Martin Luther king Jr.

[jaybird88]

My personal thoughts about Martin Luther King, Jr.....................

MLK was a prophet raised up by God and sent to the the president and leaders of America.

The dream MLK preached was not his own, but God given because he spoke of all people loving one another. Like the prophets of old, he was killed because of the message.

Prophets are mainly sent to leadership to bring correction and instruction.

i agree with you, the message of MLK was love which sounds exactly like what Jesus put so much emphasis on.

i dont have a clue what point the OP is making, maybe he is suggesting political leaders need to leave their bible at the house? funny thing is today 99% of all our political leaders actually do leave their bibles at home and they are the most corrupt bunch of scumbags ever. but at least they dont stand up and praise the Lord in front of millions . . . like Martin Luther King did.

 

[WebersHome]

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He was supposed to only preach and never speak on social issues?

Ordained Christian ministers are first and foremost shepherds whose
responsibility is the care of Christ's sheep-- not the world's sheep. In other
words: it is Christ's wishes that his ministers be congregational leaders
rather than social leaders.

● 2Tim 2:4 . . As Christ's soldier, do not let yourself become tied up in the
affairs of this life, for then you cannot satisfy the one who has enlisted you
in his army.

● 1Pet 5:1-4 . .To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder, a witness
of Christ's sufferings and one who also will share in the glory to be revealed:

. . . Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, serving as
overseers-not because you must, but because you are willing, as God wants
you to be; not greedy for money, but eager to serve; not lording it over
those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock. And when the Chief
Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade
away.

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[WebersHome]

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Poster children and sacred cows like Martin Luther King Jr and Mother Teresa
make good case studies in how not to follow Christ due to their high profile.

King is an example of an ordained minister gone off-reservation, and Teresa
is an example of a missionary gone abroad under her own steam.

Of the two, I'd have to say that Teresa was the more pathetic; as she
complained in private letters to her spiritual counselors:

"I am told God loves me; and yet the reality of darkness & coldness &
emptiness is so great that nothing touches my soul."

"The place of God in my soul is blank-- There is no God in me"

"I feel He does not want me, He is not there, God does not want me"

"I feel that God does not want me, that God is not God; and that He does
not really exist."

"When I try to raise my thoughts to Heaven, there is such convicting
emptiness that those very thoughts return like sharp knives and hurt my
very soul. How painful is this unknown pain-- I have no faith."

Teresa also complained of feeling abandoned by Christ-- referring to him as
"the absent one"

It turns out Teresa was a remarkable actor. Her public image bore no
resemblance whatsoever to the secret life of her inner being.

Q: How can you honestly say that Mother Teresa Mother Teresa went abroad
as a missionary under her own steam? She founded the Missionaries of
Charity with the full permission and blessing of her church.

A: When a missionary complains of a disconnect with God as severe as
Teresa's list of complaints in this post, they are abroad under their own
steam regardless of a church's blessing.

Teresa's perpetual darkness, her spiritual dryness, her feelings of
abandonment, the absence of even the faintest glimmer of The Lord's
presence, her lack of faith, and her pretense, are especially inconsistent with
the apostle Paul-- whom I believe to be a far more reliable role model for
missionaries than Teresa was even on her best day.

Teresa was never really convinced there's a God out there. At one point she
actually prayed thus:

"If there be God; please forgive me."

A prayer that begins with "God; if you're out there" is the prayer of an
agnostic; which Webster's defines as one who is not committed to believing
in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god. According to Jas
1:5-8, agnostic prayers are pings.

To her credit, Teresa wanted a God to be out there, but her utter failure to
feel even the slightest glimmer of the Lord's presence prevented her from
being sure about it.

"The damned of Hell suffer eternal punishment because they experiment
with the loss of God. In my own soul, I feel the terrible pain of this loss. I
feel that God does not want me, that God is not God; and that He does not
really exist."

That kind of spiritual decadence is fatal; not only to missionaries, but to
anyone else in the same condition.

● Heb 11:6 . .Without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone
who comes to Him must believe that He exists.

Webster's defines "impossible" as incapable of being, or of occurring.

Webster's defines "must" as an indispensable item; viz: essential.

Ironically, a demon's level of faith is actually superior to Teresa's. At least
they believe in the existence of God.

● Jas 2:19-20 . . You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the
demons believe

I simply cannot approve a missionary whose iffy belief in the existence of
God doesn't even measure up to the quality of a demon's belief.

FYI: Teresa's quotes were taken from:

Mother Teresa / Come Be My Light
The Private Writings of the "Saint of Calcutta"
Edited with commentary by Brian Kolodiejchuk, M.C.
ISBN 978-0-385-52037-9

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[ComeLordJesus]

King preached a Social Gospel.

Beware of Martin Luther King Jr.'s Social Gospel

 

[ComeLordJesus]

While it is widely believed that Martin Luther King, Jr. was committed to the “Christian religion,” he was far from it. He denied some of the most fundamental components of historic Christianity. He repudiated the doctrine of the deity of Jesus, and he rejected the concept that the Lord was raised bodily from the dead. King disdained the New Testament affirmation of Christ’s Virgin Birth, asserting that the early Christians devised a mythological story to account for the moral uniqueness of Jesus of Nazareth. His theology has been profusely documented in ​

The Christian News Encyclopedia.

 

[Nehemiah6]

While it is widely believed that Martin Luther King, Jr. was committed to the “Christian religion,” he was far from it. He denied some of the most fundamental components of historic Christianity. He repudiated the doctrine of the deity of Jesus, and he rejected the concept that the Lord was raised bodily from the dead. King disdained the New Testament affirmation of Christ’s Virgin Birth, asserting that the early Christians devised a mythological story to account for the moral uniqueness of Jesus of Nazareth. His theology has been profusely documented in ​

The Christian News Encyclopedia.

Correct. King was a theological liberal and a social activist. But he deliberately rejected Bible Christianity, and theological liberals make a choice to either take the Bible as the very Word of God, or impose their own humanistic ideas on Scripture.

 

[WebersHome]

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I can wink at King's womanizing, but am having a bit of trouble getting past
the cheating on his doctorate.

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[jaybird88]

Correct. King was a theological liberal and a social activist. But he deliberately rejected Bible Christianity, and theological liberals make a choice to either take the Bible as the very Word of God, or impose their own humanistic ideas on Scripture.

what did king teach that was against the bible?

 

[HeraldtheNews]

i agree with you, the message of MLK was love which sounds exactly like what Jesus put so much emphasis on.

i dont have a clue what point the OP is making, maybe he is suggesting political leaders need to leave their bible at the house? funny thing is today 99% of all our political leaders actually do leave their bibles at home and they are the most corrupt bunch of scumbags ever. but at least they dont stand up and praise the Lord in front of millions . . . like Martin Luther King did.

Yes he did!

 

[ComeLordJesus]

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I can wink at King's womanizing, but am having a bit of trouble getting past
the cheating on his doctorate.

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You can wink at adultery?

 

[WebersHome]

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You can wink at adultery?

I really don't care all that much about King's private life. Whatever he did
behind closed doors, as far as I'm concerned, stays behind closed doors.

If we're to invalidate spiritual leaders for adultery, we'd have to start with
David; and I'm pretty sure most Christians would not want to do that.

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[ComeLordJesus]

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I really don't care all that much about King's private life. Whatever he did
behind closed doors, as far as I'm concerned, stays behind closed doors.

If we're to invalidate spiritual leaders for adultery, we'd have to start with
David; and I'm pretty sure most Christians would not want to do that.

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Since he claimed to be a Christian minister I think that puts on a whole different level.

 

[jaybird88]

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I really don't care all that much about King's private life. Whatever he did
behind closed doors, as far as I'm concerned, stays behind closed doors.

If we're to invalidate spiritual leaders for adultery, we'd have to start with
David; and I'm pretty sure most Christians would not want to do that.

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i was gonna bring up David and Solomon but u beat me to it.

so as a preacher what did he preach that was against what the bible teaches?

 

[WebersHome]

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as a preacher what did he preach that was against what the bible teaches?

Political activism and civil disobedience are out of the question for ordained
Christian ministers.

● 2Tim 2:4 . . As Christ's soldier, do not let yourself become tied up in the
affairs of this life, for then you cannot satisfy the one who has enlisted you
in his army.

● Rom 12:21 . . Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

● Rom 13:1-2 . . Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities,
for there is no authority except that which God has established. The
authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who
rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and
those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

● 1Pet 2:13-15 . . Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority
instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, or to
governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to
commend those who do right. For it is God's will that by doing good you
should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men.

Ordained Christian ministers are first and foremost shepherds whose
responsibility is the care of Christ's sheep-- not the world's sheep. In other
words: it is Christ's wishes that his ministers be congregational leaders
rather than social leaders.

● 1Pet 5:1-4 . .To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder, a
witness of Christ's sufferings and one who also will share in the glory to be
revealed:

. . . Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, serving as
overseers-- not because you must, but because you are willing, as God
wants you to be; not greedy for money, but eager to serve; not lording it
over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock. And when the
Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never
fade away.

In addition, ordained Christian ministers are supposed to exemplify Christ's
teachings as role models; not for the world, rather, for a congregation.

● 1Tim 4:12 . . Set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in
faith and in purity.

An ordained Christian minister's preaching is not for the benefit of the world,
rather, for the benefit of a congregation.

● Eph 4:11-12 . . He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and
some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, for the equipping of
the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ

●1Tim 4:13 . . Focus on reading the Scriptures to the church, encouraging
the believers, and teaching them.

● 2Tim 4:1-4 . . I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus
Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his
kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove,
rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come
when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall
they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn
away their ears from the truth.

The world likes to think of King as a pastor, but he wasn't a pastor; no, not
even a little; not for Christ anyway: King was first and foremost a renegade
Christian minister gone over to the dark side.

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[jaybird88]

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Political activism and civil disobedience are out of the question for ordained
Christian ministers.

● 2Tim 2:4 . . As Christ's soldier, do not let yourself become tied up in the
affairs of this life, for then you cannot satisfy the one who has enlisted you
in his army.

● Rom 12:21 . . Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

● Rom 13:1-2 . . Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities,
for there is no authority except that which God has established. The
authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who
rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and
those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

● 1Pet 2:13-15 . . Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority
instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, or to
governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to
commend those who do right. For it is God's will that by doing good you
should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men.

Ordained Christian ministers are first and foremost shepherds whose
responsibility is the care of Christ's sheep-- not the world's sheep. In other
words: it is Christ's wishes that his ministers be congregational leaders
rather than social leaders.

● 1Pet 5:1-4 . .To the elders among you, I appeal as a fellow elder, a
witness of Christ's sufferings and one who also will share in the glory to be
revealed:

. . . Be shepherds of God's flock that is under your care, serving as
overseers-- not because you must, but because you are willing, as God
wants you to be; not greedy for money, but eager to serve; not lording it
over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock. And when the
Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never
fade away.

In addition, ordained Christian ministers are supposed to exemplify Christ's
teachings as role models; not for the world, rather, for a congregation.

● 1Tim 4:12 . . Set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in
faith and in purity.

An ordained Christian minister's preaching is not for the benefit of the world,
rather, for the benefit of a congregation.

● Eph 4:11-12 . . He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and
some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, for the equipping of
the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ

●1Tim 4:13 . . Focus on reading the Scriptures to the church, encouraging
the believers, and teaching them.

● 2Tim 4:1-4 . . I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus
Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his
kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove,
rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come
when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall
they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn
away their ears from the truth.

The world likes to think of King as a pastor, but he wasn't a pastor; no, not
even a little; not for Christ anyway: King was first and foremost a renegade
Christian minister gone over to the dark side.

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all this is based on your opinion that a preacher is forbidden to speak on government affairs. i couldnt disagree more and you failed to provide one scripture that forbids a Christian or church leader from speaking on government issues.

yes i agree one is not to bury themselves into this world as if this is the only world that matters, but thats a far cry from the example of King. did King teach Christians should only focus on this world, i think no.

unlike many other teachers today, King actually went out and DID what he taught, which is exactly what Jesus criticized the pharisees on, they taught day after day and never went out and did these things.

King was also shot, killed and silenced. had he truly been from the dark side he would have been welcome in DC with all the other dark side members, but the government leaders hated him.

 

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had he truly been from the dark side

The Bible speaks of a darkness about which you are unaware due to your
inadequate knowledge of Christianity.

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[jaybird88]

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The Bible speaks of a darkness about which you are unaware due to your
inadequate knowledge of Christianity.
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Jesus teaches we will know them by their fruits.
the fruits of Kings teaching, kids should never be taught to hate each other based on skin color.
the fruits of most every other influential leader, 100 million dead in war and conflicts in the 20th century based on their decisions.
i have no problem seeing the darkness. are you saying there is a more esoteric dark knowledge and one can not access this knowledge until they denounce those that teach love, peace and helping others?