john Calvin's sermons on the Book of Job

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I have only listened to part of it but it sounds spot on.

I admit that many of those who claim to be Calvinist makes me skeptical of John Calvin so I have never listened or read any of his sermons before.

Anyone WANts to listen and discuss,please join me in lead ing more of the book of Job this month.

I decided to study sermons and books on Job during this Lental season.

https://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=11302113454
 
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Psalm 118
8It is better to take refuge in the LORD
Than to trust in man. 9It is better to take refuge in the LORD
Than to trust in princes. 10All nations surrounded me;
In the name of the LORD I will surely cut them off. 11They surrounded me, yes, they surrounded me;
In the name of the LORD I will surely cut them off. 12They surrounded me like bees;
They were extinguished as a fire of thorns;
In the name of the LORD I will surely cut them off.

IMO, when people put such trust in one man, It ought to be Jesus Christ.

Cut off the theological princes, for there's no such thing as "spiritual giants" of the faith to revere & depend on.

There's no big men of God, only small men who trust in a Big Savior.

It seems to me hypocritical for someone to say they don't believe in works outta one side of their mouth, & then trust in the works of another outta the other side of it.
 
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Can I ask you who you are referring to in this statement "It seems to me hypocritical for someone to say they don't believe in works outta one side of their mouth, & then trust in the works of another outta the other side of it."?
 
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Ariel82 said:
Can I ask you who you are referring to in this statement "It seems to me hypocritical for someone to say they don't believe in works outta one side of their mouth, & then trust in the works of another outta the other side of it."?
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Since I don't know you, obviously not you.:)
 
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I believe in the office of teacher and pastor for the Body to grow and be edified.

Teachers should teach sound doctrine,

Pastors should help the local body look to Jesus for answers, encourage them to be Bearens and search scripture for truth and not rely on them or other men but trust in the Holy spirit with in them.

Not sure what that has to do with my OP though?


Still listening to sermon. Will comment on it after prayer and probably listening to it at least 5 more times for clearer understanding,
.gtg get laundry done.

Currently 9:49 pm so almost bed time for me.
 
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Since I don't know you, obviously not you.:)
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Lol obviously. Which is why I wasn't offended just kind of like a deer in headlights trying to connect the dots.

Like I said, I have avoided studying Calvin but I would rather read/listen to his own words than what others say he says,
 
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The main thing in never heard before was that Kush was not of Israel but either of the far east or a city of the descendents of Esau.

However I have heard Job time can't be told, some even place it as early as before Noah time.
.uncertain things but interesting to ponder. Will have to pray and relisten to it.
 
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If we are not to trust man, why go to church and set under a Pastor's teachings?
 
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Ariel82 said:
I have only listened to part of it but it sounds spot on.

I admit that many of those who claim to be Calvinist makes me skeptical of John Calvin so I have never listened or read any of his sermons before.

Anyone WANts to listen and discuss,please join me in lead ing more of the book of Job this month.

I decided to study sermons and books on Job during this Lental season.

https://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=11302113454
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Hi Ariel! Some of the most spiritual people I know are calvanists. There are many verses supporting it and many valid points to be made. Sadly it seems to be a "hot button" issue among Christians and as such an oftentimes difficult subject to discuss.
I believe that we see only a small part of the big picture. I tend to see calvanism and arminism (pretty sure I spelled that wrong) as two sides to the same coin. Again, thats just my view on it though I can post a few verses supporting both sides...


John 15:16


“Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it to you."

John 15:19 19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you."

John 3:16 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

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SovereignGrace said:
If we are not to trust man, why go to church and set under a Pastor's teachings?
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In regard to antichrists we are warned not to believe we do need a man to teach us .We seek the approval of God who is not a man as us not seen, not man as us, seen . We walk understand him not seen by faith the unseen eternal

He informs us as "it" the faith that comes from hearing God has taught us and continues to teach us we abide in him. Not the pastor Like Nicoloe

Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.Revelation 2

Do the first works of God working in us to both will and do His good pleasure ,the new creation, by believing what he says.

Don't trust Nicolas of the Nicolaitan denomination or Jim Jones they could be used as a adversary as was Peter in Mathew 16.When Peter blasphemed the Son of man as that seen.( forgivable)

But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.Rev 2:5

I would think the pastor would offer to the congregation how to hear the voice of God and the things of God and not the things of men .Its there where the father of lies, Satan can get his foot in the door. If the gospel is being preached it can open the door to fellowship with Him not seen . Its how we hear the knock as the Spirit gives us ears. "Our first love"
 
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Hi Ariel! Some of the most spiritual people I know are calvanists. There are many verses supporting it and many valid points to be made. Sadly it seems to be a "hot button" issue among Christians and as such an oftentimes difficult subject to discuss.
I believe that we see only a small part of the big picture. I tend to see calvanism and arminism (pretty sure I spelled that wrong) as two sides to the same coin. Again, thats just my view on it though I can post a few verses supporting both sides...


John 15:16


“Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it to you."

John 15:19 19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you."

John 3:16 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

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i don't see it as "two sides of the same coin" but i do know believers from both Calvinist and Arminian camps and I believe God will show us His truth and bring us closer and closer to the same beliefs in His truth and not in the world's wisdom.
 
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Ariel82 said:
I have only listened to part of it but it sounds spot on.

I admit that many of those who claim to be Calvinist makes me skeptical of John Calvin so I have never listened or read any of his sermons before.

Anyone WANts to listen and discuss,please join me in lead ing more of the book of Job this month.

I decided to study sermons and books on Job during this Lental season.

https://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=11302113454
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I admit to being curious on Calvin's sermon on Job. (Didn't know he did sermons on books of the Bible. Truthfully, the only thing I do know he did write was "Institutes." lol) But, nope, nope, nope. I was sick the first week this year, so my Christmas decorations are still up.


But I would like you to think over what you wrote here. I do get that you come on here when you have bouts of insomnia, and as a fellow insomniac, I get how easy it is to think we're thinking clearly and articulating well, when we're not really. So, do know I'm not holding this against you, nor do you need to apologize for it.

That second paragraph? Are you aware that can be easily translated into, "I don't like Calvinists, so don't join in if you're a Calvinist?"

Not very welcoming.
 
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I admit to being curious on Calvin's sermon on Job. (Didn't know he did sermons on books of the Bible. Truthfully, the only thing I do know he did write was "Institutes." lol) But, nope, nope, nope. I was sick the first week this year, so my Christmas decorations are still up.


But I would like you to think over what you wrote here. I do get that you come on here when you have bouts of insomnia, and as a fellow insomniac, I get how easy it is to think we're thinking clearly and articulating well, when we're not really. So, do know I'm not holding this against you, nor do you need to apologize for it.

That second paragraph? Are you aware that can be easily translated into, "I don't like Calvinists, so don't join in if you're a Calvinist?"

Not very welcoming.
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i do apologize if that is the impression you got. what i mean is one or two who claim to be calvinist and have told me what he believes have made me unwilling to spend too much time reading his words.

however i if you keep reading you will see that i do say that i have friends in both camps and we are okay with our varying views as long as we agree about the main GOSPEL message of Jesus death upon the cross for our sins, death and resurrection and sending the holy spirit so we can be born again believers.

we all have room to grow in Christ.
 
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Yeah, but really left field to start with that last post in a study of Job.

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yep my gears are still trying to make those dots connect. i think its time for me just to give it to the Divine mechanic cuz it makes me feel like i have some screws loose.
 
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Ariel82 said:
however i if you keep reading you will see that i do say that i have friends in both camps and we are okay with our varying views as long as we agree about the main GOSPEL message of Jesus death upon the cross for our sins, death and resurrection and sending the holy spirit so we can be born again believers.
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While Calvin's sermons on Job could be helpful to you, the Gospel of Calvinism is not the same as the Gospel of the New Testament. Calvinists do NOT believe that Christ died for the sins of the whole world.
 
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While Calvin's sermons on Job could be helpful to you, the Gospel of Calvinism is not the same as the Gospel of the New Testament. Calvinists do NOT believe that Christ died for the sins of the whole world.
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lets just say I attend a Methodist Church and HAVE read most of John Wesley's sermons i have been able to find (at least 44 of them) and He believes in universal atonement. (Calvin believes in limited atonement: Jesus only died for the elect)

however i don't really want to debate the topic but would like to talk about the Book of Job and some of the things Calvin illuminates on that Holy Scripture.

i am not endorsing everything Calvin says but i really like this sermon and the Part 2 also. i will post a link.

https://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=11302143926
 
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If we are not to trust man, why go to church and set under a Pastor's teachings?
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We see our pastor & know him by his fruits.

As for Calvin, I've never seen him nor heard him.

Besides, we're not basing an entire belief system based on our pastor's teachings.

Calling an entire belief system "Calvinism" should set off red lights by itself.

Not even televangelists are trying that.:rolleyes:
 
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