Understanding the End of Days
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Paul sets out very clearly the order of events leading up to the second coming in 2 Thess 2 vs 3 -8
They are ;
1 A falling away
2 The Antichrist being revealed
3 The Antichrist will be slain by the breath of the Lords Mouth at his appearing.
This is a plain step by step outline. How clearer does it have to be I wonder
In this Chapter Paul makes two important statements. First he urges the Thessalonians not to be Deceived into believing that the lord has already come. How many future believers will be deceived during the tribulation I wonder. Secondly he speaks of a strong delusion being sent so that some will believe a lie
They are ;
1 A falling away
2 The Antichrist being revealed
3 The Antichrist will be slain by the breath of the Lords Mouth at his appearing.
This is a plain step by step outline. How clearer does it have to be I wonder
In this Chapter Paul makes two important statements. First he urges the Thessalonians not to be Deceived into believing that the lord has already come. How many future believers will be deceived during the tribulation I wonder. Secondly he speaks of a strong delusion being sent so that some will believe a lie
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Hello OMEGA777,
You quote Rev. 12: Re 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness [UNOCUPPIED PLACE], where she hath a PLACE PREPARED BY GOD [JESUS], that they should NOURISH her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Re 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the [UNOCUPPIED PLACE], into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. Let's further define where this wilderness will be: Rev 12:15,16: "And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth."
OK so the water in prophecy is always people [I hope you agree] - Then how this wilderness be in heaven. The devil cannot send a flood of people to heaven. The earth cannot swallow a hoard of people in heaven. It must be on earth. Thoughts?
Yours,
Deade
You quote Rev. 12: Re 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness [UNOCUPPIED PLACE], where she hath a PLACE PREPARED BY GOD [JESUS], that they should NOURISH her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Re 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the [UNOCUPPIED PLACE], into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. Let's further define where this wilderness will be: Rev 12:15,16: "And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth."
OK so the water in prophecy is always people [I hope you agree] - Then how this wilderness be in heaven. The devil cannot send a flood of people to heaven. The earth cannot swallow a hoard of people in heaven. It must be on earth. Thoughts?
Yours,
Deade
Rev 12, The waters are people.
The dragon has 7 heads and 10 horns, Rome.
The woman is Israel.
The wilderness, is the wilderness of the gentile nations, Jerusalem is her home.
The 3 1/2 times has an end and a beginning.
It begins when the woman flees her home because the Roman beast dragon is trying to kill her.
When the 3 1/2 times is ended, she returns home to Jerusalem.
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The 3 1/2 times are not literal years. They are symbolic of the 2nd half of the times of the gentiles, from 70 ad until 1967.
The first 3 1/2 times is from Babylon until 70 ad, Dan 12:7.
Together, they make the 7 times, which is the same time span as the statue in Daniel 2.
The dragon has 7 heads and 10 horns, Rome.
The woman is Israel.
The wilderness, is the wilderness of the gentile nations, Jerusalem is her home.
The 3 1/2 times has an end and a beginning.
It begins when the woman flees her home because the Roman beast dragon is trying to kill her.
When the 3 1/2 times is ended, she returns home to Jerusalem.
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The 3 1/2 times are not literal years. They are symbolic of the 2nd half of the times of the gentiles, from 70 ad until 1967.
The first 3 1/2 times is from Babylon until 70 ad, Dan 12:7.
Together, they make the 7 times, which is the same time span as the statue in Daniel 2.
The end of days is here.
When Jerusalem falls this time, there will be no fleeing, and the events of the 7th trumpet will take place, the rapture/ resurrection.
When Jesus comes for the kingdom, then the planet will be destroyed by fire, DON'T LOOK BACK, KEEP YOUR EYES ON JESUS.
Jerusalem is going to fall, to the kings of the east, across the Euphrates (Iran),
And the forces of the gentile nations, Magog (Russia, Syria, Egypt, etc.).
All the events of this world are spiraling to this one event, the fall of Jerusalem, Jerusalem restored to Israel, will fall.
3 1/2 days later, Jesus will come for the kingdom at the 7th/last trumpet, and the great judgment will follow.
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This is the last chance for Israel to accept Jesus as the sacrifice for sins, the Son of God, the son of Abraham.
The prophecies concerning the Lamb could only have been fulfilled at the time of Jesus, by Jesus. How can Israel have the vail removed? 2 Cor 3:13-15? Only by the Holy Spirit. When will it be removed? Will we know, if it is?
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The events that are taking place in our world today, cannot be changed, cannot be altered as they are God's word.
But I believe in God's mercy towards all souls, so I do not ask that the world last any longer that what God has declared, but I do pray that all will accept Jesus as Savior and as their sacrifice for sin.
When Jerusalem falls this time, there will be no fleeing, and the events of the 7th trumpet will take place, the rapture/ resurrection.
When Jesus comes for the kingdom, then the planet will be destroyed by fire, DON'T LOOK BACK, KEEP YOUR EYES ON JESUS.
Jerusalem is going to fall, to the kings of the east, across the Euphrates (Iran),
And the forces of the gentile nations, Magog (Russia, Syria, Egypt, etc.).
All the events of this world are spiraling to this one event, the fall of Jerusalem, Jerusalem restored to Israel, will fall.
3 1/2 days later, Jesus will come for the kingdom at the 7th/last trumpet, and the great judgment will follow.
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This is the last chance for Israel to accept Jesus as the sacrifice for sins, the Son of God, the son of Abraham.
The prophecies concerning the Lamb could only have been fulfilled at the time of Jesus, by Jesus. How can Israel have the vail removed? 2 Cor 3:13-15? Only by the Holy Spirit. When will it be removed? Will we know, if it is?
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The events that are taking place in our world today, cannot be changed, cannot be altered as they are God's word.
But I believe in God's mercy towards all souls, so I do not ask that the world last any longer that what God has declared, but I do pray that all will accept Jesus as Savior and as their sacrifice for sin.
To : Ahwatukee from OMEGA777 - Good Try but NO CIGAR "cigar"
The problem is that, the same person who is making the covenant with many is the same person, who after causing the daily sacrifice and evening oblation to cease, is the same person who sets up the abomination in the holy place within the temple, which causes the desolation of Jerusalem.
Therefore, in keeping with their interpretation, Jesus would be the one setting up the abomination of desolation in the holy place and causing the desolation of Jerusalem. The abomination is described in Rev.13:14-15 as an “Image” made in honor of the beast who receives the fatal head wound. Jesus also commented on this when he said:
“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place’ (whoever reads, let him understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.” Here, Jesus mentions the setting up of that abomination of desolation in a negetive way, that is, when you see this happen, run!
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The problem is that, the same person who is making the covenant with many is the same person, who after causing the daily sacrifice and evening oblation to cease, is the same person who sets up the abomination in the holy place within the temple, which causes the desolation of Jerusalem.
Therefore, in keeping with their interpretation, Jesus would be the one setting up the abomination of desolation in the holy place and causing the desolation of Jerusalem. The abomination is described in Rev.13:14-15 as an “Image” made in honor of the beast who receives the fatal head wound. Jesus also commented on this when he said:
“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place’ (whoever reads, let him understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.” Here, Jesus mentions the setting up of that abomination of desolation in a negetive way, that is, when you see this happen, run!
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OMEGA777 To DEADE
The Flood is referring to EGYPTIAN SOLDIERS ATTACKING GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE HISTORICALLY
Ex 15:9 The enemy said, I will pursue, I will overtake, I will divide the spoil;
my lust shall be satisfied upon them; I will draw my sword, my hand shall destroy them.
10 Thou didst blow with thy wind, the sea covered them: they sank as lead in the mighty waters.
Ex 15:12 Thou stretchedst out thy right hand, the earth swallowed them.
The Flood is referring to EGYPTIAN SOLDIERS ATTACKING GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE HISTORICALLY
Ex 15:9 The enemy said, I will pursue, I will overtake, I will divide the spoil;
my lust shall be satisfied upon them; I will draw my sword, my hand shall destroy them.
10 Thou didst blow with thy wind, the sea covered them: they sank as lead in the mighty waters.
Ex 15:12 Thou stretchedst out thy right hand, the earth swallowed them.
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Greetings Deade and OMEGA777,
Just fyi, all of Rev.12 is future. In fact, everything from chapter 4:1 is future represented by the "what must take place after this," i.e. after the church period.
The woman who is clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars is identified in Genesis 37:9-10 is the nation Israel. In the middle of the seven years, that antichrist/beast will set up that abomination within the coming temple which causes the woman to flee out into the desert where she will be cared for 1260 days, which is that last 3 1/2 years of the seven year period.
The woman/Israel giving birth to the male child is also future, with the male child being a collective name for the 144,000 who come out of unbelieving Israel, being the first fruits out of Israel who will recognize Jesus as their Messiah (gives birth to). For those who believe that the male child is referring to Jesus, he doesn't fit the criteria of the male child. The other event that takes place in the middle of the seven years, is the war in heaven where Satan and his angels are cast out, which is also the results of the 7th trumpet/3rd woe. This is where the woman (unbelieving Israel) flees out into the desert and is cared for during that last 3 1/2 until Christ returns to the earth to end the age.
Just fyi, all of Rev.12 is future. In fact, everything from chapter 4:1 is future represented by the "what must take place after this," i.e. after the church period.
The woman who is clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars is identified in Genesis 37:9-10 is the nation Israel. In the middle of the seven years, that antichrist/beast will set up that abomination within the coming temple which causes the woman to flee out into the desert where she will be cared for 1260 days, which is that last 3 1/2 years of the seven year period.
The woman/Israel giving birth to the male child is also future, with the male child being a collective name for the 144,000 who come out of unbelieving Israel, being the first fruits out of Israel who will recognize Jesus as their Messiah (gives birth to). For those who believe that the male child is referring to Jesus, he doesn't fit the criteria of the male child. The other event that takes place in the middle of the seven years, is the war in heaven where Satan and his angels are cast out, which is also the results of the 7th trumpet/3rd woe. This is where the woman (unbelieving Israel) flees out into the desert and is cared for during that last 3 1/2 until Christ returns to the earth to end the age.
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Hello OMEGA777,
The flood that the dragon spews out of his mouth is indeed an army, but a future one, not past. Many times in scripture and depending on the context, the words, torrent, flood, river, raging waters, refers to an army, as revealed from the following scriptures, just to name a few (Ps.124:1, 144:7, Dan 11:10, Jer.46:7, 47:1-3).
In the middle of the seven years, Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth. It is at this time when the abomination is set up the woman/Israel flees out into the desert. The dragon/Satan will send a flood/army after her, but God will open up the earth and swallow that army, just like with Dathan and Abiram and their entire family, tents and all, who were swallowed up by the earth, except on a larger scale.
The dragon/Satan sending a flood/army after the woman/Israel will happen in the middle of the seven years, but God will help the woman by opening the earth and swallowing the flood, where the woman will be cared for in that place God will have prepared for her during that last 3 1/2 years, where at which time Christ will return to the earth to end the age.
The flood that the dragon spews out of his mouth is indeed an army, but a future one, not past. Many times in scripture and depending on the context, the words, torrent, flood, river, raging waters, refers to an army, as revealed from the following scriptures, just to name a few (Ps.124:1, 144:7, Dan 11:10, Jer.46:7, 47:1-3).
In the middle of the seven years, Satan and his angels will be cast out of heaven and restricted to the earth. It is at this time when the abomination is set up the woman/Israel flees out into the desert. The dragon/Satan will send a flood/army after her, but God will open up the earth and swallow that army, just like with Dathan and Abiram and their entire family, tents and all, who were swallowed up by the earth, except on a larger scale.
The dragon/Satan sending a flood/army after the woman/Israel will happen in the middle of the seven years, but God will help the woman by opening the earth and swallowing the flood, where the woman will be cared for in that place God will have prepared for her during that last 3 1/2 years, where at which time Christ will return to the earth to end the age.
It's not a good try, but the truth.
Um, your response does not support what you are claiming. You are correct in that the "He" in Dan.9:27 is referring to the same person, which is why the "He" cannot be referring to Christ.
The definition of "Bdelugma" translated as "Abomination" is a reeking stench that goes up before God, an accursed thing. And are you saying that Jesus is the one who sets up the abomination? If so, by Jesus setting up the abomination that would have him blaspheming God and himself.
To be clear, the "He" in Dan.9:27 is the antichrist. He is the same one who establishes the covenant with Israel, the same one who causes the sacrifice and offerings to cease and is the same one who sets up the abomination, which is against God. Jesus is not the "He" of the verse.
I think that you should go back and read my post that you are responding to, because I have always maintained that the antichrist is the "He" being spoken of in Dan.9:27 and not Jesus.
Um, your response does not support what you are claiming. You are correct in that the "He" in Dan.9:27 is referring to the same person, which is why the "He" cannot be referring to Christ.
The definition of "Bdelugma" translated as "Abomination" is a reeking stench that goes up before God, an accursed thing. And are you saying that Jesus is the one who sets up the abomination? If so, by Jesus setting up the abomination that would have him blaspheming God and himself.
To be clear, the "He" in Dan.9:27 is the antichrist. He is the same one who establishes the covenant with Israel, the same one who causes the sacrifice and offerings to cease and is the same one who sets up the abomination, which is against God. Jesus is not the "He" of the verse.
I think that you should go back and read my post that you are responding to, because I have always maintained that the antichrist is the "He" being spoken of in Dan.9:27 and not Jesus.
Rev 1:13.."And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle."
John is in the spirit here and has been taken in the spirit to a distant future where the vision is of Jesus Christ in Heaven. The Seven lampstands that represent the seven Churches well, He is walking in the midst of them.
Later on as John is taken to the Throne room, the 24 elders (representing the Body of CHrist) are already there.
THe Rapture has Already HAPPENed!
John is in the spirit here and has been taken in the spirit to a distant future where the vision is of Jesus Christ in Heaven. The Seven lampstands that represent the seven Churches well, He is walking in the midst of them.
Later on as John is taken to the Throne room, the 24 elders (representing the Body of CHrist) are already there.
THe Rapture has Already HAPPENed!
Everyone receiving the Holy Spirit is Healed.
Verse 11 refers to those who remain in the mire: in the flesh, those who reject the Holy Spirit will not be healed. These become full of violence with no room for Love.
The dead sea represents nations, while interpretation is consistent, we don't know the details: waters represents nations Revelations 7:15 gives the interpretation for waters. Not referring to the river of life obviously but those dead in the water: dead to the Love of God.
Concerning progression from ankles, knees waist, to waters to swim in that cant be crossed.
Comments are my interpretation admitting seeing dimly and there must be more to this.
Those that are in waters to swim in that cant be crossed, were to far from the Lord when this last day outpouring of the spirit happened and will not make it in the first resurrection.
Those who the water is up their waist need their loins cleansed of sexual desires that are not of God.
Those up the knees need to be cleansed of divided spirit, divided between the Love of God and a life for themselves.
Those up to ankles are walking close the Lord: are close to entering His house and only need their feet cleansed to walk as Jesus walked.
In 1John Speaks of 3 groups Little children, fathers, and young men refers to those who have overcome the evil.
Verse 11 refers to those who remain in the mire: in the flesh, those who reject the Holy Spirit will not be healed. These become full of violence with no room for Love.
The dead sea represents nations, while interpretation is consistent, we don't know the details: waters represents nations Revelations 7:15 gives the interpretation for waters. Not referring to the river of life obviously but those dead in the water: dead to the Love of God.
Concerning progression from ankles, knees waist, to waters to swim in that cant be crossed.
Comments are my interpretation admitting seeing dimly and there must be more to this.
Those that are in waters to swim in that cant be crossed, were to far from the Lord when this last day outpouring of the spirit happened and will not make it in the first resurrection.
Those who the water is up their waist need their loins cleansed of sexual desires that are not of God.
Those up the knees need to be cleansed of divided spirit, divided between the Love of God and a life for themselves.
Those up to ankles are walking close the Lord: are close to entering His house and only need their feet cleansed to walk as Jesus walked.
In 1John Speaks of 3 groups Little children, fathers, and young men refers to those who have overcome the evil.
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But john is not taken into Heaven until Rev. 4.
It does not state that this event of Rev.1:13 is in Heaven. The candlesticks are identified as the seven churches in Asia. Present tense. To change the meaning to "the church" changing Scripture and not taking the Scripture literally as you state you do.
Also to state that the 24 elders resent the body of Christ is just opinion. The Scripture does not identify who they are.
Brother, you seem to see thing I do not see. I take it literally. I read the words and believe what it says.
It does not state that this event of Rev.1:13 is in Heaven. The candlesticks are identified as the seven churches in Asia. Present tense. To change the meaning to "the church" changing Scripture and not taking the Scripture literally as you state you do.
Also to state that the 24 elders resent the body of Christ is just opinion. The Scripture does not identify who they are.
Brother, you seem to see thing I do not see. I take it literally. I read the words and believe what it says.