Prophets Amongst Us

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newton3003

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God has made prophets among us to convey His presence.

Everyone who is born is potentially a prophet. Jeremiah 1:5 says, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.” What greater passage in the Bible is there, to make the case against abortion? For we don’t know whom God designated to be a prophet, among those who are in a womb.

In that same regard, there are those among us who may be prophets in accordance with God’s Plans. Jeremiah 29: 11 says, “For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.” In that sense, it’s a strong reason not to commit murder without just cause, as it may interfere with God’s Plans, and whoever does so is effectively following other gods.

There will always be prophets among us, as Joel 2:27-28 says “You shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God and there is none else. And my people shall never again be put to shame. The Lord Will Pour Out His Spirit. And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy…”

It is God’s desire that His Word is spread to all nations and that His presence is made aware of among those nations, who are made up of people that through time had gone astray since the days of Babel, when they were spread out among the world with different dialects. 2 Chronicles 24:19 says, “Yet he sent prophets among them to bring them back to the LORD.”

Amos 3:7 says, “For the Lord God does nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets.” We should therefore be mindful of the lives we contemplate taking, and the people we contemplate turning away or putting out. For among them may be those who have been commissioned to work toward bringing the wayward back to God, and to advise the rest of us of the things to come. In the spirit of God, we should always strive toward being fruitful and to abide by God in righteousness, that our fields will always prosper, and our makings will always hold. And in the spirit of righteousness we strive to love others as we love ourselves and we give those around us the opportunity to live in fulfillment of God’s Plans.
 

Blain

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I do not have experience on the subject of abortion nor do I have enough insight and understanding of the subject to discuss and debate it but I don't think that God would allow his prophets to be in a positions where humans get to decide whether they are brought into this world or not.

In every part of the bible satan has tried in all kinds of ways to prevent God's prophets from doing their work but never once has succeeded. But a very good post and well written for that matter:)
 

miknik5

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God has made prophets among us to convey His presence.

Everyone who is born is potentially a prophet. Jeremiah 1:5 says, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.” What greater passage in the Bible is there, to make the case against abortion? For we don’t know whom God designated to be a prophet, among those who are in a womb.

In that same regard, there are those among us who may be prophets in accordance with God’s Plans. Jeremiah 29: 11 says, “For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.” In that sense, it’s a strong reason not to commit murder without just cause, as it may interfere with God’s Plans, and whoever does so is effectively following other gods.

There will always be prophets among us, as Joel 2:27-28 says “You shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God and there is none else. And my people shall never again be put to shame. The Lord Will Pour Out His Spirit. And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy…”

It is God’s desire that His Word is spread to all nations and that His presence is made aware of among those nations, who are made up of people that through time had gone astray since the days of Babel, when they were spread out among the world with different dialects. 2 Chronicles 24:19 says, “Yet he sent prophets among them to bring them back to the LORD.”

Amos 3:7 says, “For the Lord God does nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets.” We should therefore be mindful of the lives we contemplate taking, and the people we contemplate turning away or putting out. For among them may be those who have been commissioned to work toward bringing the wayward back to God, and to advise the rest of us of the things to come. In the spirit of God, we should always strive toward being fruitful and to abide by God in righteousness, that our fields will always prosper, and our makings will always hold. And in the spirit of righteousness we strive to love others as we love ourselves and we give those around us the opportunity to live in fulfillment of God’s Plans.
If they go beyond the apostles teachings they are not a prophet in GOD’s house
they belong in someone else’s house
 

miknik5

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The revelation of Jesus Christ is sufficient

anyone who goes beyond that has gone beyond that

2 John 1
 
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Hebrews 1:1-2

In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom also He made the universe.
 

Dino246

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Newton,
I think your heart is in the right place, but I suggest some more consideration. To echo Blain, I don't think for a second that God would allow His plans to be thwarted by sinful humans.

I also don't think that anyone who would seriously consider murdering a child (or adult) would care what God has to say on the matter. They probably don't recognize God at all, think their "rights" are more important, don't recognize the image of God inherent in every human being, and may not even think that the unborn child is a human being.

Further, I think that avoiding murder because a prophet may be killed is a poor argument against abortion... not incorrect, just really inadequate. There are so many better arguments!

Some of these better arguments are employed by Jeff Durbin in discussions with various people outside abortion "clinics" (see the Apologia Studios channel on YouTube).
 

miknik5

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Hebrews 1:1-2

In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom also He made the universe.
Wonderful post!
 

Blain

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Newton,
I think your heart is in the right place, but I suggest some more consideration. To echo Blain, I don't think for a second that God would allow His plans to be thwarted by sinful humans.

I also don't think that anyone who would seriously consider murdering a child (or adult) would care what God has to say on the matter. They probably don't recognize God at all, think their "rights" are more important, don't recognize the image of God inherent in every human being, and may not even think that the unborn child is a human being.

Further, I think that avoiding murder because a prophet may be killed is a poor argument against abortion... not incorrect, just really inadequate. There are so many better arguments!

Some of these better arguments are employed by Jeff Durbin in discussions with various people outside abortion "clinics" (see the Apologia Studios channel on YouTube).
I know that if I got Stephanie pregnant which I hope I never do I would not do abortion period, not because of the is it murder or not thing but because to me a life is a life even if technically it's not yet living . But Yes if God has a prophet in mind nothing will stop him even the verse he posted in the op describes this Jeremiah 1:5 says, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations key word appointed set into motion before hand pre determined and pre decided.

And I do agree that equating a possible prophet is not really sufficient for the case of abortion but abortion is of itself a very complex subject to pick apart
 

Demi777

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Uhm prophet or not...the life matters the same no matter if prophet, apostle,.... all are by God
 

stonesoffire

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Hebrews 1:1-2

In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom also He made the universe.
I heard a teaching that the words "to us by His" is added. That it should be in theses last days speaks Son. It sounds plausible to me. Haven't looked but am going to now that it's brought back to my mind.



OP, you said all are potentially prophets. To say this is to not understand the office of the Prophet. This is not all of us. We all should be prophetic, which is to flow in the giftings given. But, a Prophet will be called out. Recognized in the body or fellowship where he belongs as a prophet. And will have known a special call in youth.
 

stonesoffire

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The revelation of Jesus Christ is sufficient

anyone who goes beyond that has gone beyond that

2 John 1
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A prophet will speak to the body as to particular calls to the individual. Or will be sent to one in a special need. And even speak of a future event in ones life.

But, preaching should always be revelation of Jesus, faith, or whatever Holy Spirit wants to reveal to His own. And that's just not prophets.
 

Blain

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Not to take the topic of the thread off the rails but not a lot of people seem to understand what the office and role of the prophet is. Many think they are the thus saith the Lord kind of people or the ones who see and speak of future events or that they will give a supposed prophecy but what many fail to understand is that there is a difference between the gift of prophecy and the office of a prophet.

They also must consider the types of prophets from both the ot and the nt because in the ot and nt prophets had different roles. In the ot they were indeed the very mouth of God himself and they would be the ones people went to to hear thus saith the Lord and yes at times they received visions and prophecies that they alone would receive from God and it would be unwise to not listen to them but back then since they were the appointed mouth of God it was so severe if one claimed to be a prophet and yet wasn't that death was almost always the punishment.

But under the old covenant that is how it worked, under the new covenant however there is a distinct separation of the gift of prophecy and the prophet itself. The gift of prophecy is the one gift that Paul himself said all should seek and a study on what prophecy really is will show that it's not simply a gift that shows and reveals the future often times it's merely God speaking through someone whether that is from an unbeliever and it also can be from a dream and vision to a prophetic utterance that one didn't even know was prophetic and everything in between.

However the prophet's role in his new covenant is to be mouth yes but not like in the ot, a prophet may have dreams and visions but they are more used by him to help his sheep to grow and to filled with his life, they are the ones who build up and encourage they uphold and are able to touch others hearts and show God's heart and love in a way that only they can often times without even realizing they are doing it. For them their words have power in them and it just flows they don't even really have to think about it, this is not to say that anyone who encourages and upholds and builds up the church is a prophet but you will indeed know them by their fruits.

I myself know of several here in cc alone who I know are prophets and most of them are unaware of it
 
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7seasrekeyed

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If they go beyond the apostles teachings they are not a prophet in GOD’s house
they belong in someone else’s house

I sure do like what you have said here

this is not something many want to accept anymore and prefer experiences, extra-biblical so called revelations and goosebumps to the solid foundation of God's word
 

Blain

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I sure do like what you have said here

this is not something many want to accept anymore and prefer experiences, extra-biblical so called revelations and goosebumps to the solid foundation of God's word
I understand where you are coming from but I wanted to explain my own two cents about this. I agree that some can indeed go to far with experience and that feeling of surging but I also think that some disregard this aspect of God to much as well. I am someone who has indeed experienced this kind of stuff but I also am one who prefers balance. There is a spiritual and carnal aspect of the word of God and of the Christian themselves, the issue is if one goes to far with either they will completely disregard the other. I believe that one may experience the power and spirit of God in their lives but without a solid foundation of the word God then what you get is an overactive Christian spiritualist.

On the other hand if you stick only to carnal aspect of his word and disregard the spiritual then you get a only the written word kind of person who is not open to the spiritual at all and the Christian themselves are of the spiritual and because God is spiritual. I may not have explain this the best so I hope my point is understood well enough. Balance is key basically
 
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Which of you who say "no more prophets" have studied the multiple ministries of the prophets?

Which of you who say modern christians can prophesy, but still are not holding a prophetic "office",can prove this in scripture without parroting your favorite preacher?

Joel used all three ministries of the prophet: speaking forth, dreamers, & visions as the OT prophets did, and as NT prophets DO.

The book of acts shows several christians prophesying, and Paul's teachings to the Corinthian church confirms the prophetic ministry in the church, among several other ministries many refuse to believe in.

Now, which will you believe, man's words or God's?

BTW, don't even try to twist 1Cor 13:8 to excuse the lack of use of these ministries, because unbelief is the true reason.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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you know, I honestly don't think it matters much who thinks there are or are not prophets anymore

with all the fake prophets running around, I actually find that a bigger concern

I would pray to be kept from deception and to be led in truth by God's Spirit
 
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7seasrekeyed

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I understand where you are coming from but I wanted to explain my own two cents about this. I agree that some can indeed go to far with experience and that feeling of surging but I also think that some disregard this aspect of God to much as well. I am someone who has indeed experienced this kind of stuff but I also am one who prefers balance. There is a spiritual and carnal aspect of the word of God and of the Christian themselves, the issue is if one goes to far with either they will completely disregard the other. I believe that one may experience the power and spirit of God in their lives but without a solid foundation of the word God then what you get is an overactive Christian spiritualist.

On the other hand if you stick only to carnal aspect of his word and disregard the spiritual then you get a only the written word kind of person who is not open to the spiritual at all and the Christian themselves are of the spiritual and because God is spiritual. I may not have explain this the best so I hope my point is understood well enough. Balance is key basically
Blain I was referring specifically to the NAR movement (I didn't say that in my post though so how would know it? :))..the NAR is the New Apostolic Reformation and they believe they are going to usher in an earthly kingdom and their focus is on supernatural everything but you cannot find most of it in scripture. they are doing a good job of drowning out what is true but in my opinion, this is not going to last. they are going to fold and many things will come to light. that's my opinion. won't happen today or tomorrow though.

I've 'experienced' things myself Blain...but I don't talk about them here and I disagree with how the spiritual walk we have is talked about here...WOF and so on.

I agree with going too far in one direction or another and Paul said let everything be done decently and in order

many reject the Holy Spirit and many accept and are accepting a spirit that is not from God

this speaks to doctrines of demons in either direction IMO, and that is sure not going to win me a popularity contenst LOL!
 

stonesoffire

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I heard a teaching that the words "to us by His" is added. That it should be in theses last days speaks Son. It sounds plausible to me. Haven't looked but am going to now that it's brought back to my mind.



OP, you said all are potentially prophets. To say this is to not understand the office of the Prophet. This is not all of us. We all should be prophetic, which is to flow in the giftings given. But, a Prophet will be called out. Recognized in the body or fellowship where he belongs as a prophet. And will have known a special call in youth.
I looked. These are my words of course. God has uttered words that supercede time, space, order, the fixed position, I Am -Son.

So basically, he was right.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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I believe that one may experience the power and spirit of God in their lives but without a solid foundation of the word God then what you get is an overactive Christian spiritualist.
a great point...has been illustrated even in these forums and bears repeating

thx Blain
 

Blain

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Blain I was referring specifically to the NAR movement (I didn't say that in my post though so how would know it? :))..the NAR is the New Apostolic Reformation and they believe they are going to usher in an earthly kingdom and their focus is on supernatural everything but you cannot find most of it in scripture. they are doing a good job of drowning out what is true but in my opinion, this is not going to last. they are going to fold and many things will come to light. that's my opinion. won't happen today or tomorrow though.

I've 'experienced' things myself Blain...but I don't talk about them here and I disagree with how the spiritual walk we have is talked about here...WOF and so on.

I agree with going too far in one direction or another and Paul said let everything be done decently and in order

many reject the Holy Spirit and many accept and are accepting a spirit that is not from God

this speaks to doctrines of demons in either direction IMO, and that is sure not going to win me a popularity contenst LOL!
Oh I see, honestly I have never heard them before but they sound dangerous. There are actually a lot of spiritual hungry people out there and plenty of them are Christians and those kinds of people lack discernment and are drawn to such groups. Sadly though I think they will last because more than I would like to admit the spiritual fanatics are actually very very common within the church and this is why I am so concerned about the (supposed prophets) Or the ( spiritual teachers) because as I have said many times words have power and many who lack discernment will follow such people without question and it angers me how some of these alleged prophets and teachers so brazely do this without any regard to the damage they are doing to people.