Adam or Able the first apostle?

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Adam or Abel as that seen the first apostle?

Apostle a word when defined with no other outside extra meaning attached means "one sent" Sent with the good news of another (God not seen) the gospel in a nutshell or at least according to this nutshell. . It would seem when Abel as one sent by God as a work of the faith of God putting his words on Abel's tongue spoke of the gospel it caused his brother Cain who walked by sight, as in out of sight, out of mind ...slew his brother as the mark (666) of the antichrist.

The mark of a restless wanderer, always looking behind never entering the Sabbath rest we have in Christ, as did Abel his brother..who blood still cries out as a witness to the faith he had in God.

And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.(something only Christ could bear) Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark (666) upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill himGen 4:8

The mark protected them from killing him, the mark meaning they would be considered as dead also .The punishment did not let up.
 
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garee said:
Adam or Abel as that seen the first apostle?

Apostle a word when defined with no other outside extra meaning attached means "one sent" Sent with the good news of another (God not seen) the gospel in a nutshell or at least according to this nutshell. . It would seem when Abel as one sent by God as a work of the faith of God putting his words on Abel's tongue spoke of the gospel it caused his brother Cain who walked by sight, as in out of sight, out of mind ...slew his brother as the mark (666) of the antichrist.

The mark of a restless wanderer, always looking behind never entering the Sabbath rest we have in Christ, as did Abel his brother..who blood still cries out as a witness to the faith he had in God.

And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.(something only Christ could bear) Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark (666)upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill himGen 4:8

The mark protected them from killing him, the mark meaning they would be considered as dead also .The punishment did not let up.
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my teaching on this passage is that able gave a blood sacrifice ,an animal to the Lord cain gave of the works of his own hand as he was a tiller of the land, God says that without the shedding of blood there can be on remission for sin as the blood offering was pointing to the sacrificial lamb of god the Lord Jesus
 
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Abel (Not Able, but it does make a good pun) Hebrews 12:24, Abel is the type of Christ.
Adam begat Seth at age 130. Jacob reunited with Joseph at age 130. There are 130 years that separate Abram age 75 from Terah age 205 when Abram buried Terah (Abram's father) even though the bible says at age 70, Terah begat Abram, Nahor and Haran.
Abel was chosen by God (Adam's 2nd son) as was Abram (the 3rd born) as was Jacob (the 2nd twin) as was Joseph (11th son on Jacob, first biological son of Rachael).
 
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garee said:
Adam or Abel as that seen the first apostle?

Apostle a word when defined with no other outside extra meaning attached means "one sent" Sent with the good news of another (God not seen) the gospel in a nutshell or at least according to this nutshell. . It would seem when Abel as one sent by God as a work of the faith of God putting his words on Abel's tongue spoke of the gospel it caused his brother Cain who walked by sight, as in out of sight, out of mind ...slew his brother as the mark (666) of the antichrist.

The mark of a restless wanderer, always looking behind never entering the Sabbath rest we have in Christ, as did Abel his brother..who blood still cries out as a witness to the faith he had in God.

And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.(something only Christ could bear) Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark (666)upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill himGen 4:8

The mark protected them from killing him, the mark meaning they would be considered as dead also .The punishment did not let up.
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Where in Scripture does it state that the mark on Cain had anything to do with "666"? Methinks you're speculating and thereby confusing the issue.
 
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garee said:
Adam or Abel as that seen the first apostle?

Apostle a word when defined with no other outside extra meaning attached means "one sent" Sent with the good news of another (God not seen) the gospel in a nutshell or at least according to this nutshell. . It would seem when Abel as one sent by God as a work of the faith of God putting his words on Abel's tongue spoke of the gospel it caused his brother Cain who walked by sight, as in out of sight, out of mind ...slew his brother as the mark (666) of the antichrist.

The mark of a restless wanderer, always looking behind never entering the Sabbath rest we have in Christ, as did Abel his brother..who blood still cries out as a witness to the faith he had in God.

And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him. And the LORD said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand;When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.And Cain said unto the LORD, My punishment is greater than I can bear.(something only Christ could bear) Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark (666) upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill himGen 4:8

The mark protected them from killing him, the mark meaning they would be considered as dead also .The punishment did not let up.
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cain was destroyed during the flood.
Destroyed in the flood The Lord ended the lineage or house of cain,.

From which all of Creation was given a promise.

A promise that only the beast of the sea and false prophet of the earth pervert.
 
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Adam or Abel as that seen the first apostle?
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Neither of these men was an apostle, so how did you come up with this misleading idea? According to Scripture there are only TWELVE apostles of the Lamb.
 
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Interestingly no age difference is given between the brothers just there natural assignment used to provide food for the family. Which I think can be used to help understand how we eat spiritually using a lamb as a clean animal in the ceremonial laws. They were shown as a parable to be used during ceremonial gatherings. As a shadow they pointed ahead to our suffering savior beforehand and the glory that did follow... the first resurrection of the saints that had been in the grave (the bosom of Abraham ) used typify the invisible presence as the hidden glory of God a temporal type holding cell until the trial of Christ .

Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1Pe 1:11

The promise of that glory that was in the old testament saints as it testifies below. Others today say the Holy Spirit was not given until Pentecost.Acts 2

Ezekiel 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

The fulfillment of the Ezekiel passage.

The time of reformation as the time Jacob's trouble of had come which was spoken of by the prophet/ apostle Jeremiah.

Jeremiah 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.

The old testament ceremonial laws performed there work as shadows pointing ahead to a suffering savor, the gospel of our salvation..

Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto manyMat 27:50

The younger like the apostle Abel most likely got the less desirable as to the odor of sheep . It would appear David was used in that way lessening the responsibility of the parents . He had seven brothers the parents retired ...LOL

When the Judge Samuel came to choose one as God choice as the new king the older brothers left David big mouth) out in the field as the one always making up new Poems like “the Lord is my Sheppard as sheep eventually leading us to Christ the Sheppard of our souls . Great atmosphere for the gospel to do it good works. Made smelling the Roses, picking cobble stones the easy work.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Neither of these men was an apostle, so how did you come up with this misleading idea? According to Scripture there are only TWELVE apostles of the Lamb.
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According to some of the private interpretation the number varies.

Some words seem to have lost their meaning to give sense to the author thoughts . Like the word disciple, prophet, prophecy and prophesy they are among the word apostle. Many have destroyed the meaning and made the apostles as a authority above that which is written in the law and the prophets as if God was served by human venerated hands .

Attaching new meaning to a word can change the direction of the author. We are warned not to add meaning to a word singular. In doing so it the new meaning can change the commandments plural. Some limit the word apostle to those who have seen the Son of Man.

Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you.Ye shall not add unto the word (singular) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it (singular), that ye may keep the commandments (plural) of the LORD your God which I command you. Deu 4:1

Scripture in the new testament explicitly mentions at least 28 men who God sent, as sent ones. Giving meaning to the word Apotle... sent one. The twelve were set aside to be used in parables to represent all the saints on this side of the cross Just as 12 tribes are used to represent all of the born again saints on the old testament side together making up one the bride the church . She is pictured coming down on the last day with her new incorruptible body.

Moses was no less an apostle sent by God with the word of God, prophecy.God performed that in order for those sent to prophesy or declare the gospel .It had nothing to do with them just as in the same way the Son of man declared his flesh profits for nothing. It is the Spirit of Christ not seen that does quicken a person soul giving us simply ones His understanding.

Not a understanding of the apostle (sent one) They just bring the grocery list as the food of God's will.


The disciples as students of the teacher (Christ) that did not walk by faith, but they looked to outward man in a hope that a true apostle has something to do with the flesh of any man there hope was destroyed when Christ said His flesh as that seen profits for nothing.

I have not heard one reason why all prophets sent with the words of God cannot be called what they are, sent ones(apostles) . Its how beautiful of the feet( not their mouths) of those sent they have been washed with the water of the word, the gospel of salvation..

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.Rom 10:15

The faith of Christ does not come by looking at the feet of those sent.
 
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