Free will and God's will
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You don't know what you're talking about at all. Nor do EG or john146. 
Yep. He can not prove us wrong, so all he has left is to attack and tell us we do not now what we are talk9ng about.
Yep. Here is a man of God here, who really is humble. And wants to help others. (Not)
The rest of the posts on this page are ignored. I wonder if they were all getting their jolly’s slamming me??
Lol. They can continue, it just probed what I said about them right,
What’s really sad? I consider them my brothers, and they are attacking me based on doctrinal truths that will not even help 1 person get to heaven (a non essential)
Just gotta love it
As an aside, I agree you are not being spoken well to at all times and in every post.
I somewhat agree the matter does not bear on salvation...its bearing is important to those of us with a history of becoming a foolish Galatian for some space of time. And the importance of its bearing may be more or less according to to us considering how little or long we remained in the agony.
I somewhat agree the matter does not bear on salvation...its bearing is important to those of us with a history of becoming a foolish Galatian for some space of time. And the importance of its bearing may be more or less according to to us considering how little or long we remained in the agony.
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I will say, I understand, when someone disagrees with us, It can take us back, and even may be offensive at times (especially if it is on of my churches main doctrines) but if I have to resort to tactics like have been going on in here. Then something is either wrong with my faith, or I need to take some humble pie.
I admit, I can be offended and not respond right, but I pray when someone corrects me for those tactics I repent and just stick to discussion of what is true about what I believe, and why I can not agree.. Which is all we should be doing anyway.
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Nah I don't really believe it's exactly "attacks" it's more of "egotistical gloating" people do it once in awhile "even me" but it's not "surprising" we all feel a passion that we are "right about God's word".
Once in awhile we feel the need to get sarcastic or be overbearing with certainty in our beliefs,but "it happens" only when things "get out of hand" is it "best" to "retaliate with blunt truth" but if we just simply "get angry" then chances are that our thinking will be clouded and speak confounding things,we must always remember the difference between "Angry banters" and "Righteous,Passionate,Truth" getting riled up for the Lord is one thing,just getting upset and bitter is another.
Once in awhile we feel the need to get sarcastic or be overbearing with certainty in our beliefs,but "it happens" only when things "get out of hand" is it "best" to "retaliate with blunt truth" but if we just simply "get angry" then chances are that our thinking will be clouded and speak confounding things,we must always remember the difference between "Angry banters" and "Righteous,Passionate,Truth" getting riled up for the Lord is one thing,just getting upset and bitter is another.
You made judgment (do I hate Scripture? Sad. Very sad). Someone else called you out on it. Show me the exact words you read in which I stated "I hate Scripture." A person's reading comprehension is different than the exact words being said. It's dangerously similar to the traits of the mainstream media. That's not a compliment.
I agree God did not create us just so we go through life paying bills. There are plenty of those in less fortunate situations such as third world countries and on the streets altogether. That doesn't mean God thinks any of them less. God does call us, however, to move out and become our own. It's hard to do that when you're 27 years old and living at home.
There's a difference between God allowing stuff to happen and God calling for stuff to happen. I mentioned people committing crimes in a previous post. Not even just a crime, but a sin like infidelity. God isn't going to tell a husband/wife to cheat on the spouse. That would be Him encouraging someone to sin, which we know is false because God cannot have sin.
Another example would be someone living in an abusive environment. He may have someone go through that as a way to bring that person closer to Him, but no one can honestly say God expects someone to be abused and tortured for the rest of their lives while not doing a thing about it. Is it any different than someone going into the later part of his 20s while still living at home? I think not. God doesn't call us to be slouches and mooch off people for the rest of our lives. There's a difference between asking for help, and being a sloth. The latter is also something God speaks against.
There's a difference between God allowing stuff to happen and God calling for stuff to happen. I mentioned people committing crimes in a previous post. Not even just a crime, but a sin like infidelity. God isn't going to tell a husband/wife to cheat on the spouse. That would be Him encouraging someone to sin, which we know is false because God cannot have sin.
Another example would be someone living in an abusive environment. He may have someone go through that as a way to bring that person closer to Him, but no one can honestly say God expects someone to be abused and tortured for the rest of their lives while not doing a thing about it. Is it any different than someone going into the later part of his 20s while still living at home? I think not. God doesn't call us to be slouches and mooch off people for the rest of our lives. There's a difference between asking for help, and being a sloth. The latter is also something God speaks against.
John146 continually claims that God did not know if the Ninevahites would repent or not, or if Abraham would truly sacrifice his son Isaac, until after the fact. In other words, he is stating that God does not know all things, and if God does not have perfect foreknowledge, then He is no better than you or I. That was what(God's exhaustive foreknowledge) and whom(John146 and all open theists) I was addressing in that post you quoted of mine.
I am sorry and offer you my sincerest apology for mistaking that post as a slam on all Arminians. Arminians are not open theists. But in today's churches, there are very few...if any...true classical Arminians. They're really semi-Pelagianists.
I am sorry and offer you my sincerest apology for mistaking that post as a slam on all Arminians. Arminians are not open theists. But in today's churches, there are very few...if any...true classical Arminians. They're really semi-Pelagianists.
Another thread has degenerated into Sniper's Paradise. Why not simply deal with the issues instead of practicing one-upmanship?
1. Did God create Man to have free will? Absolutely.
2. Did man's free will disappear after the Fall? Absolutely not.
3. Does man's free will restrict God's will in any way? Absolutely not.
For those who wish to see this backed up with Scripture, kindly do your personal study of this issue.
1. Did God create Man to have free will? Absolutely.
2. Did man's free will disappear after the Fall? Absolutely not.
3. Does man's free will restrict God's will in any way? Absolutely not.
For those who wish to see this backed up with Scripture, kindly do your personal study of this issue.
Yes if not full pelagian. There was also some inconsistency on the part of his teachings. Isaiah 46:10 was used as saying God knows only the beginning and end, just not the things in between. That is contradictory to his Abraham and Nineveh scenarios but all false teachings have inconsistent hermeneutics by necessity. Bottom line he has God learning and coming to know things. That is classic Openness/Open Theism.
I'd be looking for another God, there has to be a much higher being than that. And of course there is.
I'd be looking for another God, there has to be a much higher being than that. And of course there is.
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Job was a true man of God. Why did God allow Satan to kill Job's kids, destroy his business, and fill him full of disease to the point that pottery shards could not squelch the itch? It wasn't because Job sinned. It wasn't to discipline him. It certainly wasn't Job's free will. The thing that drives me nuts about the Book of Job is God never answers that question. The BIG question we all have -- Why me, Lord?
I want to know. Really, really want to know!
When I became disabled, I asked. And he actually answered me on that one. He said, "Why not you?" Truthfully, it cracked me up, because I'm not Job, so why not me? lol
But Job, who was a righteous man of God, never did get a direct answer. He did, however get a very long, thorough answer that satisfied him too. Because he's God!
I can't tell you why some people get the crappy end of the stick. I can tell you that nothing happens without God's say-so, as proved by the Book of Job. And, ultimately, all things work for the good of those who love the Lord and are called to his purposes.
You, sir? YOU are 27 and still living at home. That ain't bad in this day and age. The cost-of-living and the cost of education has increased at such a rate that it is not like back in the olden days when I graduated school. Even back then, unless a person had something lined up right away AND worked during college to save up for a place with all the trimmings, home was where most went after school for about 6 months to a year. And back then, the expectation of the cost of a place to live was only 25% of the net paycheck for the month. Now it is 33%.
You're not sluffing. You are focusing on the Lord, and you are focusing on going out on your own. Considering those two things, you are exactly where you're supposed to be. And you will get out on your own.
I get it's frustrating. I get it's not where you planned to be by this age. But I'm seeing it from the other end of the path. I've done everything from cleaning the third floor of a not-air-conditioned frat house in the heat of August, (smelled like stale beer and urine), to counseling to copywriter to telemarketing to bookkeeping. I even had my own business before I became disabled. (Becoming disabled is what killed the business.) I've lived on Chef Boyardee with Little Meatballs donated by a company, because I couldn't afford groceries despite working 50 hours a week. (Only got paid minimum wage for 30 hours, but part of the deal was working 50 hours.) I lived on press ham sandwiches and popcorn (and I seriously mean that's all I had for food) for a whole summer. When my husband became disabled too, we lived on $839 a month with a $550 mortgage for nine months. (Utilities averaged $350 too.)
Trust this -- the Lord will see you through no matter what happens financially. He promised to take care of his kids, and he does in amazing ways. This per-diem annoyance you have at the moment will become part of a rich tapestry of watching how the Lord is working out things in your life. Keep on keeping on, and I promise the Lord will be there to keep you keeping on. Don't take my word on this. Take his word on it!
I want to know. Really, really want to know!
When I became disabled, I asked. And he actually answered me on that one. He said, "Why not you?" Truthfully, it cracked me up, because I'm not Job, so why not me? lol
But Job, who was a righteous man of God, never did get a direct answer. He did, however get a very long, thorough answer that satisfied him too. Because he's God!
I can't tell you why some people get the crappy end of the stick. I can tell you that nothing happens without God's say-so, as proved by the Book of Job. And, ultimately, all things work for the good of those who love the Lord and are called to his purposes.
You, sir? YOU are 27 and still living at home. That ain't bad in this day and age. The cost-of-living and the cost of education has increased at such a rate that it is not like back in the olden days when I graduated school. Even back then, unless a person had something lined up right away AND worked during college to save up for a place with all the trimmings, home was where most went after school for about 6 months to a year. And back then, the expectation of the cost of a place to live was only 25% of the net paycheck for the month. Now it is 33%.
You're not sluffing. You are focusing on the Lord, and you are focusing on going out on your own. Considering those two things, you are exactly where you're supposed to be. And you will get out on your own.
I get it's frustrating. I get it's not where you planned to be by this age. But I'm seeing it from the other end of the path. I've done everything from cleaning the third floor of a not-air-conditioned frat house in the heat of August, (smelled like stale beer and urine), to counseling to copywriter to telemarketing to bookkeeping. I even had my own business before I became disabled. (Becoming disabled is what killed the business.) I've lived on Chef Boyardee with Little Meatballs donated by a company, because I couldn't afford groceries despite working 50 hours a week. (Only got paid minimum wage for 30 hours, but part of the deal was working 50 hours.) I lived on press ham sandwiches and popcorn (and I seriously mean that's all I had for food) for a whole summer. When my husband became disabled too, we lived on $839 a month with a $550 mortgage for nine months. (Utilities averaged $350 too.)
Trust this -- the Lord will see you through no matter what happens financially. He promised to take care of his kids, and he does in amazing ways. This per-diem annoyance you have at the moment will become part of a rich tapestry of watching how the Lord is working out things in your life. Keep on keeping on, and I promise the Lord will be there to keep you keeping on. Don't take my word on this. Take his word on it!
I've read the book of Job. I get what you're saying. I'm going to have to respectfully disagree about the part saying I'm exactly where I should be, though. Sometimes being at home isn't the best case scenario. I refer you back to a spouse living in an abusive environment. Although none of that is going on here, it's definitely holding me back in many areas, including spiritually. I don't really feel like putting my whole personal history out there as to why this isn't a good situation.