How many gospels are there?

[FlyingDove]

Jesus:
1. Preached the gospel of the kingdom
2. Defined the “kingdom of heaven” as Israel’s prophetic earthly kingdom
3. Presented Himself as Messiah and King of the Jews (Israel)
4. Preached repentance, baptism, faith & works as necessary for salvation.
5. Operated strictly under the Mosaic Law
6. Jesus was ONLY sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Jews Only)
(NOTE: On 2 occasions Jesus made exceptions: Roman Ceturion (Matt 8:1-13 & Canaanite woman (Matt 15:21-28)

Matt 4:23 Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and ""preaching the gospel of the kingdom"", and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
(NOTE: Jesus traveled to synagogues & ""preached the gospel of the kingdom"")

This ALL JEWISH gospel of the kingdom message required: repentance, faith & works. Why works? Because, while Messiah is alive. The old Mosaic law covenant is still in effect.

Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
(NOTE: Scripture delcares 2 gospels here: gospel of the uncircumcision & gospel of the circumcision)

Paul:
1. Preached the gospel of the grace of God
2. Defined the “kingdom of heaven” as the heavenly position of the body of Christ
3. Presented Jesus as the risen Lord, Head of the body of Christ
4. Preached faith alone as necessary for salvation
5. Had Gentiles as his primary audience
6. Operated under grace thur faith

Gal 1:
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man
(NOTE: Paul say's "the gospel", NOT GOSPELS, which he preached)

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
(NOTE: Paul proclaims via Holy scripture. The he received his gospel, by direct revelation from the RISEN Christ)

Act 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.
(NOTE: Paul received the gospel of the grace of God. NOT THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM. From the Lord Jesus)

Gal 2:2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain
(NOTE: Paul goes to the Apostles that were sent to the circumcision/Jews. And shares the gospel that the RISEN Christ sent him to preach to the gentiles/uncircumcision)

2 Tim 2.8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
(NOTE: Paul refers to the gospel as "my gospel")

Rom 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
(NOTE: Paul refers to the gospel he preached as "my gospel")

Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
NOTE: On judgment day: Jesus Chtist will judge mens secrets. According to the gospel he gave Paul)

I see TWO gospels! And you say?

 

[Nehemiah6]

I see TWO gospels! And you say?

Looks like to have been taken in by some false teaching regarding the Gospel. There is only ONE Gospel, and the only reason it is called "the Gospel of the Kingdom" is because the King Himself was on earth preaching it. But He was rejected by those who should have welcomed and honored Him as King. Thus the Kingdom of God became internal for those who believed and were born again. But the Kingdom of God will become external also in the Millennium (and beyond).

 

[PennEd]

There is ONLY ONE Gospel unto Salvation.

God wrapped Himself in human flesh in the form of Jesus Christ, by being born to a virgin, conceived by the Holy Spirit. Suffered. Was crucified. Died to pay the wages for OUR sin. Was raised to life on the 3rd day, according to the Scritures.

Confess with your mouth Jesus IS Lord. Believe in your heart He was raised to life on the 3rd day, and you WILL be saved.

There is NOTHING left to discuss about the Gospel unto Salvation.

You want to talk about what other Gospel there is for good works God prepared for us to do as born again Children of His? Fantastic! But don't confuse that with THE Gospel unto Salvation.

 

[FlyingDove]

No one today preaches that salvation comes by believing Jesus was the promised Messiah. Why not? Because that was the pre-cross gospel of the kingdom. Not the post sin atoning, redemptive payment, gospel of the grace of God.

Our gospel, today, is believe Christ died for our sins, was buried & rose from the dead. That is what we must believe for salvation

 

[Shamah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd (4166 – poimén)."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 5:39, “You search the Scriptures, because you think you possess everlasting life in them. And these are the ones that bear witness of Me.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:26, “But the Comforter; the Holy Spirit which YHWH will send in My Name will teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatever I (Yahshua/Jesus) have said to you.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 6:63, “It is the Spirit that gives life; the flesh is useless. The words (Instructions) that I (Yahshua/Jesus) speak to you, they are Spirit, and they are life everlasting.” [/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 14:23-24, “[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”[/FONT]

 

[Marcelo]

I would say there is only one gospel (Good News), but it is divided into two parts: the message revealed before the cross and the message revealed after the cross.

 

[Shamah]

John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

*Mosheh wrote:

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey


John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."


2 John/Yahanan 1:9, "Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of the Messiah, does not have Yah. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son."


John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”


John/Yahanan 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."

 

[Nehemiah6]

No one today preaches that salvation comes by believing Jesus was the promised Messiah.

Well if they don't they are failing to preach THE FULL GOSPEL.

Why not? Because that was the pre-cross gospel of the kingdom.

There are no such things as a "pre-Cross" and "post-Cross" Gospel. Christ told the Jews to believe on Him as their Savior.

Not the post sin atoning, redemptive payment, gospel of the grace of God.

As if the Gospel of Grace was not being preached by Christ and His apostles while He was on earth. Read John chapter 3 -- the words of Christ -- BEFORE His crucifixion.

 

[Shamah]

I would say there is only one gospel (Good News), but it is divided into two parts: the message revealed before the cross and the message revealed after the cross.

Except that goes against what He said:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 13:7-8, “Remember those leading you, who spoke the Word of YHWH to you. Consider the outcome of their behavior and imitate their belief. [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah is the same yesterday, and today, and forever.”[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."[/FONT]

 

[FlyingDove]

Except that goes against what He said:

Hebrews 13:7-8, “Remember those leading you, who spoke the Word of YHWH to you. Consider the outcome of their behavior and imitate their belief. יהושעMessiah is the same yesterday, and today, and forever.”



Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”


Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."

Messiah's, earthly/walk, fleshly/ministry. Was to and only to the Jews-the circumcision. AND DID NOT INCLUDE GENTILES.

Matt 10:5 Messiah sent forth the 12 & commanded them. To not go the Gentiles or into any city of the Samaritans
(NOTE: Don't go to GENTILES! Samaritans were Jews that had intermarried & were considered to be 1/2 breeds)

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
(NORE: Messiah is sent, & sends his disciples to, the lost sheep of the ""House of Israel"")

Matt 15:24 Messiah answered & said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
(NOTE: Messiah say's; He has been sent, ONLY, to the lost sheep of the ""House of Israel"")

25 Then came she (Greek/gentile,) & worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

26 Messiah answered, It is not meet to take the children's bread & to cast it to dogs.
(NOTE: Jews often referred to Gentiles as dogs. (Matt 7:6 & Lk 16:21) Gentiles were considered so ungodly, being in their presence could make a person ceremonially unclean (Jn 18:28)

Rom 15:8 I say that Messiah was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
(NOTE: Messiah came to preach to the circumcision (Jews) & to fulfil promises made to the circumcision's fathers, NOT GENTILES)

Non-Jews/GENTILES were considered so ungodly, even being in their presence could make a person ceremonially unclean (Jn 18:28).

Acts 10:28 Peter said unto them, Ye know how that it is an """unlawful""" thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean
(PETER TELLS CORNELIUS A GENTILE ROMAN CENTURION. """IT'S UNLAWFUL""" FOR A JEW TO KEEP COMPANY WITH GENTILES)

Jewish leadership rejects Messiah their King & has him killed. Upon His Resurrection the RISEN Christ opens the door of salvation to the Gentiles.

Paul is now CHOSEN & SENT to the GENTILES by the RESURRECTED, GLORIFIED, LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF!

 

[Shamah]

Messiah's, earthly/walk, fleshly/ministry. Was to and only to the Jews-the circumcision. AND DID NOT INCLUDE GENTILES.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 28:19-20, “Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-apart Spirit, and make disciples of all the nations, immersing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Set-apart Spirit. Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”[/FONT]


“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]nations” is word #G1484 - ethnos: a race, a nation, pl. the nations (as distinct from Isr.), Original Word: ἔθνος, ους, τό, Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter, Transliteration: ethnos, Phonetic Spelling: (eth'-nos), Short Definition: a race, people, the Gentiles, Definition: a race, people, nation; the nations, heathen world, Gentiles.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”[/FONT]

 

[Shamah]

Acts 10:28 Peter said unto them, Ye know how that it is an """unlawful""" thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean
(PETER TELLS CORNELIUS A GENTILE ROMAN CENTURION. """IT'S UNLAWFUL""" FOR A JEW TO KEEP COMPANY WITH GENTILES)

can you find this Law iin the OT? That says Peter was not to ea with gentiles? this was the law of the land, YHWH never said this:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Numbers 15:15-16, “One law is for you of the assembly and for the stranger who sojourns with you – a law forever throughout your generations. As you are, so is the stranger before [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. One Torah and one right-ruling is for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”[/FONT][/FONT]

 

[Shamah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Not for Gentiles?

Scripture says different:

Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to [/FONT]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]speak, saying, ‘[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Alsothe sons of the gentile who join themselves to [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”[/FONT][/FONT]

 

[FlyingDove]

can you find this Law iin the OT? That says Peter was not to ea with gentiles? this was the law of the land, YHWH never said this:

Numbers 15:15-16, “One law is for you of the assembly and for the stranger who sojourns with you – a law forever throughout your generations. As you are, so is the stranger before יהוה. One Torah and one right-ruling is for you and for the stranger who sojourns with you.”


Exodus 12:47-49, “All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the Passover to יהוה, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof. One law shall be to him that is nativeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourns among you.”

The OT Sojuorners you've injected into this conversation. Were gentiles that wished to live inside Israel. The 7 gentile Churches Paul established were in Asia Minor (Turkey today).

In 51 AD at the Council At Jerusalem. Paul’s gospel of grace message (Acts 20:24) supplanted. The gospel of the kingdom message formally preached by the Jesus & the 12.

The leadership at the Church in Jerusalem. Send to all the Churches.

Acts 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles & elders, & brethren send greeting to the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
(QUESTION: DID MESSIAH EVER TELL ANYONE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES?)

JAMES, PETER, JOHN, PAUL & BARANAS SHAKE ON THE DEAL HERE:
Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision

 

[Nehemiah6]

Paul is now CHOSEN & SENT to the GENTILES by the RESURRECTED, GLORIFIED, LORD JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF!

None of this (your total post) means that there are two Gospels. That is false doctrine and sowing spiritual confusion, so stop trying to twist the Scriptures.

That the same Gospel was preached to BOTH Jews and Gentiles is clear from Scripture.

And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house, Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks [Gentiles], repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. (Acts 20:20,21).

 

[FlyingDove]

Not for Gentiles?

Scripture says different:

Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה, “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Alsothe sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”

Matt 10:5 Messiah sent forth the 12 & commanded them. To not go the Gentiles or into any city of the Samaritans
(NOTE: Don't go to GENTILES! Samaritans were Jews that had intermarried & were considered to be 1/2 breeds)

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
(NORE: Messiah is sent, & sends his disciples to, the lost sheep of the ""House of Israel"")

Matt 15:24 Messiah answered & said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
(NOTE: Messiah say's; He has been sent, ONLY, to the lost sheep of the ""House of Israel"")

25 Then came she (Greek/gentile,) & worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

26 Messiah answered, It is not meet to take the children's bread & to cast it to dogs.
(NOTE: Jews often referred to Gentiles as dogs. (Matt 7:6 & Lk 16:21) Gentiles were considered so ungodly, being in their presence could make a person ceremonially unclean (Jn 18:28)

Rom 15:8 I say that Messiah was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
(NOTE: Messiah came to preach to the circumcision (Jews) & to fulfil promises made to the circumcision's fathers, NOT GENTILES)

Non-Jews/GENTILES were considered so ungodly, even being in their presence could make a person ceremonially unclean (Jn 18:28).

Acts 10:28 Peter said unto them, Ye know how that it is an """unlawful""" thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean
(PETER TELLS CORNELIUS A GENTILE ROMAN CENTURION. """IT'S UNLAWFUL""" FOR A JEW TO KEEP COMPANY WITH GENTILES)

 

[Shamah]

The OT Sojuorners you've injected into this conversation. Were gentiles that wished to live inside Israel. The 7 gentile Churches Paul established were in Asia Minor (Turkey today).

In 51 AD at the Council At Jerusalem. Paul’s gospel of grace message (Acts 20:24) supplanted. The gospel of the kingdom message formally preached by the Jesus & the 12.

The leadership at the Church in Jerusalem. Send to all the Churches.

Acts 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles & elders, & brethren send greeting to the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
(QUESTION: DID MESSIAH EVER TELL ANYONE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES?)

JAMES, PETER, JOHN, PAUL & BARANAS SHAKE ON THE DEAL HERE:
Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision

what about being grafted in?...

A misunderstood passage, in which different texts have different readings, verses can not be added to the text any number of years after it was written and be true and authentic. In the Acts 15 age and culture one had to meet a set of requirements to even walk into a place of worship, this “council” was set to determine who should be let in or what they expected of their new converts. This was not an exhaustive guide or be all end all instructions, acquiring more knowledge of the Word was addressed also. The words of the Messiah are our guide, and He made very clear what was and what was not valid. Again this was a basic set of requirements to enter a place of worship, as once they entered they would learn the ways of YHWH because as verses 21 states; “Mosheh has, in every city, those proclaiming him – being read in the congregations every Sabbath.”


Acts 15:19-21,29 “19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles (new converts) who are turning to YHWH, 20, but that we write to them to abstain from the defilements of idols, and from whoring, and from what is strangled, and from blood. 21, For from ancient generations Mosheh has, in every city, those proclaiming him – being read in the congregations every Sabbath. 29, that you abstain from what is offered to idols, and blood, and what is strangled, and whoring. If you keep yourselves from these, you shall do well. Be strong!”

Are therse THE ONLY Instructions ofr Gentiles or are they guidelines for neew converts?

If they are the only Instructions stealing is completely OK for gentiles...

 

[Shamah]

Rom 15:8 I say that Messiah was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
(NOTE: Messiah came to preach to the circumcision (Jews) & to fulfil promises made to the circumcision's fathers, NOT GENTILES)

Non-Jews/GENTILES were considered so ungodly, even being in their presence could make a person ceremonially unclean (Jn 18:28).

Matthew 28:19-20, “Therefore, as you go, disciple all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you each and every day until the end of the age.”


“nations” is word #G1484 ἔθνος ethnos (eth'-nos) n., 1. a race (as of the same habit), i.e. a tribe., 2. (specially) a foreign (non-Jewish) one, Gentiles., 3. (usually, by implication) pagan., [probably from G1486], KJV: Gentile, heathen, nation, people, Root(s): G1486


Yet Paul says Peter was sent to the Jews:


Galatians 2:7-8, “In fact, they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel for the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel for the circumcised. For the one who worked through Peter by making him an apostle to the circumcised also worked through me by sending me to the Gentiles.”


However Peter says he was sent to the Gentiles:


Acts 15:6-7, “So the apostles and the elders met to consider this statement. After a lengthy debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God chose me to be the one among you through whom the Gentiles would hear the message of the gospel and believe."


1Timothy 2:7, "For this reason I was appointed to be an announcer, an apostle, and a faithful and true teacher of the gentiles. (I am telling you the truth. I am not lying.)"


[/QUOTE]Acts 10:28 Peter said unto them, Ye know how that it is an """unlawful""" thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean
(PETER TELLS CORNELIUS A GENTILE ROMAN CENTURION. """IT'S UNLAWFUL""" FOR A JEW TO KEEP COMPANY WITH GENTILES)[/QUOTE]

Acts 10:28, "And he said to them; You yourselves are aware how it is not lawful for a Yahdai to associate with one of another nation, or to enter his house; but YHWH has shown me that I must not call any man common or unclean."

where is this law in the OT? It is not, that is why the Spirit corrected him.


every miracle Yahshua did He broke the lkaw of the Pharisees while keepiong His Fathers Law, until you understand to seperate the 2, you will never understand the word.

New International Version - Mat 23:2-3, "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach."


King James Bible - Mat 23:2-3, "Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."


Shem Tob's Hebrew Mattithyah - Mat 23:2-3, "The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to their takanot (reforms) and their ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do."


Takanot: rabbinical reforms or enactments that falsely change or add to YHWH's Law.


Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.


Both Takanot and Ma'asim are laws of the Talmud. The Savior said this to the Pharisees;

 

[FlyingDove]

what about being grafted in?...

A misunderstood passage, in which different texts have different readings, verses can not be added to the text any number of years after it was written and be true and authentic. In the Acts 15 age and culture one had to meet a set of requirements to even walk into a place of worship, this “council” was set to determine who should be let in or what they expected of their new converts. This was not an exhaustive guide or be all end all instructions, acquiring more knowledge of the Word was addressed also. The words of the Messiah are our guide, and He made very clear what was and what was not valid. Again this was a basic set of requirements to enter a place of worship, as once they entered they would learn the ways of YHWH because as verses 21 states; “Mosheh has, in every city, those proclaiming him – being read in the congregations every Sabbath.”


Acts 15:19-21,29 “19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles (new converts) who are turning to YHWH, 20, but that we write to them to abstain from the defilements of idols, and from whoring, and from what is strangled, and from blood. 21, For from ancient generations Mosheh has, in every city, those proclaiming him – being read in the congregations every Sabbath. 29, that you abstain from what is offered to idols, and blood, and what is strangled, and whoring. If you keep yourselves from these, you shall do well. Be strong!”

Are therse THE ONLY Instructions ofr Gentiles or are they guidelines for neew converts?

If they are the only Instructions stealing is completely OK for gentiles...

Acts 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles & elders, & brethren send greeting to the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
(QUESTION: DID MESSIAH EVER TELL ANYONE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES?)

Please answer the question asked on vs 24.

You posted: "QUOTE: Are therse THE ONLY Instructions ofr Gentiles or are they guidelines for neew converts? END QUOTE)

Ok, another guideline for a gentile that wanted to convert: Was bring a sacrifice to the temple Priest. Please provide the NT scripture that demands/commands this practice for conversion. Thx in advance.

 

[Shamah]

Acts 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles & elders, & brethren send greeting to the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
(QUESTION: DID MESSIAH EVER TELL ANYONE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES?)

Please answer the question asked on vs 24.

You posted: "QUOTE: Are therse THE ONLY Instructions ofr Gentiles or are they guidelines for neew converts? END QUOTE)

Ok, another guideline for a gentile that wanted to convert: Was bring a sacrifice to the temple Priest. Please provide the NT scripture that demands/commands this practice for conversion. Thx in advance.

Dear brother you are using words that were not in the original text, I agrree there is no levite priesthood nor sacrifice to be made, as Yahshua is the High Priest but that does not chage do not steal, do not murder, etc.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Verses 15:19,20,24, 29The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson, Pages 457-458[/FONT]






[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 21:24, "Take them, and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads. Then everyone will know that those things they were informed about you (forsaking the Law), were lies, and that you, yourself, walk orderly, and keep the Law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]You will see Acts 15:24 has been translated differently in different translations because different source texts were used. There is a whole phrase added, that was not in the original. The following words in RED were not in the original Manuscripts, “saying, you must be circumcised, and keep the law.” Here are the parallel verses.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 15:24 Parallel Verses[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]New International Version, We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]New Living Translation, We understand that some men from here have troubled you and upset you with their teaching, but we did not send them![/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]English Standard Version, Since we have heard that some persons have gone out from us and troubled you with words, unsettling your minds, although we gave them no instructions,[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]New American Standard Bible, Since we have heard that some of our number to whom we gave no instruction have disturbed you with their words, unsettling your souls,[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]King James Bible, Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Holman Christian Standard Bible, Because we have heard that some without our authorization went out from us and troubled you with their words and unsettled your hearts,[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]International Standard Version, We have heard that some men, coming from us without instructions from us, have said things to trouble you and have unsettled you.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]NET Bible, Since we have heard that some have gone out from among us with no orders from us and have confused you, upsetting your minds by what they said,[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Aramaic Bible in Plain English, We hear that men among us went out and have alarmed you with words and have subverted your souls, as they were saying, 'Be circumcised and keep The Law', which we have not commanded them.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]GOD'S WORD® Translation, We have heard that some individuals who came from us have confused you with statements that disturb you. We did not authorize these men [to speak].[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jubilee Bible 2000, forasmuch as we have heard that certain ones who went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised and keep the law, to whom we gave no such commandment,[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]King James 2000 Bible, Since we have heard that certain who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, You must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]American King James Version, For as much as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, You must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]American Standard Version, Forasmuch as we have heard that certain who went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls; to whom we gave no commandment;[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Douay-Rheims Bible, Forasmuch as we have heard, that some going out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls; to whom we gave no commandment:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Darby Bible Translation, Inasmuch as we have heard that some who went out from amongst us have troubled you by words, upsetting your souls, [saying that ye must be circumcised and keep the law]; to whom we gave no commandment;[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]English Revised Version, Forasmuch as we have heard that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls; to whom we gave no commandment;[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Webster's Bible Translation, Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain who went out from us, have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law; to whom we gave no such commandment:[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Weymouth New Testament, As we have been informed that certain persons who have gone out from among us have disturbed you by their teaching and have unsettled your minds, without having received any such instructions from us;[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]World English Bible, Because we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, 'You must be circumcised and keep the law,' to whom we gave no commandment;[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Young's Literal Translation, seeing we have heard that certain having gone forth from us did trouble you with words, subverting your souls, saying to be circumcised and to keep the law, to whom we did give no charge,[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]So a group went out speaking a message that the 12 disciples didn not send them to speak, in the original it is not stated what the message is, yet in later manuscripts someone added in what they chose the message was, right or wrong nothing can be added to the text and it still be authentic.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Finally, an interesting thing in the same book but 6 and 9 chapters later; Paul was accused of not keeping the Law (Acts 21:24) however Scripture shows us different and proclaimed that he followed the Law the way Scripture said (Acts 24:14) (as opposed to they way Jewish culture did; via the Talmud):[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 21:24, “Take them and be cleansed with them, and pay their expenses so that they shave their heads. And all shall know that what they have been informed about you is not so, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Now another common argument is that; “there was one way for the Jews (Lawkeeping) and another way for Gentiles (Faith)” However this is not true, we will see why;[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 10:16, "And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice. So there will be one flock, one Shepherd."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Galatians 3:28-29, "Is there not the Yahdai as well as the Greek; Gentile? Is there not the slave as well as the freeman? Is there not the male and the female? For all of you must be in unity in Yahshua Messiah. And if you are in Messiah, then you are a seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."[/FONT]