Should we be sin conscience or conscience of our right standing to GOD?

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Where do you stand on the question of forgiveness?

  • I believe a person needs to ask for forgiveness one time.

    Votes: 6 40.0%
  • I believe a person needs to ask forgiveness from GOD more than once.

    Votes: 6 40.0%
  • Other,I will explain.

    Votes: 3 20.0%

  • Total voters
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Dec 9, 2011
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#1
When we all got saved,we confessed our sin.I believe that confession needs to be one time because after salvation the spirit Is saved and sealed but when we repent after salvation,It should be toward our brother whom we might offend.Would you agree?
1 John 1:9
king James Version(KJV)

9.)If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
 

Nehemiah6

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#2
When we all got saved,we confessed our sin.I believe that confession needs to be one time because after salvation the spirit Is saved and sealed but when we repent after salvation,It should be toward our brother whom we might offend.Would you agree?
1 John 1:9
king James Version(KJV)

9.)If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
The verse should not be isolated from its context. So take a look at both chapters 1 & 2 and you will note that Christians must deal with their PRESENT sins [which means both asking for forgiveness and turning away from (repenting of) those sins].

As to the title of this thread, we need to be BOTH conscious of our right standing with God and conscious of our present sins.
 

Adstar

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#3
A person needs to Believe Jesus and Trust in the forgivness that Jesus secured for them on the cross..

God knows if you regret your transgressions against His Word..
 

OneFaith

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We need to ask for forgiveness more than one time because that’s the deal- if we confess our sins He will continue to cleanse us from all unrighteousness- so I think both sides of the deal need to continue.

“Work out your salvation with fear and trembling.”
 

Blain

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#5
I always ask for forgiveness but that is because I feel bad, I mean if you care about someone and you do something against them don't you ask for forgiveness?
 
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pottersclay

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#6
We're not sinners because we sin, we sin because we're sinners.

All have sinned and come short of the glory of God , knowing that should keep us humble, we are on a even playing field.
All saints have a past just the same as all sinners have a future.
Now if you offend a person any decent person would apologize, well if you offend God it would seem only more right to apologize.
It's not that you lose your salvation but you in fact hinder your walk.
 

know1

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When we all got saved, we confessed our sin.I believe that confession needs to be one time because after salvation the spirit Is saved and sealed but when we repent after salvation, It should be toward our brother whom we might offend.Would you agree?
1 John 1:9
king James Version(KJV)

9.)If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
I think you should take a closer look at that verse you just quoted.
If you only need to repent once in your life at the time of salvation, then why bother repenting of any offense toward a brother or sister, seeing that you are automatically forgiven for everything, forever?
Isn't it true, that God told us to forgive others so that He can forgive us?

Mar 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: [so] that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
Mar 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

What if we refuse to do so? Or like most people, let's say you need a cooling down period before you can forgive them. What happens in that interim period of being unjustly angry while holding a grudge because they did something you didn't like and you were offended?
Will God simply forgive us again, because we are automatically cleansed by the blood of Jesus?
It happens to all of us, and yet we are told to forgive them.
If we are forever cleansed and forgiven for all sins committed, past, present, and future, by the blood of Jesus, then we can ignore verses in the bible that tells us to do otherwise, with an, or else, attached to it.
If we don't need to repent of anything because we are forever forgiven, then there won't be any consequences if we hold a grudge against another person. Will God forgive us regardless of what we do, simply because we are His children?
I think not. Scripture clearly says contrariwise.
In regards to 1 John 1:9, if a child of God is automatically forever cleansed of all sin, then why does it say to repent and confess your sins, in order for you to be cleansed of your sins again, of all unrighteousness?
The above verse is not written to the unregenerated sinner, telling them how to receive salvation, nor it is written to the Christian to let them know that they have been cleansed of all their sins, for all eternity. No, this is written to those who have sinned AFTER they received Christ as their savior, telling them to repent of their newly committed sins so that they can be forgiven and cleansed by the blood of Jesus.
So to answer one of your questions, yes, I believe a Christian only needs to repent once of whatever sins they committed after they were born again, and God will both forgive and cleanse them by the blood of Jesus.
And all who see themselves as a sinner saved by grace, has a sin conscience or consciousness and do not have a righteous or right standing with God mentality.
As a man thinks in his heart, so is he.
And what a man thinks in his heart, is how he sees himself.
We who are born again, are not sinners, but the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.
We are righteous because He that is righteous is in us. As the scriptures say, our righteousness is not our own.
Indeed, Jesus is our righteousness.
At the same time, we need to repent of wrongdoings once, so that we can be forgiven of those offenses and cleansed by the blood of Jesus, and then God will once again restore us to fellowship.
 

EmilyNats

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#8
I also always ask for forgiveness. I get that God knows your heart, and knows when you're sorry. But this IS a relationship we are talking about. God knows our needs before we pray for Him to provide, but he still wants us to pray for it. Likewise, I think God likes for us to confess our sins to Him and ask for forgiveness.
 

Shamah

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#9
I believe we should be conscience of doing His will over everything else.
 

Adstar

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#10
We need to ask for forgiveness more than one time because that’s the deal- if we confess our sins He will continue to cleanse us from all unrighteousness- so I think both sides of the deal need to continue.

“Work out your salvation with fear and trembling.”
If this is true then woe to anyone who fails to ask for forgivness for one of their sins... Just one sin.. Miss asking forgivness for it and you are doomed...
 
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#11
The verse should not be isolated from its context. So take a look at both chapters 1 & 2 and you will note that Christians must deal with their PRESENT sins [which means both asking for forgiveness and turning away from (repenting of) those sins].

As to the title of this thread, we need to be BOTH conscious of our right standing with God and conscious of our present sins.
When I say forgiveness,I’m talking about how GOD looks at the person and I believe GOD forgave us and sealed us already at that point and when I say repenting towards GOD I’m talking about being conscience of your right standing to GOD and being ready to be more and more like JESUS as we walk but when It comes to our brother we need to ask for forgiveness every time we offend them.
 
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#12
I think you should take a closer look at that verse you just quoted.
If you only need to repent once in your life at the time of salvation, then why bother repenting of any offense toward a brother or sister, seeing that you are automatically forgiven for everything, forever?
Isn't it true, that God told us to forgive others so that He can forgive us?

Mar 11:25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: [so] that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.
Mar 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

What if we refuse to do so? Or like most people, let's say you need a cooling down period before you can forgive them. What happens in that interim period of being unjustly angry while holding a grudge because they did something you didn't like and you were offended?
Will God simply forgive us again, because we are automatically cleansed by the blood of Jesus?
It happens to all of us, and yet we are told to forgive them.
If we are forever cleansed and forgiven for all sins committed, past, present, and future, by the blood of Jesus, then we can ignore verses in the bible that tells us to do otherwise, with an, or else, attached to it.
If we don't need to repent of anything because we are forever forgiven, then there won't be any consequences if we hold a grudge against another person. Will God forgive us regardless of what we do, simply because we are His children?
I think not. Scripture clearly says contrariwise.
In regards to 1 John 1:9, if a child of God is automatically forever cleansed of all sin, then why does it say to repent and confess your sins, in order for you to be cleansed of your sins again, of all unrighteousness?
The above verse is not written to the unregenerated sinner, telling them how to receive salvation, nor it is written to the Christian to let them know that they have been cleansed of all their sins, for all eternity. No, this is written to those who have sinned AFTER they received Christ as their savior, telling them to repent of their newly committed sins so that they can be forgiven and cleansed by the blood of Jesus.
So to answer one of your questions, yes, I believe a Christian only needs to repent once of whatever sins they committed after they were born again, and God will both forgive and cleanse them by the blood of Jesus.
And all who see themselves as a sinner saved by grace, has a sin conscience or consciousness and do not have a righteous or right standing with God mentality.
As a man thinks in his heart, so is he.
And what a man thinks in his heart, is how he sees himself.
We who are born again, are not sinners, but the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.
We are righteous because He that is righteous is in us. As the scriptures say, our righteousness is not our own.
Indeed, Jesus is our righteousness.
At the same time, we need to repent of wrongdoings once, so that we can be forgiven of those offenses and cleansed by the blood of Jesus, and then God will once again restore us to fellowship.
Our spirits were made perfect by GOD and sealed so then we don’t have to continually ask for forgiveness towards GOD because we were forgiven by GOD once and forever but when you say apologizing,I agree 100%.
Now when It comes to our brother though,we need to ask for forgiveness every time we offend them.
 
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#13
I also always ask for forgiveness. I get that God knows your heart, and knows when you're sorry. But this IS a relationship we are talking about. God knows our needs before we pray for Him to provide, but he still wants us to pray for it. Likewise, I think God likes for us to confess our sins to Him and ask for forgiveness.
Adstar gave an excellent response In post#10 that I think Is fitting for your post.
 
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pottersclay

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#14
If this is true then woe to anyone who fails to ask for forgivness for one of their sins... Just one sin.. Miss asking forgivness for it and you are doomed...
If that were the case then we are all doomed. I think your missing the point here a bit.

The good news is Christ payed the price for your sins, the ransom has been payed, you are no more in bondage. God the Father has accepted the offering. How do we know that? On the third day as it was written Christ Rose from the dead.
I am pleased to announce God the Father is satisfied, in fact very pleased.
Now what part did we play in this? NONE .

For while we were yet sinners Christ died for us.

Now we sin because we by nature are sinners....we are not sinners because we sin. So John addresses this very clearly......when we sin know that we have a advocate
Christ Jesus.

John also addresses his following as little children is this because he was some what Superior to them? No he also included himself in that discription to remind us of the relationship we have with God.

God's message to us all are that we are in need of a savior, that all of us have sinned and are ear marked for death. And that God himself has provided a means of escape. Christ Jesus.

The closer we draw to God the closer he draws to us. We will find fault in ourselves, our thinking, our hearts, our giving, our speech.
God accepts us just the way we are. But loves us to much to keep us that way :D
 
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Seems those who are washed still need to wash their feet. I don't buy into the foolish "new" grace false, truncated gospel of presumption "Pray one prayer then forget it."
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#16
All of our sin was future tense when Christ died. He died for them all. They are forgiven once.

However, as seen, we are to confess our sins, not only to God but to one another. We need it for healing and victory, Not to maintain salvation.
 
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Seems those who are washed still need to wash their feet. I don't buy into the foolish "new" grace false, truncated gospel of presumption "Pray one prayer then forget it."
:)Yes,pray all the time and talk to HIM all the time,HE Is there with you,but I'm saying that the person does not have to be asking forgiveness every time they pray but be conscious of your right standing to GOD and keep renewing your mind to be more and more like CHRIST as you walk.
 

stonesoffire

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#18
When we all got saved,we confessed our sin.I believe that confession needs to be one time because after salvation the spirit Is saved and sealed but when we repent after salvation,It should be toward our brother whom we might offend.Would you agree?
1 John 1:9
king James Version(KJV)

9.)If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
preacher spoke of our walk, and need for foot washing. Feet symbolizes our daily walk. At the end of the day, we could confess our failures as pointed out by Holy Spirit, then next day, mercies are new every morning. This is for the sprinkling of blood on our conscience. But, to me is before we see our oneness with Him. This will be moment by moment awareness of Holy Spirit, yet falling short of His glory, until we come to greater works.

Just something im seeing, not saying ive arrived. But my goals change as I see.

And my view as written could change too by new revelation. We do go from glory to glory.
 

posthuman

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#19
i have a friend who, maybe 2 years ago now ((?)) had been puzzling over this same question, or a very similar question -- he had come to the conclusion that going before God over and over for stumbling in the same sin in his life, asking for forgiveness, was effectively a lack of faith on his part, as though he hadn't believed God when he forgave the sin in the first instance, so that when he stumbled again, and looked for forgiveness again, his prayer which had been "Lord, please forgive me again" became "Lord, i know you have forgiven me, help me not to stumble again"

it was never lack of repentance or lack of confession for him ((as may be the immediate criticism)) but in his mind, it was firmly taking hold of the cross, purging doubt. my friend had been approaching God with the mind that he was unforgiven until he sought and received forgiveness, and came to see that as doubting whether God does forgive or not, so he saw it as becoming confident that the Lord is faithful to intercede for him -- not that my friend doesn't confess sin before God or repent, but he does so now with assurance replacing a sort of fear that he once had.

is this good?
 

EmilyNats

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Adstar gave an excellent response In post#10 that I think Is fitting for your post.
I never said it nullified one's salvation if they didn't pray for every specific sin. I don't pray for forgiveness because I feel like my going to heaven hinges on it. I do it because I love God and feel like he deserves for me to talk about these things with him. If you do something that upsets someone you love, as sin does with God, it is polite and good for the relationship when you admit that you were wrong and are sorry, even if they already know it and have already forgiven you. I do it in my relationships with people, and believe that God deserves at least as much.