Gods elects

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Nehemiah6

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For those who are interested to know how God choose the elects, from the scripture, watch this video.
Why don't you give us the gist of what this video is about, and whether this "election" is the same as the Calvinistic unconditional election?
 
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Why don't you give us the gist of what this video is about, and whether this "election" is the same as the Calvinistic unconditional election?
This video is about how God choose his elects, I don't know anything about Calvinistic, I study from the Scriptures and this video is Scripture, watch the video and tell me if it's Calvinistic. God bless
 

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This video is about how God choose his elects, I don't know anything about Calvinistic, I study from the Scriptures and this video is Scripture, watch the video and tell me if it's Calvinistic. God bless
Murray's treatment and misrepresentation of scripture is an embarrassment. He has no idea what he is talking about.
 

Nehemiah6

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Murray's treatment and misrepresentation of scripture is an embarrassment. He has no idea what he is talking about.
Thanks for that clarification. I reviewed their Statement of Faith and some of their beliefs are expressed ambiguously.
 

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Thanks for that clarification. I reviewed their Statement of Faith and some of their beliefs are expressed ambiguously.
He's just another Calvinist who has no real grasp of scripture.
 
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This video is about how God choose his elects, I don't know anything about Calvinistic, I study from the Scriptures and this video is Scripture, watch the video and tell me if it's Calvinistic. God bless
I'm way too lazy to watch 54 minutes to find out if someone is or isn't Calvinist.
 
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He's just another Calvinist who has no real grasp of scripture.
And my opinion of you just dropped from 90% to 10% all in one sentence.
 

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And my opinion of you just dropped from 90% to 10% all in one sentence.
Well, I still consider you a friend. Is your change of opinion because you like Murray or is it simply because you choose to defend the doctrine of unconditional election?
 
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Well, I still consider you a friend. Is your change of opinion because you like Murray or is it simply because you choose to defend the doctrine of unconditional election?
Because of this.
He's just another Calvinist who has no real grasp of scripture.
You just said Calvinists have no real grasp of scripture.

You really need to learn how to be friends better. It's as if "my opinion is so much more important than anyone else about anything else." And that's all it is to you -- your almighty opinion.
 

Nehemiah6

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You just said Calvinists have no real grasp of scripture.
What he meant is that Calvinists have a DISTORTED grasp of Scripture. Most of the participants here do not accept Five Point Calvinism as a true presentation of the Gospel.
 

Nehemiah6

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You really need to learn how to be friends better. It's as if "my opinion is so much more important than anyone else about anything else." And that's all it is to you -- your almighty opinion.
This is rich coming from a very opinionated poster.
 

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Because of this.

You just said Calvinists have no real grasp of scripture.

You really need to learn how to be friends better. It's as if "my opinion is so much more important than anyone else about anything else." And that's all it is to you -- your almighty opinion.
You are right of course, my opinion is of no more value than that of Murray or anyone else. I suppose the question before us is what separates truth from mere opinion and how do we determine the difference? Can the doctrine of unconditional election be defended from scripture?
 
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You are right of course, my opinion is of no more value than that of Murray or anyone else. I suppose the question before us is what separates truth from mere opinion and how do we determine the difference? Can the doctrine of unconditional election be defended from scripture?
Are you kidding? Reformed. We believe nothing unless it's been proven through scripture. And we're the ones who wrote very long books over one concept from scripture.

Can it be proven? It already has been. Feel free to do the research. It's on the Internet.
 

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Are you kidding? Reformed. We believe nothing unless it's been proven through scripture. And we're the ones who wrote very long books over one concept from scripture.

Can it be proven? It already has been. Feel free to do the research. It's on the Internet.
So how would you begin to defend the doctrine of unconditional election?
 

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I do hope you will respond. I prefer to discuss with someone who can give a response, not to a bunch of dead guys. I know that much has been written in defense of this doctrine and I have read many of these works but still, these authors are merely offering a string of opinions on scripture. The Jews did the same thing to the Law of Moses and Jesus summed up centuries of their collective rabbinic opinions in one sentence - "You make the Law God of no effect." I would like to hear how you think scripture defends the doctrine of unconditional election. Since the Calvinist rely so much on Romans 9 to defend this doctrine perhaps we could look at this chapter together.
 

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So how would you begin to defend the doctrine of unconditional election?
1 John 4:19
We love him, because he first loved us.

Well, anyways that was the first thought that popped into mind upon hearing your question.
 

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1 John 4:19
We love him, because he first loved us.

Well, anyways that was the first thought that popped into mind upon hearing your question.
How does that translate to unconditional election?
 
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So how would you begin to defend the doctrine of unconditional election?
Nope. Not going to happen. Already told you you can find all the info online. And Celb gave a video. Not to mention this is your form of placating.

So you're saying we have no grasp of scripture, and yet, sure enough, you seem unable to grasp the scripture and beliefs we do have?

10% might be too high now.
 
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I do hope you will respond. I prefer to discuss with someone who can give a response, not to a bunch of dead guys. I know that much has been written in defense of this doctrine and I have read many of these works but still, these authors are merely offering a string of opinions on scripture. The Jews did the same thing to the Law of Moses and Jesus summed up centuries of their collective rabbinic opinions in one sentence - "You make the Law God of no effect." I would like to hear how you think scripture defends the doctrine of unconditional election. Since the Calvinist rely so much on Romans 9 to defend this doctrine perhaps we could look at this chapter together.
Hi, One of those dead guys is Christ and he is the author of the Bible, why don't you study that book, did you know there was an earth age before this one where satan rebelled? did you know that there was a judgment after the rebellion and satan was sentenced to parish.Eze.28, did you know everyone else was judged and some were found to be righteous. Romans.8, did you know that rather then destroy 2 third of his children God said let us make man in our image, and here we are trying to save some of those 2 third. Where in the Scripture does it say there are no elects? I would like to debate you on the subject from the Scripture, not what Calvin said or Murray said but what the Bible says. God bless