Romans 7

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Noblemen

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In leau of the subject of nature's we have been discussing, I believe Romans 7 to be the most eye opening book in the bible.
Prerequisites to understanding Romans 7; I would point out that the believer also must keep in mind when studying Romans 7, that from the onset of creation you're Father's desire has been to have a nature to nature, face to face, one to one, relationship with His very own offspring.
This means there is a birthing relationship because nature only comes through a birthing.

Confirmation of this is: Hebrews 1:5
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

The last line declares and describes a nature to nature, face to face relationship.
I will be to him/her a Father, and he/she shall be to me a son/daughter.
Also look at John 3:6
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Ok with that in mind turn your bibles to Romans chapter 7 and read the first few verses.
It is quite obvious that a union was brought about by Adam sin.
That union was between the woman* (soul-mind) and the husband (sin-nature), the scriptures call it a marriage.
Paul uses the law to show there is no change in the marriage relationship without a death.
If there was a death, the death of the old man (sin-nature) in this case, she (soul-mind) was free to marry another, even Christ.
It should be pointed out that a physical death did not separate the two.
It took a very special death to bring about the death and dissolve this Union, to Bringing about a brand new marriage Union Oneness nature to nature relationship.
So the old man is Dead, As Dead As Christ was dead on the cross.
So what is happening in the rest of Romans now Paul is describing the woman (soul mind) still dealing with the spooks of the past marriage relationship.
Many have dissected the book of Romans and many wonderful thoughts have come about, but the fact of the matter is Paul starts out telling us how to read the entire book of Romans 7.
 
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Ralph-

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#2
In leau of the subject of nature's we have been discussing, I believe Romans 7 to be the most eye opening book in the bible.
Prerequisites to understanding Romans 7; I would point out that the believer also must keep in mind when studying Romans 7, that from the onset of creation you're Father's desire has been to have a nature to nature, face to face, one to one, relationship with His very own offspring.
This means there is a birthing relationship because nature only comes through a birthing.

Confirmation of this is: Hebrews 1:5
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

The last line declares and describes a nature to nature, face to face relationship.
I will be to him/her a Father, and he/she shall be to me a son/daughter.
Also look at John 3:6
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Ok with that in mind turn your bibles to Romans chapter 7 and read the first few verses.
It is quite obvious that a union was brought about by Adam sin.
That union was between the woman* (soul-mind) and the husband (sin-nature), the scriptures call it a marriage.
Paul uses the law to show there is no change in the marriage relationship without a death.
If there was a death, the death of the old man (sin-nature) in this case, she (soul-mind) was free to marry another, even Christ.
It should be pointed out that a physical death did not separate the two.
It took a very special death to bring about the death and dissolve this Union, to Bringing about a brand new marriage Union Oneness nature to nature relationship.
So the old man is Dead, As Dead As Christ was dead on the cross.
So what is happening in the rest of Romans now Paul is describing the woman (soul mind) still dealing with the spooks of the past marriage relationship.
Many have dissected the book of Romans and many wonderful thoughts have come about, but the fact of the matter is Paul starts out telling us how to read the entire book of Romans 7.
Romans 7 - walking outside the power of the Spirit

Romans 8 - walking in the power of the Spirit

The former brings condemnation. The latter does not.
 

Noblemen

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Romans 7 - walking outside the power of the Spirit

Romans 8 - walking in the power of the Spirit

The former brings condemnation. The latter does not.
Absolutely, the sin nature of Romans7 brought condemnation to the believer.
The new creture with the new Christ in you nature brings freedom from condemnation.
That is how our Father sees us, I know that some Christians still live with condemnation, so a good way to look at Romans 8 is; in Christ with knowledge, the believer needs to know (revealed) they are in Christ.
 

Adstar

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In leau of the subject of nature's we have been discussing, I believe Romans 7 to be the most eye opening book in the bible.
Prerequisites to understanding Romans 7; I would point out that the believer also must keep in mind when studying Romans 7, that from the onset of creation you're Father's desire has been to have a nature to nature, face to face, one to one, relationship with His very own offspring.
This means there is a birthing relationship because nature only comes through a birthing.

Confirmation of this is: Hebrews 1:5
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

The last line declares and describes a nature to nature, face to face relationship.
I will be to him/her a Father, and he/she shall be to me a son/daughter.
Also look at John 3:6
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Ok with that in mind turn your bibles to Romans chapter 7 and read the first few verses.
It is quite obvious that a union was brought about by Adam sin.
That union was between the woman* (soul-mind) and the husband (sin-nature), the scriptures call it a marriage.
Paul uses the law to show there is no change in the marriage relationship without a death.
If there was a death, the death of the old man (sin-nature) in this case, she (soul-mind) was free to marry another, even Christ.
It should be pointed out that a physical death did not separate the two.
It took a very special death to bring about the death and dissolve this Union, to Bringing about a brand new marriage Union Oneness nature to nature relationship.
So the old man is Dead, As Dead As Christ was dead on the cross.
So what is happening in the rest of Romans now Paul is describing the woman (soul mind) still dealing with the spooks of the past marriage relationship.
Many have dissected the book of Romans and many wonderful thoughts have come about, but the fact of the matter is Paul starts out telling us how to read the entire book of Romans 7.
Romans 7 was for me a critical chapter in the Bible that helped me understand the full extent of the Grace of God..

Reading it was a critical time in my Seeking when i was reading the Bible for the first time in my early 20's :D
 

Noblemen

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Jan 14, 2018
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Romans 7 was for me a critical chapter in the Bible that helped me understand the full extent of the Grace of God..

Reading it was a critical time in my Seeking when i was reading the Bible for the first time in my early 20's :D
Thank you, the grace of God has been so mishandled and interpreted. man does not know what to believe.
The grace of God far extended someone just trying to justify their lifestyle.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Romans 7 is crucial, we have too all know. Even though we are saved,,, We still have the flesh, And the flesh is apposed to God. It will fight you in many areas. It is only by Christ,. And by grace where we can find victory. Apart from grace we would all be defeated, and taken out of our ability to be used by God, or fooled and not even be available to God, but are still lost in the world.
 

FlyingDove

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Emblem: a symbolic representation of a particular quality or concept.

When you publicly undertake the Emblem/symbolic representation of water baptism. Where you die to self, are emmersed (buried emblem) & rise up (resurrection emblem).

Romans 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
(NOTE: Once you've died to self & have been raised in the resurrection power of Christ. You can now bring forth GOOD FRIUT unto God)

John 12:24 Jesus said; Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground & die, "it abideth alone": "but if it die" "it bringeth forth much fruit"

Believers are unable to produce good fruit until they have partaken in water baptism.