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ComeLordJesus

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why does the Bible say we have to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. Acts 2:38
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Your reading an English bible, The origional english texts did nit even say this, The origional king james said repent ye (plural) and let everyone one of you (singular) be baptised.

In the greek Peter told everyone (you plural)to repent, and you would recieve the gift of the HS.

He then told those who repented to be baptised based on the fact they had recieved tremission of sin.

 
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3341. metanoia ►
Strong's Concordance
metanoia: change of mind, repentance
Original Word: μετάνοια, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: metanoia
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an'-oy-ah)
Short Definition: repentance, a change of mind
Definition: repentance, a change of mind, change in the inner man.


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God provides this



Ezekiel 36:26
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.


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Ephesians 2:8
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
 

John146

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why does the Bible say we have to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. Acts 2:38
Peter is talking to Jews and how they crucified their Messiah. Acts is not a doctrinal book for the body of Christ. It is a transitional book from Jew to Gentile, from signs to faith, from Peter to Paul, from Jerusalem to Antioch.

Acts 236 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


The question at hand is what shall we do, not what shall we do to be saved.
 

Magenta

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why does the Bible say we have to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. Acts 2:38
The word repent in the original language denotes a change of mind toward God, in essence, a turning away from our life of sin, rebellion, defiance, and disobedience in the natural man, to acknowledge Who He is, and what He has done for us, in bringing us to spiritual life through the Holy Spirit of God, via faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ.

Being baptized is an outward show of an inward change, and also a means of bringing testimony to the church that God is still active in the world today, redeeming sinners through the shed righteous blood of His only begotten Son, Who gave His life as a ransom for many, that we may be reconciled to God, and attain to life ever after.

3340. metanoeó ►Strong's Concordance

metanoeó: to change one's mind or purpose

Original Word: μετανοέωPart of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: metanoeó
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an-o-eh'-o)
Short Definition: I repent, change my mind

Definition: I repent, change my mind, change the inner man
(particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God), repent.

HELPS Word-studies3340 metanoéō (from 3326 /metá,
"changed after being with" and 3539 /noiéō, "think") –
properly, "think differently after," "after a change of mind";
to repent (literally, "think differently afterwards").

 

Nehemiah6

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Your reading an English bible, The origional english texts did nit even say this, The origional king james said repent ye (plural) and let everyone one of you (singular) be baptised.
Not sure where you got this information, but it incorrect. Here's the original KJB 1611:

Then Peter said vnto them, Repent, and be baptized euery one of you in the Name of Iesus Christ, for the remission of sinnes, and ye shal receiue the gift of the holy Ghost.

And the Greek does not have "ye" either (not that it matters).
 

Nehemiah6

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why does the Bible say we have to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. Acts 2:38
As you can see, salvation is all about sins -- deliverance from the penalty, the power, and the presence of sins. In order to understand Acts 2:38 one must turn to Luke 24:47, which records the words of Christ:

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name
among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.


What the Lord is saying is that unless there is repentance (a TURNING AWAY from sins and idols) there can be no remission (or forgiveness) of sins. When the sinner hears the Gospel and realizes that he is indeed a sinner on his way to Hell, he must genuinely turn away from sinning in order to turn to the Savior for salvation. Otherwise it is just a sham. So repentance toward God and faith toward the Lord Jesus Christ are two sides of the same coin (Acts 20:21).

Now when you read Acts 2:8 it gives the impression that water baptism is also necessary for salvation. But the meaning of what Peter said is that those who are saved by grace MUST be baptized immediately to indicate that they are dead to their old sinful life and ways and alive to God through Christ. That is why Peter also commanded those in the household of Cornelius to be baptized immediately, and Paul and Silas also immediately baptized the believing household of the Philippian keeper of the prison (jailer).
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Not sure where you got this information, but it incorrect. Here's the original KJB 1611:

Then Peter said vnto them, Repent, and be baptized euery one of you in the Name of Iesus Christ, for the remission of sinnes, and ye shal receiue the gift of the holy Ghost.

And the Greek does not have "ye" either (not that it matters).
ASV
38 [FONT=&quot]And Peter [/FONT]said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

My bad, it was the America’s standard. And it does say so in the greek. The word ye is not there. Ye is the translation of the word used.

Repent - 2nd person plural.

Baptize. Third person singular.

he told everyone to repent

He only told select people to be baptized. He did not tell everyone to repent and be baptized.


 
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why does the Bible say we have to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. Acts 2:38
A person can get baptized In water for a good conscience toward GOD but a person can't clean the Inside,,only GOD can do that.
The words that JESUS spoke were SPIRIT and LIFE,the only way Is to repent and believe and by Grace GOD will give you Eternal Life.
For GOD SO loved the world that HE gave HIS only BEGOTTEN SON that whosoever BELIEVES In HIM should not perish but have EVERLASTING LIFE.
 

DJ2

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Your reading an English bible, The origional english texts did nit even say this, The origional king james said repent ye (plural) and let everyone one of you (singular) be baptised.

In the greek Peter told everyone (you plural)to repent, and you would recieve the gift of the HS.

He then told those who repented to be baptised based on the fact they had recieved tremission of sin.

Only someone neck deep in delusion would concoct such a bogus notion as what you just wrote.

"Your reading an English bible"? What silliness is this. If you can read this into the verbiage used in this verse, there is little hope for you to grasp the truth of the scriptures.

I sincerely hope that you one day stop and see the scriptures as written and not as hoped for.
 
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DJ2

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A person can get baptized In water for a good conscience toward GOD but a person can't clean the Inside,,only GOD can do that.
The words that JESUS spoke were SPIRIT and LIFE,the only way Is to repent and believe and by Grace GOD will give you Eternal Life.
For GOD SO loved the world that HE gave HIS only BEGOTTEN SON that whosoever BELIEVES In HIM should not perish but have EVERLASTING LIFE.
A person can get baptized In water
What do you mean "can"? Is baptism an option?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Only someone neck deep in delusion would concoct such a bogus notion as what you just wrote.

"Your reading an English bible"? What silliness is this. If you can read this into the verbiage used in this verse, there is little hope for you to grasp the truth of the scriptures.

I sincerely hope that you one day stop and see the scriptures as written and not as hoped for.
Yeah what ever, you already proved facts mean nothing to you.

I proved my point, notice you did not respond to that.

I hope one day you seriously stop giving man credit for the work of God and Give God what is due him,
 

ComeLordJesus

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Why then does Peter make a big deal out Noah and his family being saved by water in 1Peter 3:20?
 

Magenta

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Why then does Peter make a big deal out Noah and his family being saved by water in 1Peter 3:20?
Peter is comparing the act of baptism to being saved by water, but he explicitly says it is not the outward washing of the man but the inward cleansing, a clear conscience toward God. This water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ...
 
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What do you mean "can"? Is baptism an option?
Well in technicality one doesn't have to be water baptized for it is better to be baptized of the spirit,but I myself believe both spirit and water baptism are "Best" because both represent a form of "accepting of Jesus" Water baptism represents us being baptized into Jesus's death and thereby receiving remission of sins,where as spirit acceptance represents that you "wholly believe" humbly and sincerely that Jesus can save your soul and did all the bible says he did.
 
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Ellsworth1943

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why does the Bible say we have to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. Acts 2:38
Just a thought here----
What if a person could not be baptized because of medical reasons?
If baptism is necessary for salvation, that person has no chance for eternal life.
Think about that for a moment.
 

ComeLordJesus

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Peter is comparing the act of baptism to being saved by water, but he explicitly says it is not the outward washing of the man but the inward cleansing, a clear conscience toward God. This water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ...
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us
 

Magenta

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The Old Testament is filled with types and shadows of Jesus Christ, who fulfilled hundreds of prophesies concerning His birth, life, ministry, miracles, crucifixion, death, and resurrection. Baptism by water is one of them :) Jesus baptizes with the Holy Spirit of God. That is the baptism that saves. There have been a few threads on this topic with heated discussions, some saying you must be baptized in water or you are not saved, but the Bible does not say that.
 

Magenta

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The belief that baptism is necessary for salvation is also known as "baptismal regeneration." Baptism is an important step of obedience for a Christian, but many adamantly reject baptism as being required for salvation. We strongly believe that each and every Christian should be water baptized by immersion.

Baptism illustrates a believer’s identification with Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection.Romans 6:3-4declares, “Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.” The action of being immersed in the water illustrates dying and being buried with Christ. The action of coming out of the water pictures Christ’s resurrection.

Requiring anything in addition to faith in Jesus Christ for salvation is a works-based salvation. To add anything to the gospel is to say that Jesus' death on the cross was not sufficient to purchase our salvation. To say that baptism is necessary for salvation is to say we must add our own good works and obedience to Christ's death in order to make it sufficient for salvation. Jesus' death alone paid for our sins (Romans 5:8;2 Corinthians 5:21). Jesus' payment for our sins is appropriated to our “account” by faith alone (John 3:16;Acts 16:31;Ephesians 2:8-9). Therefore, baptism is an important step of obedience after salvation but cannot be a requirement for salvation.

Yes, there are some verses that seem to indicate baptism as a requirement for salvation. However, since the Bible so clearly tells us that salvation is received by faith alone (John 3:16;Ephesians 2:8-9;Titus 3:5), there must be a different interpretation of those verses. Scripture does not contradict Scripture. In Bible times, a person who converted from one religion to another was often baptized to identify conversion. Baptism was the means of making a decision public. Those who refused to be baptized were saying they did not truly believe. So, in the minds of the apostles and early disciples, the idea of an un-baptized believer was unheard of. When a person claimed to believe in Christ, yet was ashamed to proclaim his faith in public, it indicated that he did not have true faith.

If baptism is necessary for salvation, why would Paul have said, “I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius” (1 Corinthians 1:14)? Why would he have said, “For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power” (1 Corinthians 1:17)? Granted, in this passage Paul is arguing against the divisions that plagued the Corinthian church. However, how could Paul possibly say, “I am thankful that I did not baptize…” or “For Christ did not send me to baptize…” if baptism were necessary for salvation?

If baptism is necessary for salvation, Paul would literally be saying, “I am thankful that you were not saved…” and “For Christ did not send me to save…” That would be an unbelievably ridiculous statement for Paul to make. Further, when Paul gives a detailed outline of what he considers the gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-8), why does he neglect to mention baptism? If baptism is a requirement for salvation, how could any presentation of the gospel lack a mention of baptism?

Baptism is not necessary for salvation. Baptism does not save from sin but from a bad conscience. In 1 Peter 3:21, Peter clearly taught that baptism was not a ceremonial act of physical purification, but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. Baptism is the symbol of what has already occurred in the heart and life of one who has trusted Christ as Savior (Romans 6:3-5; Galatians 3:27; Colossians 2:12). Baptism is an important step of obedience that every Christian should take. Baptism cannot be a requirement for salvation. To make it such is an attack on the sufficiency of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.m? If baptism is a requirement for salvation, how could any presentation of the gospel lack a mention of baptism? https://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-salvation.html