Gods elects

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valiant

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Originally Posted by valiant

let God speak for Himself.

God's Choosing and Effectual Calling


Th 2:13-14 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, for that God chose you from the beginning unto salvation in sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth, whereunto He called you through our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.


Eph 1:3-8 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ: even as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before Him in love: having foreordained us unto adoption as sons through Jesus Christ unto Himself,according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved, in Whom we have our redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace, which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence.


Eph 1:11-12 in Whom also we were made a heritage, having been foreordained according to the purpose of Him who works all things after the counsel of his will; to the end that we should be unto the praise of His glory, we who had before hoped in Christ:


Rom 8:28-30 And we know that to those that love God all things work together for good, even to those that are called according to His purpose. For those whom He entered into relationship with beforehand (proginosko, NOT prooida) He also foreordained to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom He foreordained, them He also called: and whom He called, them He also justified: and whom He justified, them He also glorified.


2Ti 1:9-10 Who saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before times eternal, but has now been manifested by the appearing of our Saviour Christ Jesus, who abolished death, and brought life and incorruption to light through the gospel,


1Pe 1:1-2 tothe elect – according to God the Father entering into relationship with them beforehand, in sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.


Rom 9:15-16 For He says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.' So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God Who has mercy.


Rom 9:18-23 So then He has mercy on whom He will, and whom He will He hardens. You will say then to me, 'Why does He still find fault? For who withstands His will?' No but, O man, who are you who replies against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why did you make me thus? Or has not the potter a right over the clay, from the same lump to make one part a vessel to honour, and another to dishonour? What if God, willing to show His wrath, and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: and that He might make known the riches of His glory on vessels of mercy, which He before prepared unto glory.


Rom 11.7 Those who were chosen obtained it and the rest were hardened


Acts 13.48 As many as were ordained to eternal life believed
Where in your philosophy is man taking responsibility for his individual sin?
I have accepted God's philosophy. He knows all things and understands all things.

But in fact man does take responsibility for his individual sins. That is why he is condemned

If Calvinism is God choosing without man accepting his responsibility then there is no glory for God.
I am not talking Calvinism, I am talking Scripture, all of which was written 1500 years before Calvin. Who are you to say what brings glory to God?


If you are not elect according to the modern teaching of Calvinism then you cannot be saved and the grace of God the blood of Christ is of none effect no matter how bitterly you may seek it.
The Scripture says all who seek will find. But only those will seek whom God has chosen.


If you are elect then no matter how wicked you become you are still destined to be saved even against your will.
No one who is elect will BECOME wicked. They have to be elected because they ARE wicked.

So much spinning I'm getting dizzy.
So admit GOD is right. The you will have certainty.


You must get a lot of John 16:7-11 in your gospel.
The Spirit has His sovereign way. That IS the Gospel






 
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The shepherds chapel DOES NOT teach denial of the trinity, that is a lie, they teach Scripture verse upon verse line upon line, every thing they teach is from the Scripture, since you don't know Scripture you don't agree, you would rather hear mans word, they didn't like Christ teaching because it did not agree with there doctrine. God bless
I've never heard them deny the trinity. However, they do advocate the serpent seed doctrine. Those are the offspring they call the Kennites.
 
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Judas was drawn? Or was he chosen EG? The prophets wrote about the betrayal. Judas was the one they wrote of. Foreknown.
Many are drawn, few are chosen. Thats the way I see it, I could be wrong.
 
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The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.[SUP] 2 Thes 2:9-10
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No. That doctrine is not scripture. It’s a gross distortion of the word of God. Nowhere does it say Eve had intercourse with Satan.
Did you know the word touch in Hebrew is naga and it means to lie with a woman, and the word beguiled in Greek is exapatao and it means wholly seduce, God didn't increase birth pains because eve ate a little green apple.
For the last few thousand years it wasn't important to know the mystery that was hidden since the beginning of this world age but since we are in the fig tree generation we need to know who the enemy is. God bless
 
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No one under the sun, who claims the name of Christ, should EVER espouse this horrible serpent seed doctrine. Yet, here we have it in our midst again.

Lord forgive us, because we have sinned against you as a nation.
 
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Eve said the serpent beguiled me, not had intercourse with me. Beguiled means to be deceived.

celib is twisting, using a Greek word, when its a Hebrew word.

The Hebrew word used is nasha'...
 
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Did you know the word touch in Hebrew is naga and it means to lie with a woman, and the word beguiled in Greek is exapatao and it means wholly seduce, God didn't increase birth pains because eve ate a little green apple.
For the last few thousand years it wasn't important to know the mystery that was hidden since the beginning of this world age but since we are in the fig tree generation we need to know who the enemy is. God bless
Nasha, not naga, is used in Genesis 3:13. Nice try to twist the word there, celib.
 
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so....is he or is he not?that is the question
 
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Nasha, not naga, is used in Genesis 3:13. Nice try to twist the word there, celib.
Some cannot hear the word seduce without thinking it has to mean sex. God didn't tell them both not to have sex with Satan, right? (Hate to be that frank but that is the gist of it when you look at their seed doctrine). Anyhow it was about the tree and fruit, not a warning about sex.
 
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Some cannot hear the word seduce without thinking it has to mean sex. God didn't tell them both not to have sex with Satan, right? (Hate to be that frank but that is the gist of it when you look at their seed doctrine). Anyhow it was about the tree and fruit, not a warning about sex.
Actually, the command was given to Adam first. I can see God saying "Now Adam, don't you go having intercourse with that serpent, okay?"

Why is he allowed to post this garbage on here?!?!?!?!?!?
 
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Actually, the command was given to Adam first. I can see God saying "Now Adam, don't you go having intercourse with that serpent, okay?"

Why is he allowed to post this garbage on here?!?!?!?!?!?
It's providential. Those who are concerned with sound doctrine and love his word will counter their errors.
 

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I haven't read a single writing of John Calvin. But I would ask if our Salvation is NOT unconditional, what condition must be met for us to receive it?

I am reminded of Abraham being put into a deep sleep when God made His covenant with him. That was a clear example of Unconditional election. Abraham was unconscious. There was NO condition he COULD have met. Only God made the promise, and He swore by Himself.