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    “And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about. And under the brim of it round about there were knops compassing it, ten in a cubit, compassing the sea round about: the knops were cast in two rows, when it was cast.” (1 Kings 7:23-24) King James Bible


    Verse 23


    molten” 15th occurrence in the KJB and the second (15 + 15) occurrence of 15 in Pi is at position 314.

    sea” 111th (37x3) occurrence in the KJB of this word

    ten” 111th (37x3) occurrence and 106th verses in the KJB containing this word (111/106) The 12th (37 is the 12th prime) occurrence of 3 in Pi is at position 111 and the 1st occurrence of 106 in Pi is at position 1011 (337 x 3).

    ten cubits” occurs 15 times in the KJB and the second occurrence of 15 in Pi is at position 314.

    the other” 111th (37x3) verse in the Bible containing this phrase.

    round” found 320 times in the KJB and position 320 in Pi contains the 22nd occurrence of 7 in Pi. (22/7 = 3.142..) The word “round” is found in 296 (37x8) verses of the Bible and exactly 37 times in the New Testament. It is found in 259 (37x7) verses of the Old Testament in 157 (157 is 37th prime) chapters and 157 x 2 = 314. Furthermore, position 320 in Pi counting from the decimal point is the 3rd occurrence of the number 74 (37 x 2) in Pi.

    thirty cubits” 7th occurrence of this phrase in the Bible.

    cubit*” 111th (37x3) (in phrase “thirty cubits”) occurrence in the KJB.


    verse 24


    round” 111th (37x3) occurrence (1st) in the KJB.

    round about” 106th (1st) occurrence of this phrase in the Bible. (111/106)

    round about” this phrase is found in 285 verses of the Bible and the 1st occurrence of 360 (degrees in a circle) in Pi is at position 285. The 5th occurrence of 285 in Pi its at position 3141 counting from the decimal point.

    ten” 112th (7x16) occurrence of this word in the Bible.

    knop*” 12th (37 is the 12th prime) verse in the Bible containing the words “knop” or “knops” and 30 x 10 = 300 (the number of knops around the circumference of the “sea”). The 3rd occurrence of 37 in Pi (37x3 = 111) occurs at position 300 counting from the decimal point.

    cubit” 22nd occurrence and the 15th verse containing this word in the Bible. (the “ten in a cubit” is referring to the “thirty cubits of verse 23 thus the number 7 and 22 are connected 22/7 = 3.142…). The 2nd occurrence of the number 15 in Pi is at position 314.

    the sea” 74th (37x2) occurrence of this phrase in the Bible.

    round” 112 (7x16) occurrence (2nd) of this word in the Bible.

    cast” 73rd occurrence (1st) in the Bible.

    two” 411th (137 x 3) occurrence in the Bible and the 337th verse containing this word.

    cast” 74th (37x2) occurrence in the Bible.

    The ratio (111/106) shows up in the “ten” of verse 23 which is referring to the diameter of the “sea” and again in verse 24 in the phrase “round about” which is referring to the “knops” around the circumference of the "sea."

    3 x 111/106 = 3.1415

    Therefore:

    The circumference (30) times the ratio (111/6) divided by the diameter (10) yields the first 5 digits of Pi which are 3.1415.


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    All counts in Pi were done using the Irrational Numbers Search Engine:
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    Check out the following links for more information on the the numbers presented above.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQM-eMKnY2E&t=37s
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7uU3nJ5aAU
    https://www.thelivingword.org.au
    AmazingWord - Messages often overlooked in the Bible (KJV, NIV, NASB...): God's Number 37 - theme tells of perfection/sanctification/being saved...
    Gematria
    https://sites.google.com/site/mathematicalmonotheism/the-proof-part-1https://sites.google.com/site/mathematicalmonotheism/the-proof-part-1


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    I knew it......it's my math teacher coming to haunt me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James37 View Post
    ... using the Irrational Numbers Search Engine


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    Numbers are a language all of their own. I know it must mean something, I just don't understand the language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magenta View Post
    I do not believe any number is "irrational" but that is what the heathen scientists choose to call them. They cannot comprehend that there is an infinite God responsible for these numbers.
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    An irrational number is a number that cannot be written as a fraction. Why do you think it's wrong for there to be irrational numbers, James?
    Pi is still a number...it just cannot be written as a fraction.
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    Infinite for us is solved: 3:16....


    John 3

    16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James37 View Post
    I do not believe any number is "irrational" but that is what the heathen scientists choose to call them. They cannot comprehend that there is an infinite God responsible for these numbers.

    “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleMermaid View Post
    An irrational number is a number that cannot be written as a fraction. Why do you think it's wrong for there to be irrational numbers, James?
    Pi is still a number...it just cannot be written as a fraction.
    That is not what I said, I believe the name implies that they are illogical and random when they are not. It merely a lack of understanding on our part because of our finite minds and lack of understanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James37 View Post
    “And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about. And under the brim of it round about there were knops compassing it, ten in a cubit, compassing the sea round about: the knops were cast in two rows, when it was cast.” (1 Kings 7:23-24) King James Bible


    Verse 23


    molten” 15th occurrence in the KJB and the second (15 + 15) occurrence of 15 in Pi is at position 314.

    sea” 111th (37x3) occurrence in the KJB of this word

    ten” 111th (37x3) occurrence and 106th verses in the KJB containing this word (111/106) The 12th (37 is the 12th prime) occurrence of 3 in Pi is at position 111 and the 1st occurrence of 106 in Pi is at position 1011 (337 x 3).

    ten cubits” occurs 15 times in the KJB and the second occurrence of 15 in Pi is at position 314.

    the other” 111th (37x3) verse in the Bible containing this phrase.

    round” found 320 times in the KJB and position 320 in Pi contains the 22nd occurrence of 7 in Pi. (22/7 = 3.142..) The word “round” is found in 296 (37x8) verses of the Bible and exactly 37 times in the New Testament. It is found in 259 (37x7) verses of the Old Testament in 157 (157 is 37th prime) chapters and 157 x 2 = 314. Furthermore, position 320 in Pi counting from the decimal point is the 3rd occurrence of the number 74 (37 x 2) in Pi.

    thirty cubits” 7th occurrence of this phrase in the Bible.

    cubit*” 111th (37x3) (in phrase “thirty cubits”) occurrence in the KJB.


    verse 24


    round” 111th (37x3) occurrence (1st) in the KJB.

    round about” 106th (1st) occurrence of this phrase in the Bible. (111/106)

    round about” this phrase is found in 285 verses of the Bible and the 1st occurrence of 360 (degrees in a circle) in Pi is at position 285. The 5th occurrence of 285 in Pi its at position 3141 counting from the decimal point.

    ten” 112th (7x16) occurrence of this word in the Bible.

    knop*” 12th (37 is the 12th prime) verse in the Bible containing the words “knop” or “knops” and 30 x 10 = 300 (the number of knops around the circumference of the “sea”). The 3rd occurrence of 37 in Pi (37x3 = 111) occurs at position 300 counting from the decimal point.

    cubit” 22nd occurrence and the 15th verse containing this word in the Bible. (the “ten in a cubit” is referring to the “thirty cubits of verse 23 thus the number 7 and 22 are connected 22/7 = 3.142…). The 2nd occurrence of the number 15 in Pi is at position 314.

    the sea” 74th (37x2) occurrence of this phrase in the Bible.

    round” 112 (7x16) occurrence (2nd) of this word in the Bible.

    cast” 73rd occurrence (1st) in the Bible.

    two” 411th (137 x 3) occurrence in the Bible and the 337th verse containing this word.

    cast” 74th (37x2) occurrence in the Bible.

    The ratio (111/106) shows up in the “ten” of verse 23 which is referring to the diameter of the “sea” and again in verse 24 in the phrase “round about” which is referring to the “knops” around the circumference of the "sea."

    3 x 111/106 = 3.1415

    Therefore:

    The circumference (30) times the ratio (111/6) divided by the diameter (10) yields the first 5 digits of Pi which are 3.1415.


    All word, phrase and verse counts were done using the ‘The King James Pure Bible Search Software.’ Download for free!!!!
    King James Pure Bible Search


    All counts in Pi were done using the Irrational Numbers Search Engine:
    Irrational Numbers Search Engine


    Check out the following links for more information on the the numbers presented above.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQM-eMKnY2E&t=37s
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7uU3nJ5aAU
    https://www.thelivingword.org.au
    AmazingWord - Messages often overlooked in the Bible (KJV, NIV, NASB...): God's Number 37 - theme tells of perfection/sanctification/being saved...
    Gematria
    https://sites.google.com/site/mathematicalmonotheism/the-proof-part-1https://sites.google.com/site/mathematicalmonotheism/the-proof-part-1

    The sky is not the limit.(*using the Irrational Numbers Search Engine)

    Not infinite possibility. Numbers as words have meaning attached . Words used in parables hide the spiritual understanding they have specific spiritual meaning attached to them. .Meanings that are not changed from one portion of the scripture to another.

    Like the word Pi. A word not used in the scriptures

    Whats the spiritual meaning of the word Pi ? What does it formulate spiritually? Does it formulate . "God's sits enthroned on the circle of the earth and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers Isaiah 40:22

    You have the word ten equaling Pi as something round . The meaning to the word ten is in respect to a unknown or concealed to whatever is in view, Just as the word hundred, or thousand multiples of ten .

    ​“And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about. And under the brim of it round about there were knops compassing it, ten in a cubit, compassing the sea round about: the knops were cast in two rows, when it was cast.” (1 Kings 7:23-24) King James Bible

    If ten equal Pi as something round then thirty cubits round about gives us what spiritual understanding? 3.14

    What is the spiritul meaning of the word thirty? Pi
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    Quote Originally Posted by garee View Post
    The sky is not the limit.(*using the Irrational Numbers Search Engine)

    Not infinite possibility. Numbers as words have meaning attached . Words used in parables hide the spiritual understanding they have specific spiritual meaning attached to them. .Meanings that are not changed from one portion of the scripture to another.

    Like the word Pi. A word not used in the scriptures

    Whats the spiritual meaning of the word Pi ? What does it formulate spiritually? Does it formulate . "God's sits enthroned on the circle of the earth and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers Isaiah 40:22

    You have the word ten equaling Pi as something round . The meaning to the word ten is in respect to a unknown or concealed to whatever is in view, Just as the word hundred, or thousand multiples of ten .

    ​“And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about. And under the brim of it round about there were knops compassing it, ten in a cubit, compassing the sea round about: the knops were cast in two rows, when it was cast.” (1 Kings 7:23-24) King James Bible

    If ten equal Pi as something round then thirty cubits round about gives us what spiritual understanding? 3.14

    What is the spiritul meaning of the word thirty? Pi
    I wouldn't read into what I posted that Pi equals "ten." The ratio of 111/106 is encoded in the word ten in this verse; thus, allowing us to calculated Pi. The same is true with the phrase "round about" in verse 24 which also has the ratio 111/106 encoded in it. Critics have claimed falsely that the Bible implies Pi is equal to 3 and use this idea to try and undermine the inerrancy of scripture. It is my opinion that the number 30 (after it is multiplied by 10 which are the number of knops per cubit) points us to the 300th position of Pi counting from the decimal point which is the 3rd occurrence of the number 37 in Pi showing that Pi is not "irrational" but in perfect order.

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    "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof areas grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:" (Isaiah 40:22)

    "sitteth" in this verse is the 22nd occurrence of this word in the King James Bible

    "sitteth upon" in this verse is the 7th occurrence of this phrase in the King James Bible

    "circle" only occurs once in the king James Bible

    22/7 (3.142..) is a good approximation of PI

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    Chuck Missler says that the word 'circumference' is spelled incorrectly in the original Hebrew with a gematria of 106. The correct spelling has a gematria of 111. For fun if you want, divide 2/7 by 23. The answer is 66 digits that repeat. There are 4 occurrences of zero with no remainder which I think divide the answer into prophecy units. If you try this, 223 points to the math error in Numbers 3 where the Levites cheat the firstborns sons out of 1500 shekels. 0248447 is the 24840 weeks of 7 days until the Messiah is cut off (Dan. 9). year 447 of 490 is the year that Jesus was born if he lived 36 years (Joshua 7:3-5) and died in year 483 of 490. 689 is the years after Enoch was translated when Japheth is 120. Arpaxad is 17. Jesus was resurrected on the 17th day of the Jewish religious year. Amos 4 in the KJV has 2 or 3 cities can't find water that quenches their thirst. (they can't find living water). the phrase 2 or 3 represents Jesus. The NIV does not have the phrase in Amos 4. continuing on with the equation 2/7 divided by 23. There is an 888 in the middle followed by an 8 three digits later. Noah is described by the numbers 5031055 (Shem was born when Noah was 503 or in Noah's 503rd year. Shem was 100 when Arpaxad was born. There were 10 generations after Noah until Abram. During Peleg's life (the 5th generation after Noah), the world was divided. After the last zero with no remainder there is 9006211180. Jared, Enoch's father, died at 962 years. Jared was the 6th generation. There were 6 enemies that oppressed Israel in Judges for 111 years. The days of purification that a Jewish mother that birthed a daughter is 14 plus 66 (Leviticus 12). Before the 888, there is a 9937 which represents Jesus death 99 and the days until his resurrection 3 with his body in the tomb of the Sabbath (the seventh day of the week). I have figured out that all of the numbers represent. See if you can do the same.
    Then 2/7 divided by 95. See Methuselah's years in the middle of the answer and the last digit becomes the first. The age Jesus started his ministry was about 30. Will he restart 2030 years after his birth?
    Math derived from Rev. 2:10 ten days in prison divided by the crown of life = length of great tribulation/ 1000 years of Rev. 20. There are 3 lengths of the great tribulation 1260d, 42m, 3.5 years.
    if 42m then look at the percent of census of the two and a half tribes of Numbers 26 in the second census.
    Then calculate the percent of the first census in Numbers 1 for the nine and a half tribes.
    The separation of the tribes is in Numbers 34.

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    I may take awhile to digest all of this LOL! I am familiar with Chuck Misslers explanation of 1 kings 7:23 which is echoed by several other websites

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    Quote Originally Posted by James37 View Post

    The circumference (30) times the ratio (111/6) divided by the diameter (10) yields the first 5 digits of Pi which are 3.1415.

    circumference = pi*diameter

    circumference / diameter = pi

    what you did is:

    circumference / diameter = X

    X didn't equal pi so you did

    X*(a ratio) = pi

    you found an arbitrary X, and you had pi, so you solved that for the ratio you 'needed'
    you could literally do that for any X

    this is not significant at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by James37 View Post
    I do not believe any number is "irrational" but that is what the heathen scientists choose to call them. They cannot comprehend that there is an infinite God responsible for these numbers.
    heathen scientists lol

    i think you mean 'heathen mathematicians' -- of which i am one.

    it's not "rational" in the sense of logical or mentally sound.
    it's rational in the sense of "can be equivalently expressed as a ratio"

    "irrational" is the negation of "rational" - it means there isn't a fraction (ratio) consisting of integers that equivalently expresses the number.




    prithee, which part of that makes you think i don't comprehend that an infinite God created math?

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    one of the problems with all these threads is that they are useless.
    you're not actually doing 'math' you're just playing around with numbers.

    this is what i mean: when you can take any arbitrary verse, apply a function to it and come up with a result that you can interpret according to a consistent systematic set of rules, you will have found something.

    this is not what you do. what you do is take particular verses, do different things with all the words in it, in no orderly way, without any justified reasons, and then mash whatever numbers you get together in whatever way happens to give you the result you want ((usually 37)).
    you have the answer you want already in mind and work backwards to get it without regard for how you get there.

    this is all meaningless until you have a definite procedure that you can define and justify, and apply it to arbitrary instances of passages within a determined set of them according to some defined measure.

    does that make any sense to you? there's no consistency in your methodology. there's no order. you don't really have a methodology, you have random manipulation of alternately verse numbers, word counts, Hebrew & English pseudo-gematria, etc -- whatever you can pull a number from -- and then arbitrary mashing up of all these numbers.

    from here, it looks like you're just making up your methodology on the fly. that's neither meaningful nor useful, and it's not revelatory.

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    suppose we interpreted the actual words and meaning of scripture this way
    ((you are familiar with how people read the Bible and actually understand the words as though they have meaning, expressing ideas, right?))

    suppose when we read the Bible, we had sweet potato pie in mind. we arbitrarily change the definition of words from verse to verse until we make whatever verse we're reading be about sweet-potato pie.

    And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about. And under the brim of it round about there were knops compassing it, ten in a cubit, compassing the sea round about: the knops were cast in two rows, when it was cast.

    "and he made" - people make food in kitchens
    "molten" - the sweet potato is heated in the oven until it becomes molten
    "sea" - water is used in the recipe
    "ten cubits" - sweet potato is cut into cubes before it is cooked down, and you can stack them in rows of ten
    "one brim to another" - you fill up the whole baking pan from brim to brim
    "it was round all about" - pies are round, we use a round baking pan
    "height was 5 cubits" - a typical sweet potato pie is close to 5cm tall
    "a line 30 cubits did compass it" - 30/10 = 3 approximately 3.1 almost pi which sounds like pie
    "under the brim" - we put a golden flakey crust on top so the tasty yams are "under" it
    "under the brim" - we don't put too much pie mixture in the baking pan because we don't want it to overflow; it must be under the brim of the pan
    "knops" - the pie doesn't cook perfectly flat it is a little lumpy like knobs which is spelled almost the same as knops
    "ten in a cubit" - ten centimeters is a tenth of a meter and there are 10mm in a cm and remember we have a baking pan for our sweet potato pie that is approximately 5cm tall which is 1/2 of 10 and 1 is the first digit of 10
    "compassing the sea" - the molten sweet potato mixture is encompassed by the baking pan
    "the knops where cast" - casting is pouring hot metal into a mold like hot sweet potato mixture in a baking pan
    "in two rows when it was cast" - most ovens have two racks inside, and we bake the sweet potato pie in the center of the oven between the two oven racks


    please critique what i've done.

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    ((considers making a new thread, "sweet potato pie in the KJB"))



    ((figures post is a genius and will finally end the whole KJB-only debate once and for all))



    ((decides the world isn't ready for this yet and resolves to have his epic work published posthumously))

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