Is the Trinity like 1/3+1/3+1/3=1?

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Aravis_8

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[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]Searching about the Trinity, I found very good explanations like the "one BEING that has 3 PERSONS" or the analogy of the cube as in C. S. Lewis book. But, if a cube is made of 6 sqaures, it means that, if one square is missing, we can no longer call that figure a cube, and, the square that is missing in this cube is not a cube anymore, it is just a square. Does that mean that, without one of these persons, God is not complete? Do those 3 persons depend on each other to become God like the squares depend on each other to become a cube? Would we say that the trinity is like 1/3 of God? Like 1/3+1/3+1/3=1? I know it doesn't fit in the definition of the Christian God. But what would be the answer for it? How does the trinity works in this sense?
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Lucy-Pevensie

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You're one person. With a body, soul & spirit.
 

Aravis_8

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[FONT=Roboto Slab, serif]You NEED your body, soul and spirit in order to be called a person. Back to the same point... No?[/FONT]
 

posthuman

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a cube doesn't have to be described by faces, it can be described by vertices. 8 of them. then removing a face is removing 4 vertices, so you have a square - you've collapsed dimensionaly by a factor of 1.

but with references to a cube, if the sides are 1, the volume is 1, because 1*1*1 = 1. collapse to two dimensions and the area is 1 rather than volume - but it doesn't mean the z direction is "removed" just not seen; if you're looking at a square you're seeing the projection of the higher-dimensional cube onto a 2-d surface.

likewise with an hypercube of any size with sides {s[SUB]i[/SUB]} equal to 1, we can define volume for any dimension to be s[SUB]i [/SUB]= 1 evaluated over any amount of i
given the size N any hypercube we perceive in dimension (N-m) for m < N still has volumetric measure = 1 if we define measure this way.

of course God is not a geometric figure. but the important things to remember if you are thinking this way, is that the "1 + 1 + 1 = 3" argument assumes we should be "adding" and assumes that we should measure length, and use a normal Euclidian measure of length, and call that an 'amount of god(s)'
none of those assumptions are necessarily valid. we're talking about Almighty God, not a pile of beans to count.

and we have an axiom from scripture: "
God is one" and "there is no other god" -- so whatever math we derive, ti has to hold to this.
 
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Aravis_8

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Thank you. Your answer made me see trough another lens.
 

Nehemiah6

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Is the Trinity like 1/3+1/3+1/3=1?

No. It is like 1 x 1 x 1 = 1 and at the same time 1 + 1 + 1 = 3.

Don't try to "figure it out". Just believe it and move on.

And there is no such thing as "the Christian God". There is only one true and living God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. All other gods are false gods (in fact demons).
 
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OtherWay210

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The bible says there is ONE GOD .
The Godhead is better accepted as offices :
of Father,
The Only begotten Son,
and The Holy Spirit.

Its clear when Christ is called " Immanuel meaning God with us " ; that the only word that sufficiently describes that is Offices . There is one God, fulfilling different roles according to His plans ..

Once you start delving into mans reasoning; commentary or false doctrines :
then begins the confusion of thinking about "three gods".

Or they'll start truing to use math equations,
and egg shell analogies OR
maybe start drawing up diagrams.

Here is a clue, how about start listening to scriptures ?
Leave mans two cents out of it . READ YOUR BIBLE .....







 
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MarcR

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[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]Searching about the Trinity, I found very good explanations like the "one BEING that has 3 PERSONS" or the analogy of the cube as in C. S. Lewis book. But, if a cube is made of 6 sqaures, it means that, if one square is missing, we can no longer call that figure a cube, and, the square that is missing in this cube is not a cube anymore, it is just a square. Does that mean that, without one of these persons, God is not complete? Do those 3 persons depend on each other to become God like the squares depend on each other to become a cube? Would we say that the trinity is like 1/3 of God? Like 1/3+1/3+1/3=1? I know it doesn't fit in the definition of the Christian God. But what would be the answer for it? How does the trinity works in this sense?
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I think it is more like 1x1x1=1
 
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joefizz

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[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]Searching about the Trinity, I found very good explanations like the "one BEING that has 3 PERSONS" or the analogy of the cube as in C. S. Lewis book. But, if a cube is made of 6 sqaures, it means that, if one square is missing, we can no longer call that figure a cube, and, the square that is missing in this cube is not a cube anymore, it is just a square. Does that mean that, without one of these persons, God is not complete? Do those 3 persons depend on each other to become God like the squares depend on each other to become a cube? Would we say that the trinity is like 1/3 of God? Like 1/3+1/3+1/3=1? I know it doesn't fit in the definition of the Christian God. But what would be the answer for it? How does the trinity works in this sense?
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hmmm probably simpler to put things this way...
3=[1&1&1] but in original Glory...1=¥(God)2=€(Christ)3=~(Holy spirit/ghost) but they function together like this...1&2&3 yet are still...[1&1&1]
 

Nehemiah6

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hmmm probably simpler to put things this way...
3=[1&1&1] but in original Glory...1=¥(God)2=€(Christ)3=~(Holy spirit/ghost) but they function together like this...1&2&3 yet are still...[1&1&1]
Simpler??? Looks like calculus. Now bring in the Fibonacci numbers.
 
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joefizz

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Simpler??? Looks like calculus. Now bring in the Fibonacci numbers.
Whatever Calculus is...
just tried to simplify though I don't quite like number stuff concerning the bible though there are quite a few times for it.
 

posthuman

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Simpler??? Looks like calculus. Now bring in the Fibonacci numbers.
I'll show you calculus after work =]
Too difficult to put the right symbols in typing on a phone
 

Aravis_8

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Guys, it is not about the numbers... I just made it as a Title. The question lies on "do the persons of the Trinity depend on each other in other to "become" God? I know the answer is NO, I'm just looking for an explanation for this "NO" answer." The analogy with the cube was just to think about the "made of" as the cube is "made of squares", one could think that God is "made of" persons. Now, I know it is NOT like this, but I was questioned about it and I could not explain it properly to someone else. That's why I'm trying to find a good explanation here.
 
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OtherWay210

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Aravis_8best way anyone can explain this, is from scriptures. ( with no commentary explanation ) . Read the bible, pray in your studies . Recall and retain what you read from the Bible .

Ill post theses verses and move on .


Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.


Matthew 1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.



 
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oldhermit

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You cannot reduce God to a mathematical formula or a diagram on a piece of paper. It is impossible to comprehend the nature of God through the limited confines of human language.
 

posthuman

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Suppose we're 1 dimensional creatures ((nor much if a stretch of imagination jejeje)) and we're looking at a hyperspace. Or just a sphere if you don't know what that is. We only know one dimension and we only perceive one dimension but we're looking at a thing that exists in ways we can't see or maybe even imagine. We see a point. 1 dimension.
Suppose we're 2 dimensional - then a sphere looks to us like a circle. Likewise if we are 3 dimensions we see 3 dimensions, a sphere. But a hypersphere, an n-dimensional sphere, looks to us like only a 3d sphere I'm 3d, a circle in 2d, and so on. What we perceive depends on limitations imposed on us by the 'space' we ourselves exist in. God Himself is unlimited.

We knew Him as Spirit, as 1-d. He revealed Himself as Father, like 2-d. He revealed Himself as Eternal Son, like 3-d. This doesn't make 3 separate gods but one God - He doesn't change, the limits of our perception change as He broadens our understanding, as He reveals more of His person. The whole scripture is the revelation of God: God revealing Himself to man.

These are all analogies, Jesus isn't a z-axis. But in a sense you can map the trinity to a space with these three axis. Removing one is only removing knowledge of one, it doesn't change His absolute measure, it changes our ability to measure.

It is hard to comprehend because we use the space we exist in to comprehend it: we try to map Him to humanity, and speak in terms of His 'person' as though He is a human. We can't fathom three people being one person - though we van easily understand hearing, seeing and touching a single person, while each of those senses are distinct and each gibes us a distinct set of information from what and how we sense.

He came as a man, in the likeness of a Son, and it is to communicate to us Himself. We perceive Him as if a human, not because He is human or because Him enfleshed different from Him as Spirit, but in the same way, i think, that we receive a phone call. The person isn't a disembodied voice, and they are much.more than the sound they produce, and their voice is not a separate entity from themselves, but it acts as a voice and interacts with the soul of the one speaking as their voice, and without knowledge that the voice was produced by a person, we might think the voice itself is a person, a separate person all self-contained, but we only think that by ignorance of the picture we would see if only we could see 'all'

Hope i am being helpful lol. If it were easy, it would not bear asking and thinking about for thousands of years
 

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The issue we encounter in trying to understand the nature of God is that we have a difficult time addressing the linguistic valance problem.
 

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[FONT=wf_segoe-ui_normal]But what would be the answer for it? How does the trinity works in this sense?[/FONT]
I really do not know why mere mortals want to go where angels dwell?
Paul and John were taken up in the spirit to heavenly visions.
Ezekiel and Isaiah like wise wrote of heavenly visions.
Fantastic beasts with six wings and eyes all over that sang praises to God.

The spiritual realm is way beyond our tiny imaginations.
Angels - all male? Cherubim and seraphim - arch angels

What is the nature and power of God in the Heavens.
He is described as brighter than the Sun.
Unapproachable light.
Not even Moses could look upon the LORD and was placed in
the cleft of the rock.
And did not Moses have to wear a veil because of the glory
that shone from his face?


All we need to know is in our Bibles and by the indwelling
Holy Spirit.
All I know is that I pray in tongues and I get results.
Jesus is my Lord and Saviour and by the Holy Spirit
I have access to my Father in heaven.

We will know much more when we become like him.