Should we be focused on the End of Days?

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Ahwatukee

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The Church most certainly goes through the Great Tribulation as the Scriptures plainly teach.
The scriptures do not plainly teach that the church goes through the great tribulation. The scriptures teach that Israel and the rest of the unbelieving world go through the time of God's wrath. If the church was to go through the time of God's wrath, it would mean that Jesus suffered wrath on our behalf for nothing. The church will be gathered prior to that time of wrath, which begins with the opening of the first seal. God does not punish the righteous with the wicked. And that time of wrath is going to be unprecedented, a time like the world has ever seen.

2Thess 2v1-3: "Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction."
Regarding the above, the error is not recognizing the difference between "the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him" from "the day of the Lord," which follows the Lord's appearing and our being gathered.

The appearing of the Lord and our being gathered to him, is followed by the day of the Lord, the time of God's wrath. In essence Paul is saying that the day of the Lord, the time of God's wrath, will not begin until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed. Paul is not saying that appearing of our Lord and our being gathered to him will not take place until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed.

The appearing of our Lord and our being gathered to him, takes place prior to the day of the Lord, which is what Paul is referring to. It is a matter of paying attention to the details, for he is mentioning two different events in the same scripture. So, the order of events is as follows:

1). The appearing of the Lord and our being gathered to him

2). The rebellion and the revealing of the man of lawlessness

3). The day of the Lord (the time of God's wrath).

In short, the day of the Lord is referring to the time of God's wrath, not the appearing of the Lord and our being gathered to him.

The church will never even see the antichrist.
 
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Bladerunner

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The Church most certainly goes through the Great Tribulation as the Scriptures plainly teach.

2Thess 2v1-3: "Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction."

"That day" of Our Lord's Coming and our gathering together unto Him, occurs AFTER Antichrist sits in the Temple in Jerusalem claiming that he is God, NOT before it. As the Lord Jesus Himself states the same truth, He comes for the Church immediately after the days of the Great Tribulation. Matt 24v15-31.

John states the same truth in Rev 7v9,10,14 states the same truth:

"After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

These are they who have come out of the Great Tribulation and washed their robes in the Blood of the Lamb, to "come out" (Greek preposition, "ek") of something you first gave to be in it, they have come out of it, by either being martyred during it, or come through it victoriously and been raptured immediately after the Great Tribulation at the Lord's Second Coming. Matt 24v29-31.
Another foolish virgin!
 
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Ellsworth1943

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Thank you for your support brother, nice to know I'm not alone in this belief... Lol
We are not alone, but the opposition is very loud.
 
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Ellsworth1943

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#84
Warning----
Get ready to be corrected in your belief.
You are about to receive a lesson on what those verses really mean.

By the way, I agree with you.
Here they come brother.
 

Conditional

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What Christians' sole focus is on one Biblical subject? I have found some Christians sole focus is on criticizing those who don't believe what they do. As far as end times goes, once you understand it, you spend less focus on it than other subjects. We all have jobs to do. Different than yours maybe, does that make everyone who has a different job than you wrong? Some people's jobs were done before the birth of our Lord. Some people's jobs are to take place during the trib, & some before the trib. The Bible says there will be people who think they are going to heaven during this time, but He will say, "I never knew you". God may have appointed people to help save them. Who are we to criticize God's appointed workers? When does HE stop appointing workers, after the millennium ? Deception. The Scriptures state many will be deceived in the end times. If you believe the ends times is a past event, so that's fine for you, but please allow others to speak what they believe is their duty to keep brethren from being deceived in their opinion. More prophecy is written for the end times than any other time period. You don't have to change denominations to understand end times, because many denominations vary amongst their members in several beliefs. It doesn't mean you are neglecting anything, because you speak about end times.
 
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Ralph-

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What Christians' sole focus is on one Biblical subject?
Because that's where they're at in their growth in the knowledge of God.


As far as end times goes, once you understand it, you spend less focus on it than other subjects.
Which is what I think Paul meant when he said, "where there is knowledge, it will pass away"-1 Corinthians 13:8. We learn things, we get excited about them for a while, we tell other people, then we move on. It's just one part of our growing up into the knowledge of God. What counts is that we're becoming children of God who do not have to fear the coming wrath because we look like Jesus in this world-1 John 4:17-18, not that we can fathom all mysteries. Knowledge is fine, but it's not the end game. Acting like Jesus is what counts. That's how we prepare for the end.


But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.
Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God-2 Peter 3:10-12.


What counts is that you are ready for the end of days and the end of this creation, not that you understand how it all plays out.



The Scriptures state many will be deceived in the end times. If you believe the ends times is a past event, so that's fine for you, but please allow others to speak what they believe is their duty to keep brethren from being deceived in their opinion.
The day of God and the destruction of this creation (see passage above) is a future event. We are to make sure we are not deceived and are prepared for it. Not by knowing all the details and being sure we have the right end times doctrine, but by being found spotless, blameless and at peace with him:


So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this (a new heaven and a new earth), make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.

Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.-2 Peter 3:14,17-18.


Don't be deceived about what really matters.
 
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