm,does this mean that they have no part in it's judgement or that they will then be a part of it?,,,

The above is just one of the many reasons the Post Trib rapture was debunked a long time ago. Still we have people believe in it... Just to be sure, They are the same page as the Pre-tribers with the etc of the timing of the Rapture and their having to go through Daniel's 70th week. I'll not go into the other reason but there are many which they ignore.


In my mind, they are akin to the

10 virgins...All were believers in Jesus Christ. The foolish 5 virgins did not have enough oil therefore was trying to buy oil when Jesus came after them (the Rapture). The non-foolish virgins has looked ahead and had procured enough oil to last them until Jesus Arrived.

How does this affect Believers?

To get the answer to this question, all one needs to do is look to the 7 letters Jesus wrote Himself. He wrote them to the Church(es) of all ages. Each letter has a phrase that tells me, each letter is also for each of us. "He that hath an ear".

I suggest checking out each letter and see if the failings or the successes of each Church pertains to you. That is "If you hath an EAR"

 

[iamsoandso]

From a Jewish perspective, Looking at Daniel and Revelation in light of Mat 24, Zec chapters 12-14, Isa 66, and 1Thes 4;

I believe that the Great Tribulation is to be an end time event beginning with the rebirth of national Israel (either 11/7/1947 or 5/5/1948---The UN mandate or the seating of the first Kenesset). I believe that the first seal was opened just before the onset of WWII, and that the fifth seal is already open.

I believe that the rapture spoken of in 1Thes 4 will occur after sixth seal is opened and before the seventh.

I believe that the war of Eze chapters 38-39 will happen shortly certainly before the tribulation.

Damascus is the oldest continuously occupied city in the world. Its destruction is foretold in Isa 17:1
17 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.
KJV

That destruction is currently in progress courtesy of ISIS.

Something is curious about this, if the Lord said to the Jews that if another shall come in his own name and that they would receive him,John 5:43 then they as it seems would accept the one who comes in his own name as the King,Messiah ect. seeing they did not receive Jesus as such.Luke 19:39...

So then if they are to receive the one who comes in his own name as the "King,Messiah" will they do this before or after Jesus 2nd coming? lol, now I ask this because of what you bring up about 1947,48. Why is that there also is to rise one who they are deceived by who stands up in a kingdom that they believe to be "the kingdom come".

Now so if they receive Jesus as the King, Matthew 23:39,,Luke 13:35 and then afterwards receive that imposter then they would deny Jesus as Christ and replace him with another when he comes(don't seem correct). Instead it seems that an kingdom rises whom the world recognizes as Israel, the kingdom of God beforehand and the vile one comes and they receive him,and then they realize the mistake and behold the one whom they pierced and say to Jesus "Blessed is he that cometh...". lol Anyway there seems to be two kingdoms to ponder one which is the true one and one which is an imposter. So which of these two kingdoms do you think rose in 1948 is it the kingdom that the vile one rises in or the Kingdom of God?

 

[MarcR]

Something is curious about this, if the Lord said to the Jews that if another shall come in his own name and that they would receive him,John 5:43 then they as it seems would accept the one who comes in his own name as the King,Messiah ect. seeing they did not receive Jesus as such.Luke 19:39...

So then if they are to receive the one who comes in his own name as the "King,Messiah" will they do this before or after Jesus 2nd coming? lol, now I ask this because of what you bring up about 1947,48. Why is that there also is to rise one who they are deceived by who stands up in a kingdom that they believe to be "the kingdom come".

Now so if they receive Jesus as the King, Matthew 23:39,,Luke 13:35 and then afterwards receive that imposter then they would deny Jesus as Christ and replace him with another when he comes(don't seem correct). Instead it seems that an kingdom rises whom the world recognizes as Israel, the kingdom of God beforehand and the vile one comes and they receive him,and then they realize the mistake and behold the one whom they pierced and say to Jesus "Blessed is he that cometh...". lol Anyway there seems to be two kingdoms to ponder one which is the true one and one which is an imposter. So which of these two kingdoms do you think rose in 1948 is it the kingdom that the vile one rises in or the Kingdom of God?

According to Zec 14 Jesus will not be received as Messiah until after the second coming.

 

[iamsoandso]

The above is just one of the many reasons the Post Trib rapture was debunked a long time ago. Still we have people believe in it... Just to be sure, They are the same page as the Pre-tribers with the etc of the timing of the Rapture and their having to go through Daniel's 70th week. I'll not go into the other reason but there are many which they ignore.


In my mind, they are akin to the

10 virgins...All were believers in Jesus Christ. The foolish 5 virgins did not have enough oil therefore was trying to buy oil when Jesus came after them (the Rapture). The non-foolish virgins has looked ahead and had procured enough oil to last them until Jesus Arrived.

How does this affect Believers?

To get the answer to this question, all one needs to do is look to the 7 letters Jesus wrote Himself. He wrote them to the Church(es) of all ages. Each letter has a phrase that tells me, each letter is also for each of us. "He that hath an ear".

I suggest checking out each letter and see if the failings or the successes of each Church pertains to you. That is "If you hath an EAR"

lol, In the letters to the 7 Churches Jesus chastised all but 2. He told the others that if they did not obey he would remove their candlestick,the ones who obeyed he would give a new name,the tree of life ect.ect. so it is obvious that the "judgement of the Church"(angels gathering into the barn or casting into the fire) had not yet taken place at the time the Revelation was given.

 

[iamsoandso]

According to Zec 14 Jesus will not be received as Messiah until after the second coming.

Then will the vile one rise in that kingdom and them receive him as Messiah before Christ second coming?

 

[Ahwatukee]

From a Jewish perspective, Looking at Daniel and Revelation in light of Mat 24, Zec chapters 12-14, Isa 66, and 1Thes 4;

I believe that the Great Tribulation is to be an end time event beginning with the rebirth of national Israel (either 11/7/1947 or 5/5/1948---The UN mandate or the seating of the first Kenesset). I believe that the first seal was opened just before the onset of WWII, and that the fifth seal is already open.

I believe that the rapture spoken of in 1Thes 4 will occur after sixth seal is opened and before the seventh.

I believe that the war of Eze chapters 38-39 will happen shortly certainly before the tribulation.

Damascus is the oldest continuously occupied city in the world. Its destruction is foretold in Isa 17:1
17 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.
KJV

That destruction is currently in progress courtesy of ISIS.

Hello MarcR,

With all due respect, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments have not yet begun. Through these are how God's wrath is going to be poured out upon the earth and they are not going to be events such as WWI and II that have come and gone. These are going to be events that will take place during that last seven years leading up to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age which will decimate the majority of the population of the earth and dismantle all human government.

In addition, the 1st seal, the rider on the white horse, is symbolic representing the antichrist. Since the antichrist has yet to be revealed, then the 1st seal could not have yet been opened.

 

[Joseppi]

The end of days prophecies are given us to edify our faith during those days lest we grow weary and uncertain and they are given us so that we know in a practicalway what to do and expect in those times.

There are numerous false teachings misleading Christians at this time immediately before the time of the end proceed forward in short order.
1. The false doctrine of belief in the notion of "the unconditional love."
2. The false doctrine of a "secret coming of Jesus Christ."
3. The false doctrine of"Escape from tribulation."
4. The false doctrine of a "Worldly Prosperity" so called gospel.

And there are other satanic doctrines of devils aimed at either, disarming, misinforming, misleading or destroying the morale of the Christian.
Again, this why it behooves readers to recognize God's aim at the time ofthe end lest we find men fantizising about whimsical notions of prophecy that are nevertheless, discernible as contrary to non-private interpretations of scripture.
For example the above four false doctrines contradict knowing that...

1. God's condition for salvation is faithfulness to Jesus.
2. Jesus will come as lightening that shineth from the east untothe west, and every eye shall see him.
3. In the world you will have tribulation.
4. Store up yout treasures in heaven.

 

[garee]

Hello MarcR,

With all due respect, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments have not yet begun. Through these are how God's wrath is going to be poured out upon the earth and they are not going to be events such as WWI and II that have come and gone. These are going to be events that will take place during that last seven years leading up to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age which will decimate the majority of the population of the earth and dismantle all human government.

In addition, the 1st seal, the rider on the white horse, is symbolic representing the antichrist. Since the antichrist has yet to be revealed, then the 1st seal could not have yet been opened.

The wrath of God has been revealed from heaven and continues to be revealed in those who exchange the truth of God for a lie. The Antichrists those who insist we need men(seen) to teach us usurping the teaching ministry of the anointing one, the Spirit of Christ are already here, as Satan works in the heart of men to deceive them.


Peter makes a good example of the working of the antichrists (many) when he blaspheme the name by which we are called heavenward in respect to the Son of man .as that seen . Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit not seen is not forgivable. We must walk by faith, the unseen..

Its the last day not last days or what you call seven years. It is the day of the second resurrection as the final, as well as the last trump, judgment for the world. The new heaven and earth have appeared, the former things of this world will not be remembered or ever come to mind.

Christ will not reign in the flesh on this corrupted world . He is not a man as us.

If you are looking for him to put on the temporal flesh for another demonstration it simply will not happen. We do not know Christ that even though some did .never again in that way forever more .It has nothing to do with world war 2 or any world war that is involve with the political issues of nations.. We walk by faith the unseen.

It is why the book of Revelation which is given from the standpoint of the last day the Lord's day it is signified .using the things seen to give us the eternal spiritual understanding hid from the lost. Without parables, Christ the Son of God spoke not, and the book of Revelation is not exempt.

What will shorty come to pass in the verse below is the last day, (not days) signified as the Lord's day( not days) the last trump, as the one voice of God .

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

 

[OMEGA777]

To OTHERWAY 210

As a Christian , I am only doing what the Bible says to do.

1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

 

[OMEGA777]

666 is the Number of a Man

Re 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:

for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

6+6+6 = 18 Maybe this year 2018 we will see the Man.

 

[Waggles]

666 is the Number of a Man
Re 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:

for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
6+6+6 = 18 Maybe this year 2018 we will see the Man.

He has been destroying Christianity for the last 1,500 years.
The Popes, the Papacy and Rome is the chief of anti-Christs whose corruption
of scriptures and doctrines was not fully rescinded by the Reformation.
Look at the Popes and RC and you will see the anti-Christ.

 

[Nehemiah6]

He has been destroying Christianity for the last 1,500 years. The Popes, the Papacy and Rome is the chief of anti-Christs whose corruption of scriptures and doctrines was not fully rescinded by the Reformation. Look at the Popes and RC and you will see the anti-Christ.

While the popes and the papacy have been promoting False Christianity and undermining the true Gospel, the Pope as such does not fit the description of the Man of Sin. No pope has been a MIRACLE WORKER but the Antichrist will be an amazing miracle worker who will dazzle the world with signs and lying wonders. He will also claim to be the true Messiah and God (thus counterfeiting Christ).

 

[Waggles]

While the popes and the papacy have been promoting False Christianity and undermining the true Gospel, the Pope as such does not fit the description of the Man of Sin. No pope has been a MIRACLE WORKER but the Antichrist will be an amazing miracle worker who will dazzle the world with signs and lying wonders. He will also claim to be the true Messiah and God (thus counterfeiting Christ).

You need to study the history of the Popes and Catholicism
more. Of course the RC church has its portion of false miracles
and lying wonders.
Fatima 1917 is a prime example.

 

[Bladerunner]

Well let us see what happens.
No amount of speculation will undo what shall transpire.

Please remember you said that : when:

 

[Bladerunner]

Spend some time on this site, and open up each group of years listed. It will blow your mind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_wars_by_date

So no wikipedia is in the prophecy mode? Since it is man made, God should love that.

 

[OMEGA777]

Even thought there was the Four Blood Moon in 2014 and 2015 and the Jupiter Ascending on Sept 23, 2017,;

I still think that the Rapture will take Place as Soon as the POPE SITS IN THE TEMPLE.

 

[MarcR]

Hello MarcR,

With all due respect, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments have not yet begun. Through these are how God's wrath is going to be poured out upon the earth and they are not going to be events such as WWI and II that have come and gone. These are going to be events that will take place during that last seven years leading up to the Lord's return to the earth to end the age which will decimate the majority of the population of the earth and dismantle all human government.

In addition, the 1st seal, the rider on the white horse, is symbolic representing the antichrist. Since the antichrist has yet to be revealed, then the 1st seal could not have yet been opened.

We disagree. It has happened before and will likely happen again.

Jesus will correct one or both of us in His own time.

 

[tanakh]

What's wrong with the Rapture being the first coming event before other Bible prophecies are fulfilled?

It is simply amazing how much animosity there is towards a Pre-Millennial Pre-Tribulation Rapture. Which is almost a clear indication that it is indeed the truth. The Rapture is shown to be imminent since the time that the Lord ascended up to Heaven.

There is no question that severe and terrible judgments will come upon this earth, and possibly sooner that later. But those judgments are for THE UNBELIEVING AND THE UNGODLY, not for the saints of God. The judgments and wrath which were due to believers were already applied to the Lord Jesus Christ on the Cross. When He cried "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" it was the culmination of all the judgment against sin which was borne by the Lamb of God. Now those who believe on Him have been delivered from the wrath to come. Which means that the saints will be taken home before God pours out His judgments on an unbelieving and wicked world.

My main objection to the Pre Tribulation Rapture belief is the 'Left Behind' hype that goes with it.. The bible clearly teaches that the wrath of God is aimed at none believers but many Pre Tribbers appear to believe that this refers not just to the wicked but to NONE BELIEVERS OF THE PRE TRIBULATION RAPTURE in short if you dont believe it you will be condemned. Salvation through the belief in the finished work of Christ is thrown aside. Instead we are told we need to 'Be Ready'. What are we meant to be ready for? As its believed that Christ could return at any second I can only assume that we have to change our views and become Pre Trib or else we get left behind. We are presented with this exclusive group of super saints similar to the JWs 144000.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

My main objection to the Pre Tribulation Rapture belief is the 'Left Behind' hype that goes with it.. The bible clearly teaches that the wrath of God is aimed at none believers but many Pre Tribbers appear to believe that this refers not just to the wicked but to NONE BELIEVERS OF THE PRE TRIBULATION RAPTURE in short if you dont believe it you will be condemned. Salvation through the belief in the finished work of Christ is thrown aside. Instead we are told we need to 'Be Ready'. What are we meant to be ready for? As its believed that Christ could return at any second I can only assume that we have to change our views and become Pre Trib or else we get left behind. We are presented with this exclusive group of super saints similar to the JWs 144000.

I'm not entirely convinced there will be a pre-trib rapture but I have never had the impression that pre-tribbers teach you MUST believe in that specific doctrine in order to be caught up.

 

[breno785au]

But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even till the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

And he said, Go your way, Daniel: for the words are closed and sealed till the time of the end.

None of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
Daniel 12

These scriptures reveal when the time of the end has come, that at that time the wise shall know and understand perfectly what the truth is in those times.
By these scriptures I know that the time of the end has come and that nothing forbids our understanding of the end of days prophecies. As it is now when the knowledge is authorized to be given to all who have faith in Jesus and are wise.

Are you wise?

As if I'm wise on my own accord.