Is Sally Saved?

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

i am more than eager to learn

No, actually you're not eager to learn. What you're doing is being disingenuous at this point. It's a form of dishonesty.

So you now accuse me of not being eager to learn. You also accuse me of being disingenuous, and you also accuse me of being dishonest. my first thoughts is the following verse.

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Many accusation against me, yet not one single thing i have said that is evidence of me doing any of those things. They are in your head.

You stated the words "called" and "chosen" mean things they absolutely do not mean. I corrected you for the sake of others because you're unteachable and don't own your mistakes.

lol, correcting someone by merely saying they are wrong is not correcting them. lol. seriously that made me laugh out loud. Tell me, how did you correct me? what you think you corrected me because you disagreed with me, how is that correcting me? lol.

My giving of a definition of the terms is not the issue, it's your twisting the Word that is the issue.

i tell you what that verse means. you disagree with what i say it means. Then when i ask you to reveal to me what you think it means, you reply that is not the issue? Are you seeing at all how that is illogical?

OK, so you do not agree with what i say the verse means, you have every right to do so, it is called free will. i then ask you to reveal to me what YOU think the verse means, which thing you either forgot to do, or you just don't know. Either way still waiting for you to explain what it means to you.

Mat_22:14 For many are called (Getting SAVED), but few are chosen (Actually Being SAVED).

Many are called to be a Christian, many walk up the isle to be Saved, many accept Jesus Christ as their Savior and Lord, But only a few are chosen because out of all those that GET SAVED only a few of them will find the narrow and difficult path that leads to life everlasting, and i say a very few will find that path, even if they are told where that path is at.

Your turn: i know you don't agree with what i say above and thats fine. So i am willing to learn what YOU believe that verse means. Your turn:



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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Does Sally KNOW what SIN is?

Does Sally need to REPENT of her SINS before she BELIEVES in God's forgiveness or can she continue in SIN and just BELIEVE like the devils do?

If Sally does not KNOW what SIN is how does she know she is in NEED of a Savior?

SIN is the transgression of God's LAW and those who KNOWINGLY practice SIN without

REPENTANCE and FAITH in God's GRACE will not enter into God's Kingdom.

The road is dark and narrow when your lamp has gone out...

(Bumping)

You have now posted this post three times now. It is apparent you are looking for a response to this post. Therefore i will help in that regard.

This Thread and OP is suppose to be about the day SALLY Got Saved, if she is or is not Saved on that particular Day. Therefore what you are saying above i believe should be in another thread, please start one concerning that topic. Thanks.

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DiscipleDave

 

[LoveGodForever]

Originally Posted by LoveGodForever

Does Sally KNOW what SIN is?

Does Sally need to REPENT of her SINS before she BELIEVES in God's forgiveness or can she continue in SIN and just BELIEVE like the devils do?

If Sally does not KNOW what SIN is how does she know she is in NEED of a Savior?

SIN is the transgression of God's LAW and those who KNOWINGLY practice SIN without

REPENTANCE and FAITH in God's GRACE will not enter into God's Kingdom.

The road is dark and narrow when your lamp has gone out...

You have now posted this post three times now. It is apparent you are looking for a response to this post. Therefore i will help in that regard.

This Thread and OP is suppose to be about the day SALLY Got Saved, if she is or is not Saved on that particular Day. Therefore what you are saying above i believe should be in another thread, please start one concerning that topic. Thanks.

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DiscipleDave

Why does my post need to be in another thread and why is it not relevant to this topic?

If Sally has not repented of her SINS is she in a SAVED state before God or an UNSAVED state before God?

 

[DiscipleDave]

It's rather surprising, that according to the poll results, that a lot of people actually don't know.

I wonder if this a result as to the 'stigma' around altar calls and the amount of doubt that surrounds whether or not people are genuine in their profession.
If so, I believe the devil has sown this discord amongst the saints.

Truthfully i was surprised that over 50% of those who responded to the poll actually believes the Bible and what it plainly says, i actually thought it would be much less than 50%.

i see what the problem is now, after reading many of these posts. It seems those who believe OSAS are not willing to say if Sally was Saved or not, because if they concede that Sally was Saved on that particular Day, then anyone could bring up "What if Sally denied Jesus and stop believing in God" Then they would have to say "Well then she was not Saved to begin with" That is why they will not say one way or the other if Sally was Saved on that Day or not. It would put them in a pickle to answer what if Sally did this or that, is she still then Saved? So it is better for them to skirt that issue and merely not say if she is SAVED or not Saved.

If i were a betting man, i would bet ever single person that answered the Poll other than "Yes" believes in the doctrine OSAS.

Scriptures teach what a person must do in order to be SAVED, it is pretty clear on that matter. So then if Sally does all those things which Scriptures teaches a person must do to GET SAVED, then SALLY is SAVED according to the Word of God, despite what the words of men say. ON That Day that Sally believed in Jesus Christ, confessed, repented, and accepted Jesus Christ into her life, According to Scriptures she is indeed SAVED. if she walks out of the church and is killed, she is going to go to Heaven, because she Got Saved. So no matter what she does in the future, it is not going to change the FACT that she Got SAVED on that particular day, when she accepted Jesus Christ as her Savior and Lord. NOTHING is going to change that, That on that Day she was indeed SAVED.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Ok fair enough but the way it is written kinda makes me think there is an underlying issue here...almost like someone will trip up if they give the most obvious answer (which is yes of course)..like you will go on to say something like "but faith without works is dead so she isn't necessarily saved". I guess I was one step ahead of you. I'm sorry if I was off the mark, it's just how it looked where it was going to me that's all.

You are not far from the Kingdom of God. The ability to admit when you are wrong is not a trait of the last day generation. The Lord wants to do many good things with you. He can use people like you. May the Lord Jesus Christ Bless you and your family, May He manifest His Blessing to you in a public way, this is my prayer for you this night.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Is it possible that our names are written in the book of life at birth, and only blotted out when we refuse salvation?

i do not know the answer to this question. i can't say it is impossible.

i will have to pray about this, and do more research on it.

i have believed that it is when a person GETS SAVED that their name is written in the Book of Life. Now in light of your question to me, i have to reexamine that belief.

Scriptures seems to indicate that the names are written in the book before the foundation of the Earth was even placed.

Yes it would seem it is possible.

i will dive into prayer and Scriptures. And change my belief to line up with Scriptures.

Yes much to pray about. Thank you for bringing this question up.

Yet another question to add to the list, if God so chooses to call upon me again.

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DiscipleDave

 

[DiscipleDave]

Why does my post need to be in another thread and why is it not relevant to this topic?

If Sally has not repented of her SINS is she in a SAVED state before God or an UNSAVED state before God?

Please reread the OP, it clearly and plainly states she repented of her sins. If then the OP says she repented of her sins, then that is what it means. Now if the OP stated that she was questioning what sins are, or how many she did, or which ones are worse than others, or whatever else that is NOT in the OP, then you are changing the objectives of the OP.

In the OP, Sally repented of her sins, she confessed her sins, she believes in Jesus. These are FACTS stated in the hypothetical situation mentioned in the OP. You see you question whether or not if Sally repented of her sin, when in the OP it plainly and clearly says she did. Please try to stay on topic.

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DiscipleDave

 

[LoveGodForever]

Please reread the OP, it clearly and plainly states she repented of her sins. If then the OP says she repented of her sins, then that is what it means. Now if the OP stated that she was questioning what sins are, or how many she did, or which ones are worse than others, or whatever else that is NOT in the OP, then you are changing the objectives of the OP.

In the OP, Sally repented of her sins, she confessed her sins, she believes in Jesus. These are FACTS stated in the hypothetical situation mentioned in the OP. You see you question whether or not if Sally repented of her sin, when in the OP it plainly and clearly says she did. Please try to stay on topic.

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DiscipleDave

Thanks for the clarification. Then at that very moment in time when she BELIEVES the promise of God she is FORGIVEN because Gods says so.

 

[RickyZ]

i do not know the answer to this question. i can't say it is impossible.

i will have to pray about this, and do more research on it.

i have believed that it is when a person GETS SAVED that their name is written in the Book of Life. Now in light of your question to me, i have to reexamine that belief.

Scriptures seems to indicate that the names are written in the book before the foundation of the Earth was even placed.

Yes it would seem it is possible.

i will dive into prayer and Scriptures. And change my belief to line up with Scriptures.

Yes much to pray about. Thank you for bringing this question up.

Yet another question to add to the list, if God so chooses to call upon me again.

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DiscipleDave

God bless you! Truth is only available to those who are willing to question what they think they know, right?

Other than 'from the foundation of the world', I've not been able to pinpoint what gets your name written into the book of life. Maybe you'll find something I missed.

The reason I asked it is that the Bible seems to indicate that all are born innocent, and are not accountable until they reach the point where they think they know one way or another about God and Christ. If that is the case, then it would seem birth would be the catalyst for which one is written into the book of life.

?

 

[Laish]

So your saying the Preacher was WRONG for telling Sally she was Saved? Is that what you are saying? That the preacher should not have judged her as being Saved? Really?

What should be Done AFTER she is saved is not what this Thread is about. This thread and poll is about "Is Sally Saved?" Not what she should do once she is Saved.

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DiscipleDave

Dave I look at it this way if we could read minds yea we can say yes . Only God can do that . I do believe we should take Sally at her word that she believes. Yes the pastor should welcome here in to the family from what he has heard from Sally.
Unless somthing proves otherwise. I do understand that my belief that someone is saved is not certain . Only God know this .

I do have a question. Did you mean that the pastor was her judge ? He is the one that judges if she is saved or not ? That dose imply that he could say no to her .
Let’s look at it the other way . The pastor has this feeling. Although Sally has done all that you stated. He says no . She is not passing his sniff test. He can’t put his finger on it,but he has this hunch . Should this pastor say no ?
Blessings
Bill

 

[Eromonnis]

Sally is sitting in the Pew of a Church, her friend got her to go to church with her. When she hears the message she is convicted by her sins, she hears about Jesus, and wants to become a Christian. She knows she is sinner and wants to be forgiven.
At the alter call, she walks up to the preacher, and says i believe that Jesus is the Son of God, i believe that He rose from the dead. i confess my sins to Jesus Christ and i repent of them. She then asks the Preacher "Am I a Christian now? Am I saved? Is my name written in the Book of Life?" He then tells her she is a Christian and she is Born again and is Saved and that her name is written in the Book of Life.
The very next day she is water baptised.

Tell me, is Sally SAVED?

If I have to go by exactly what is written above, I would have to say 'unlikely'.

... i confess my sins to Jesus Christ and i repent of them...

Anybody can just say that.
Did Sally really confess (reveal) the sins of her life. Did she really repent (express regret) of those sins revealed?

...She then asks the Preacher "Am I a Christian now? Am I saved? Is my name written in the Book of Life?"...

Salvation comes from truthfulness, complete humility, and knowing too well that our human ego-nature is worthless and unworthy of salvation. Sally's neediness for confirmation comes from her human ego-nature.

...The very next day she is water baptised...

and what of the Spirit?

 

[RickyZ]

God bless you! Truth is only available to those who are willing to question what they think they know, right?

Other than 'from the foundation of the world', I've not been able to pinpoint what gets your name written into the book of life. Maybe you'll find something I missed.

The reason I asked it is that the Bible seems to indicate that all are born innocent, and are not accountable until they reach the point where they think they know one way or another about God and Christ. If that is the case, then it would seem birth would be the catalyst for which one is written into the book of life.

?

Here are two verses that would indicate being born innocent

John 9:41 Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of your sin. But now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains"

Romans 7:8-11. I was alive once without the law when I was a child... I had no understanding of the law as a child and I was sinless because where there is no law, there is no sin. But when I became old enough to understand the law, sin slew me.

So, would it then make sense that one is written in the book at birth (God knowing from the foundation of the world who was going to be born)? And if they fail judgement on their last day (not confessing and believing in Christ with their dying breath?), they are erased?

 

[Waggles]

I remember as a school pupil attending Blackfriars Priory and in religious instruction classes we would come up with a multitude of scenarios concerning salvation and the RCC's teachings on water christening and the last rights, and salvation.
What if .... and this happened ... would you be saved?

Salvation is spelled out clearly and easily in the NT for all to read and comply with.
It ain't rocket science.

Acts 2:38 and keep the faith until the end.

 

[dcontroversal]

Ths bible is clear...God's grace is premptive and outbounds our sin. The sins of the whole world were placed upon Christ....it is false and ignorant to say that only the past sins of a believer have been paid for....and to say otherwise is to put Christ on the cross every time one sins......

 

[dcontroversal]

This Thread is not about if Sally is going to Heaven going to Hell, or how Sally chooses to live her life. This Thread and OP is specifically about a specific day that Sally accepted Jesus Christ as her Savior and Lord, if on that particular DAY is Sally SAVED or Not SAVED. Can we all please try to stay on topic?

The hypothetical situation that i gave in the OP, is concerning ONE DAY, not the days after, not Sally's life, not if Sally going to go to Heaven or go to Hell. The OP is specifically talking about ONE DAY that SALLY got SAVED, if she did or didn't is the meaning of this thread. Nothing about her works, nothing about sinless perfection, or anything else that people can come up with to take the focus of what the OP actually is asking. Which is. ON that particular Day that Sally started believing in Jesus, and God Saved, was she Saved or not on that particular day?

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DiscipleDave

Once saved always saved.....Sally makes heaven if she was truly saved by faith void of any circus acts, hoops or dancing monkeys with a street organ player (works) for or to keep!

 

[dcontroversal]

sigh. .. .. ..

Still love you dcontroversal. What a perfect name you seem to have picked for yourself. Love you Brother.

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DiscipleDave

AOL picked it in 2007 thanks....and I have no problem with you other than your twisted, skewed false gospel of works, salvation that can be lost, sins not paid for, self proclaimed propheteer, etc.....

 

[dcontroversal]

Jesus Christ commands us to Love One Another. not put down, not belittle, not make fun of, not mock. All these things are from the devil and not from God.

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DiscipleDave

Facts bro.....nothing but facts and my quote was valid and exactly what you have done.......

 

[Magenta]

Good answer, Jesus was born out of wedlock so if someone born out of wedlock could be God then obviously someone born out wedlock could be saved.

Mary and Joseph were betrothed, meaning that Jesus was neither conceived nor born out of wedlock. They simply had not consummated their wedding vows, and would not until after Mary had given birth to Jesus. See Matthew 1:19. In the vast majority of versions/translations of that Scripture, Joseph is called Mary's husband. This is when he has found out she is pregnant, and considers divorcing her quietly. 23/25 use the word husband, while only maybe seven use the word divorce. Most say something along the lines of, putting her away, either secretly, or quietly (privately, so she would not come under the condemnation of the law for her assumed unfaithfulness, since Joseph knew he was not the father). Matthew 1:19, NIV:

Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet did not want
to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.[SUB][/SUB]

 

[Budman]

Sally is sitting in the Pew of a Church, her friend got her to go to church with her. When she hears the message she is convicted by her sins, she hears about Jesus, and wants to become a Christian. She knows she is sinner and wants to be forgiven.
At the alter call, she walks up to the preacher, and says i believe that Jesus is the Son of God, i believe that He rose from the dead. i confess my sins to Jesus Christ and i repent of them. She then asks the Preacher "Am I a Christian now? Am I saved? Is my name written in the Book of Life?" He then tells her she is a Christian and she is Born again and is Saved and that her name is written in the Book of Life.
The very next day she is water baptised.

Tell me, is Sally SAVED?

Can people be saved through alter calls?

Sure.

People can be saved even without saying a prayer.

The key word is "believe". If Sally believed that what Jesus did on the cross was for her personally - she is certainly saved.

 

[Zmouth]

Believe in your heart and confess with your lips - that's the litmus test for whether or not she is saved. Was it real for Sally? I'd have to see her works afterward. While works will not save you, they will indicate if one is truly saved or not.

So is believe in your heart considered faith? (Not IMO but I understand that believing is the same thing as faith to many believers.)

But if it is then faith then confessing with their lips must be works. So therefore faith without works is not saved. But one is not saved by faith, but by hope which is believing without any substance, since faith is the substance of things hoped for.