unfolding of the Law and prophets fulfillment

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no not at all am i saying that lol , my thing is you are speakings if the priesthood comes a change, and the Law stays in effect. as if the priesthood of the law, was that of Jesus and the tribe of Judah, it wasnt. when the priesthood changed to Jesus the law changes with His words. the entire covenant between God and man changes, one is not according to the other, ots why when Jesus was annointed and John was arrested, he proclaims the prophecy of Isaiah. and it says " the law and prophets were until john ( the baptist) since then, the Kingdom of God is preached.


Melchezidek is the King of righteousness and peace and the High priest of God, this is established before the order of levites and the giving of thier Law. the lae of moses is judiasm, its what they held to when Jesus came, he told them plainly, that thier law and prophets were written about Him. those who hope in the Law, and trust in moses words, then have the witness against them. you cant put something from the levites, into the melchezidek testament is the thing. one came to a conclusion, its conclusion was when Jesus came with the covenant.


ever notice that the law came after all flesh was buried under water, then the water receded and man lived on and then came the law? when John came baptizing, it was because the law was goung by water like it came. baptism actually forgives sins, because it is a baptism into the death of Jesus, and when God recognizes that you died, the law then is done with you. its blessing and curse are done for a dead man. there is no second life in the law in that covenant. you have sinned, you are sentanced to death.........thats the purpose of the Law " that all the world be held guilty before God" this has to be true, before we can accept the need for a savior.


if someone is not lost in thier mind, they could never need salvation. thats the purpose of the Law, the law of moses came because of sin and transgression in man, to show us were sinners ( us now in christ) so that we have a reason to actually believe in and accpet him. the pharisees and scribes had troubles believing Jesus primarily because they thought the Kingdom belonged to them still, i guess they missed tha parables where the Kingdom is taken from those who kill the son of the owner of the vineyard after stoning and killing his other servants ( prophets)


Notice also How moses spoke through the veil to the people ? and they werent allowed to see His face because it caused fear? Paul again explains a point about this


2 corinthians 3 "Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; 6Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. ( john 6:63 " it is the spirit that gives life...the words i speak are spirirt and life)

7But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glorywas to be done away: ( moses glory faded after awhile our of Gods presence) 8How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. 10For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. 11For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
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Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: 13And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: 14But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. ( to go through Jesus and His doctrine, is like seeing Gods Law without a veil, without knowing the end is death but rather eternal Life) 15But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 17Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord."



Jesus doctrine and faith in Him including the cross and resurrection, transforms us into Gods children, patterned and designed after Him. we are transformed by the renewing of our minds" this is necassary because satan changed them to fear and bondage always seeking to rebel against Gods word, yet obeying it because we believe he wants to kill us when we mistep.


thats why the people at horeb were terrorized by Gods presence and word, adams nature had grown, God inspired fear alone, ven though they all witnessed all He did to save them and all the promises He made to them, they saw Gods Love also for them and His power, they had no reason to actually Love God thier motivation was " if we dont obey he will crush us and slaughter our families"


its like this in the Law because its for them, and those now who see Gods word as evil. when you grasp His Word is Good, the gospel is Our covenant. and we have a reason to Love Him now......a true and immutable reason to Love and seek God through Our precious Lord our comander and Leader, King, shepherd and redeemer from slavery to sin. our intercessor, our teacher and prophet, our sacrifice and our Life, Yeshua Jesus the annonted and immutable Word of God, the promise of the inheritance of eternal Life, was made by Him.


Bro to be clear i just love discussing the word with interested people who know things like you, its not up to me to decide whether you should keep the law in your own way, i think we all need to follow our faith and our conscience in the end, i know there is one way to God the Father, and that is soley through Jesus and the Gospel of His Kingdom. the law is a wonderful thing, some of the very best and most enlightening reading in scripture, i study it often but not thinking i am meant to obey its ordiances and precepts and things, i study it to learn about Jesus and the promises contained in the Law and prophets about His coming with salvation. it truly is something a lifetime will never conclude, were ever learning, or at least i am.


the Knowledge we dont Know alot, leads to More Knowledge being taken in and understanding grows as we seek and pray earneslty to understand. or thats my belief.



I Know for certain beyond a doubt that God deeply Loves you and everyone of your people and is always there for us :)
 
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We all need mercy there is no doubt about that, that does not however make obedience or His Instructions/Law void:

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the Commands of יהוה and the Belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

The set apart ones/saints keep the Commands of YHWH and have faith in Yahshua.
naw bro im not saying we dont have to repent of sin and obey God in any way, paul wasnt either. Im saying we dont obey moses doctrine we obey Jesus doctrine. moses = eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, life for a life" Jesus = forgive those who sin against you because I suffered and died for you to forgive you...and to forgive the one who sinned against you" its truly different, its not that we need not obey God at all, its just that we obey the One He sent, not the one that those who feared Gods presence and word appointed .


we obey the things Jesus taught, are we accountable ? absolutely we are, the Kingdom of God clearly teaches to depart from iniquity. the thing is we cant do that with the law because its a constant reminder of our sins against a holy God. we can learn so much from it, it is necessary. but we christians obey the gospel and its precepts are contrary to the mosaic Law. is all im saying. its a sin for me now, to judge another . in the law its a commandment. its a sin now for me to condemn another, in the law im rewuired to praticipate in capitol punishments. in the law, i need to focus on al of these details of how to wash, how to do these tediaous things, eventually its hard to see " Love thy neighbor" in all of that judgement and detail. the gospel is the true Law, according to the covenant Law in the ark. thats the eternal covenantfrom before and eternallly after is the Gospel
 
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[FONT=&quot]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I[/FONT][FONT=&quot] will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them[/FONT][FONT=&quot].”


indeed bro, through Christ, His law is written on our hearts....they were too hard when moses mediated the law thats why its so veiled and God appears so harsh with those people. thier hearts were hardened

ezekeil 36 " [/FONT]
A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them."


Isaiah 42 " Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.2He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.3A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.4He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.:Jesus was the One with Gods judgements and statutes and in isaiahs time, he was yet prophecying that he was ginjg to come and set the judgements of God in the earth.

john 18:37 "
Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.