Spiritual warfare and the spiritual realm
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. The verses in acts speak from a historical fact of the coming of the Holy Spirit. The events in acts 8, 10 and 19 where recordet for to show to the jews, that gentiles, Samaritians and the disciples of John can get the same salvation and the same Holy Spirit like they received in acts 2. Otherwise the jews never would accept that God has also salvation through Jesus Christ for them. So God must gave Peter an extra expierience(acts 10) for that he could understand Gods Plan.
. The verses in acts speak from a historical fact of the coming of the Holy Spirit. The events in acts 8, 10 and 19 where recordet for to show to the jews, that gentiles, Samaritians and the disciples of John can get the same salvation and the same Holy Spirit like they received in acts 2. Otherwise the jews never would accept that God has also salvation through Jesus Christ for them. So God must gave Peter an extra expierience(acts 10) for that he could understand Gods Plan.
You all deniers have relegated power of the believer to the pages of the book.
The written Word has Spirit and life, true. But, the way Jesus walked is what He wants for His body. He wants to move through us. It's just that simple.
Now I am not suggesting that I should disrupt a church service speaking in tongues and I never have done.But I have SEEN the power of God move through people and he confirms The Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 14
39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.40 But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.
This is what I feel is happening here, some people calling themselves Christians trying to forbid their brothers from using what the Holy Spirit gives.
1 Corinthians 14
39 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.40 But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.
This is what I feel is happening here, some people calling themselves Christians trying to forbid their brothers from using what the Holy Spirit gives.
I don't think anyone is trying to "deny you the presence of God"..... the Spirit lives in me, as well... just like all believers. But not all believers speak in tongues.
the lack of belief in tongue-speaking in today's world is not a rejection of God, or the Spirit. I truly believe that if the Spirit deems it necessary for a believer to be able to speak in tongues, then it will happen. I tend to believe that the tongue being spoken will be a known language, and it will be done for the purpose of showing God's power to an unbeliever.
Most of what I've seen portrayed as "tongues" is simply made-up babbling.
Anything that has to be "taught" in order to "receive" is NOT a gift of the Spirit. There is nothing miraculous in that. Spiritual "pig-latin", if you will.
the lack of belief in tongue-speaking in today's world is not a rejection of God, or the Spirit. I truly believe that if the Spirit deems it necessary for a believer to be able to speak in tongues, then it will happen. I tend to believe that the tongue being spoken will be a known language, and it will be done for the purpose of showing God's power to an unbeliever.
Most of what I've seen portrayed as "tongues" is simply made-up babbling.
Anything that has to be "taught" in order to "receive" is NOT a gift of the Spirit. There is nothing miraculous in that. Spiritual "pig-latin", if you will.
I don't think the Lord is into making anyone do something they don't want to do.
I know now that it's been said that some will try to make it happen by repeating senseless words. But, I've never witnessed this.
One time I walked into a meeting of a UPC church, and a woman screamed, spun in circles and I promptly walked out.
But, powerful services? Plenty. Hands laid on and tongues flow. I've been blessed.
Not, saying all UPC churches have screamers by the way. I never went to any afterwards, so that one experience I'd never paint the whole with.
I know now that it's been said that some will try to make it happen by repeating senseless words. But, I've never witnessed this.
One time I walked into a meeting of a UPC church, and a woman screamed, spun in circles and I promptly walked out.
But, powerful services? Plenty. Hands laid on and tongues flow. I've been blessed.
Not, saying all UPC churches have screamers by the way. I never went to any afterwards, so that one experience I'd never paint the whole with.
We are said to be in the image of God; but if one were to look in the mirror and claim to see God he/she would at best be very confused.
The question then arises : in what way(s) do we resemble God.
We resemble God in that we share the three elements of person-hood: intellect, will, and emotions
Like God: we think, we decide, and we feel.
The Hebrew words rouach and nephesh both have a surface meaning of wind or breath.
The rouach is the directed breath-- the life force.
The nephesh is the undirected breath --- the will.
That is how it is understood from the perspective of the Hebrew language.
The question then arises : in what way(s) do we resemble God.
We resemble God in that we share the three elements of person-hood: intellect, will, and emotions
Like God: we think, we decide, and we feel.
The Hebrew words rouach and nephesh both have a surface meaning of wind or breath.
The rouach is the directed breath-- the life force.
The nephesh is the undirected breath --- the will.
That is how it is understood from the perspective of the Hebrew language.
Is this what we're left with ? Believe and agree with those who say that today's tongues are authentic ... or being one who labels them as liars or deviant ? I've come to like you Lucy so I truly don't want to offend. But I can't lie to myself either. The tongues of the apostolic era were heard by the unbelievers present in their own native languages. They were a sign to the unbeliever. I can't walk a tightrope on this issue. It would make me untrue to myself. That said, my feelings for you remain unchanged.
The evidence of the Holly Spirit speaking through someone is everyone that hears it, hears it in his own language, thats Biblical, in 1 Cor. the word tongue means language, Paul said nobody speaks more tongues [languages] then me, Paul spoke 7 languages, if it is not understood by everyone its babble. God bless
I can just picture satan having a real good belly laugh over this tongues subject.
It's really not that hard to put together.
1. Tongues is the least of the gifts (I believe this is because while all the rest of the gifts are intended to edify others, tongues is intended to edify ourselves).
2. Paul wishes that we all would speak in tongues (but he goes on to say elsewhere that we won't all do it, which puts to rest the idea that anyone who does not speak them isn't Spirit filled).
3. There are different kinds of tongues, and they serve different purposes (one for prophecy to an assembly, another to speak to God in private, one to expose unknown mysteries, and yet another to speak to others who do not understand our language).
4. Time and place are EXTREMELY important considerations in the correct the use of our tongue(s) (using the wrong one at the wrong time leads to dissension and chaos)
5. Paul would rather us NOT speak in tongues than to do so incorrectly (because it gives people like Roger ammo for their heresies)
6. Saying that a legitimate, bonafide tongue used at the right place and time is the work of a demon is blaspheme of the Holy Spirit and will NOT be forgiven.
And now, for the rebuttal from the sadly uninformed....
It's really not that hard to put together.
1. Tongues is the least of the gifts (I believe this is because while all the rest of the gifts are intended to edify others, tongues is intended to edify ourselves).
2. Paul wishes that we all would speak in tongues (but he goes on to say elsewhere that we won't all do it, which puts to rest the idea that anyone who does not speak them isn't Spirit filled).
3. There are different kinds of tongues, and they serve different purposes (one for prophecy to an assembly, another to speak to God in private, one to expose unknown mysteries, and yet another to speak to others who do not understand our language).
4. Time and place are EXTREMELY important considerations in the correct the use of our tongue(s) (using the wrong one at the wrong time leads to dissension and chaos)
5. Paul would rather us NOT speak in tongues than to do so incorrectly (because it gives people like Roger ammo for their heresies)
6. Saying that a legitimate, bonafide tongue used at the right place and time is the work of a demon is blaspheme of the Holy Spirit and will NOT be forgiven.
And now, for the rebuttal from the sadly uninformed....
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First of all no one can be dogmatic about this, since there is very little revealed to us about the mechanics and the nature of speaking supernaturally in a foreign language by the power of the Spirit. But what we do know from Acts 2 is that those who heard the apostles and their companions speaking in tongues on the Day of Pentecost heard this:
And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?...Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. (Acts 2:8,11).
Since it was the Holy Spirit who was speaking through these men, "the wonderful works of God" would have been Divine revelations, possibly about the finished work of Christ, or both the creative works of God and the redemptive works of God for Israel. Just as in prophecy, prophecies did not originate with the prophets, but were revelations by the Holy Spirit as they were borne along or moved by the Spirit, so it would have been when these Galileans spoke a totally foreign language which was understood by the native speakers who were both Jews and proselytes:
Cretans
Arabians
Parthians
Medes
Elamites
Mesopotamians
Judeans
Cappodocians
Dwellers in Pontus, Asia, Phrygia, Pamphilia
Egyptians
Libyans
Cyrenians
Romans
And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?...Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. (Acts 2:8,11).
Since it was the Holy Spirit who was speaking through these men, "the wonderful works of God" would have been Divine revelations, possibly about the finished work of Christ, or both the creative works of God and the redemptive works of God for Israel. Just as in prophecy, prophecies did not originate with the prophets, but were revelations by the Holy Spirit as they were borne along or moved by the Spirit, so it would have been when these Galileans spoke a totally foreign language which was understood by the native speakers who were both Jews and proselytes:
Cretans
Arabians
Parthians
Medes
Elamites
Mesopotamians
Judeans
Cappodocians
Dwellers in Pontus, Asia, Phrygia, Pamphilia
Egyptians
Libyans
Cyrenians
Romans
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@Nehemiah6
Whatever!
let those who are ignorant be ignorant
But as we enjoy the gift of prophecy at our worship meetings
our confidence in modern day Pentecostals tongues
comes from the highest authority in the spiritual realm.
As you are preaching against God you cannot stop it and
are completely irrelevant.
We are experiencing the latter day outpouring of the Holy Spirit
as described by Joel and Peter and hundreds of thousands of
people throughout the world are complying with Acts 2:38 and
speaking in tongues every year.
God is not listening to unbelievers.
He is getting on with saving people and bringing them into
the body of Christ - the church of God.
Whatever!
let those who are ignorant be ignorant
But as we enjoy the gift of prophecy at our worship meetings
our confidence in modern day Pentecostals tongues
comes from the highest authority in the spiritual realm.
As you are preaching against God you cannot stop it and
are completely irrelevant.
We are experiencing the latter day outpouring of the Holy Spirit
as described by Joel and Peter and hundreds of thousands of
people throughout the world are complying with Acts 2:38 and
speaking in tongues every year.
God is not listening to unbelievers.
He is getting on with saving people and bringing them into
the body of Christ - the church of God.
reposting blog # 48
"Such ignorance is unbecoming of a Christian.
"Such ignorance is unbecoming of a Christian.
Acts 2 the day of Pentecost when the multitudes of thousands
heard 120 people inside an upper room all speaking in tongues
at the same time - "And how hear we every man in our own tongue,
wherein we were born?" Acts 2:8
How did a multitude of thousands hear 120 persons speaking in tongues
all at the same time distinctly in their own languages (17 in all)?
Because this was the first miracle of the gift of interpretation.
tongues, interpretation, followed by prophecy through Peter
1Corinthians 14 in action on the very first day."
heard 120 people inside an upper room all speaking in tongues
at the same time - "And how hear we every man in our own tongue,
wherein we were born?" Acts 2:8
How did a multitude of thousands hear 120 persons speaking in tongues
all at the same time distinctly in their own languages (17 in all)?
Because this was the first miracle of the gift of interpretation.
tongues, interpretation, followed by prophecy through Peter
1Corinthians 14 in action on the very first day."
He is the only person who just gets revelation so much that i know.Interpreting a few tongues at once, speaking a few tongues one after another.. he gave me his blessing and i used to talk to him s lot. He is one of very few people who blessed and helped me and bring me revelation and it literally gave me a change of heart. He was able to bring gifts to my attention i didnt know etc.