DO WE REALIZE WE ARE IN A WAR? SHOOTING OUR OWN TROOPS - THE FAVORITE PASTIME OF SOME

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Waggles

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Re: DO WE REALIZE WE ARE IN A WAR? SHOOTING OUR OWN TROOPS - THE FAVORITE PASTIME OF

Stupid five minute rule.
So unfair to a two finger typist.
 

joaniemarie

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He also said PROTECT MY SHEEP FROM WOLVES WHO COME PRETENDING TO BE SHEEP. Half-truths do not help anyone.

And again., it goes back who are being called the wolves pretending to be sheep in this here scenario. Believing in the gifts for today does not make believers wolves., nor are they talking heresy here. And when believers disagree with each other on these matters., we are not to bite and devour one another. Jesus said to love one another as I have loved you. Instead of calling other brothers and sisters in Christ - wolves., there needs to be a call to agree to disagree.
 
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I agree with your statement. @Joanmarie


I believe all believes in the Lord Jesus Christ who came, died, and was rose again by God, have the holy spirit in them.
I believe that the gifts of the holy spirit are there for some individuals to be truly gifted in, (Tounges idk about that one),
but aside from that if someone believes that they do speak in tounges, ah the best thing to do is still love them either way regardless of how you may see or understand things by your own knowledge that you have.

because to what Jesus Christ has said. Love one anthor as I have loved you. Instead of bickering and backering over things, which leads to mindless rhetoric sometimes, and I have been involved in the matters sometimes myself.
 
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Re: DO WE REALIZE WE ARE IN A WAR? SHOOTING OUR OWN TROOPS - THE FAVORITE PASTIME OF

“For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord. “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts. “For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven, And do not return there, But water the earth, And make it bring forth and bud, That it may give seed to the sower And bread to the eater, So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it. “For you shall go out with joy, And be led out with peace; The mountains and the hills Shall break forth into singing before you, And all the trees of the field shall clap their hands. Instead of the thorn shall come up the cypress tree, And instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree; And it shall be to the Lord for a name, For an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off.”.

Seed to the sower and bread to the eater......wow.

The preparation for the gospel of peace is prayer. God's word is complete. Able to prick anyone's heart either to scorn or to believe.
Jesus always said I do that which the father tells me. Let his will be done.
How many of us go out in our own intellect, our own agenda. The word of the Lord can build or it can bring down. Always remember it is sent out for God's purpose not ours.
God has already proven himself, through the Creation, through history, through the conversion of a repented soul.
We tend to shoot our own as well as ourselves in the foot when we bring our own understanding into the picture.

As for God, His way is perfect; The word of the Lord is proven;.


Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths. Do not be wise in your own eyes; Fear the Lord and depart from evil.
 

miknik5

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I’m not sure it should be perceived as fighting.

If someone is offering incorrect info, they should be instructed and told not to do so anymore


the person being corrected might feel he/she is being personally attacked but for the well-being of the WHOLE BODY they must be instructed and told not to offer what isn’t written what isn’t true what isn’t correct regardless of how they feel after being told and instructed of their error
 

miknik5

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There is no safety in numbers.
Millions of people can be wrong and are.
And your proposition that some gifts are available but others are not is unscriptural and a denial of the gifts being (all nine) being freely available in proper disciplined Pentecostal churches obedient to the word of God.
The fact that Pentecostal churches uphold and validate Mark 16:15-20 plus numerous other scriptures concerning the first century Christian church and fulfilling all the scriptures of the NT from gospels to Jude - shows up how other faiths and doctrines are not the full gospel of salvation.

Ever since Constantine and Rome the full gospel has been denied and is still denied.
A salvation issue? Yes and know.
But I can tell you that the blessings, the miracles and the healings are manifold and abundant in Pentecost and so noticeably absent in other churches.
Hhhhhmmmm I think that tells us all something.

the full GOSPEL is JESUS

Nothing more
Nothing less

Everything else will cease

but HE remains

HE alone is our HOPE
 

Waggles

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A war is going on around us, though, and I suspect that many aren't aware of it. Why would they be spending hours arguing about non-essential Christian doctrine in a chat room, if they understood that?
I read that Sparkman wants to leave the CC site because he believes that spending time on CC is frivolous and time wasting.
People on CC are like soldiers in a war playing cards instead of fighting the battle.
Furthermore, we are exposing ourselves to a bunch of people who do not believe in essential Christian doctrine, and giving such a platform from which to spout their nonsense.

In the process they are exposing themselves to a bunch of people who DON'T believe in essential Christian doctrine while they are doing this.
Well that strongly implies that people on CC do not have the wherewithal to remain steadfast to their faith and reognize the postings of quirky or suspect doctrine.
Mind you though, I think we all had a lot of fun and some great jokes on the recent thread; "What If Man Was Created By Aliens Who Evolved?"
Anybody ceased being a Christian?

Then comes the insults that some of us are goats (!!) and errant Christians (that would be you).
For Sparkman is not just content to declare that he is giving up CC for witnessing to others in the real world but that he ...
I'm more convicted lately that I need to be focused on preparing my mind for addressing a sincerely seeking individual, rather than arguing with deeply entrenched goats or errant Christians.
Did you know when you engage with those who post errant doctrine and debate them you are spreading their nonsense to others?
I thought I and others did a good job at making fun of the alien thread. Would others believe in aliens are the God of the Bible through that thread?

Instead, we engage them here, and give them a forum. Individuals who have been on-site for years spreading their nonsense.
So apart from aliens who are these entrenched goats?
And who are these errant Christians?
Let's make a list; starting with ...

Anyways, I'm firmly convinced that it's a diversion of Satan to cause us to spend time addressing goats and errant Christians continually rather than being focused on the lost in the world. I'd much rather speak to some guy who is seeking reconciliation with God, than some hardened, errant Christian who is deeply entrenched in nonsense.
But you will also find that out in the real world when you start witnessing to people. People will argue and challenge you with all manner of doctrines and crazy testimonies as to how they have experienced God.


So for Sparkman it is one or the other - you can't do both. But I do both.
I enjoy spending time on CC in between other worldly chores and I also go out and preach the full gospel in the real world.
And even here on CC I can promote and defend the truth of Pentecostal Christianity against all them errant Christians.
Sparkman if you believe others to be errant or whatever then preach the gospel to them.
If they do not listen simply move on and preach to another.
A Christian internet forum is not the same as preaching one to one. It is a democratic chat site that invites all and sundry to come on board and chat to one another.
And CC certainly does not prevent me from talking to real people in the real world.
 
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Nehemiah6

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And again., it goes back who are being called the wolves pretending to be sheep in this here scenario.

Since you are generally unable to discern between sheep and wolves, it would be unprofitable to even discuss this with you.
Believing in the gifts for today does not make believers wolves., nor are they talking heresy here.

Waggles unnecessarily introduced spiritual gifts into this discussion. There are other critical issues where the wolves mislead the sheep. But he has this strange notion that Christians who do not accept that all the gifts are operational are preaching a false Gospel. The Gospel says nothing about gifts, other than the gift of eternal life. So essentially he went off on a Pentecostal tangent.
 

Waggles

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Waggles unnecessarily introduced spiritual gifts into this discussion. There are other critical issues where the wolves mislead the sheep. But he has this strange notion that Christians who do not accept that all the gifts are operational are preaching a false Gospel. The Gospel says nothing about gifts, other than the gift of eternal life. So essentially he went off on a Pentecostal tangent.
Not at all.
The OP is about the presence of entrenched goats and errant Christians on CC who spread their nonsense and influence others; and waste their time on this site.
Your rudeness and condemnation against joaniemarie shows that you agree with Sparkman and feel free to identify errant Christians who need reprimanding.

So if we continue the thread about entrenched goats and errant Christians on CC then I am well within my rights to voice my opinion as to who these are.
And I am free to say that errant Christians are those who deny the Spiritual gifts, preach Cessationism, and deny the validity of Pentecostal faith in our times.
As for entrenched goats it is obvious that they are those who deny the Bible evidence of speaking in tongues as the only sign of being baptized in the Holy Spirit. Sheep hear the voice of God, goats don't.

If Sparkman has the right to criticize others and call them names in this thread then we can continue the theme and all put in our two bobs worth as to who are entrenched goats and errant Christians.
And how we all waste our time being here on CC.
It is what the OP is all about afterall.
 

joaniemarie

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To Nehemiah, Whenever someone who answers you back trying to clarify what they actually "do believe" after they have been wrongly posted about or misunderstood or disagreed with., I noticed you say that we go off on some "tangent" when we post back or even don't post back.

For some reason you believe (as do a few others here on chat) that it is your calling / duty / mandate ...to correct mature Christians who have been in the faith for yeears. But not all of us here particularly agree with all of the things in the Bible the same as you do or your Christian denomination does. This is quite an amazing thing to be shocked over IMO since so many of us come from different countries and cities and states and Bible believing back rounds and Bible teachings for all of us to be totally 100% in agreement would be impossible.


And this is even after many Christians have specifically and clearly made our beliefs known. Many Christians here are part of other well known and just as much born again Christian denominations as you and the others here. Many are born again sold out for Jesus Christians who believe in healing differently than your denomination., the Holy Spirit gifts for today., such as speaking in tongues and the healing ministries. Not everyone is going to be in total agreement on these matters.

Today I attend an Assembly of God church. Before that I went regularly to a Baptist church and before that I went to a Southern Baptist church., and before that a GARBC Baptist church. All are full of my brothers and sisters in Christ. I've found a church that also believes as I do in healing in the atonement as well as other ministries that differ from my Baptist leanings.

But the other churches also preached Jesus and Him crucified and the foundations were and are the SAME. I can fellowship with them just as well and would never call them heretics or wolves for not believing the same as I do in other matters.


But accusations get thrown out here daily and it's totally wrong because it's gossip and it's extremely prideful to want to lord it over other born again Christians.

It often goes into childish gibberish of; "your denomination is not as smart or as spiritual as me me me and mine mine mine...

Your denomination doesn't understand the Bible correctly like me me me.,and mine mine mine.

Your understanding of the Bible is in need of being just exactly like mine mine mine. And if your not like me me me you're either a foolish unlearned adult OR an out and out heretic bringing in damnable heresies.

The reason many of us who don't agree with you don't come back at you with such harsh accusation and ridicule is not because we are weak but because we understand you believe differently but that is ok. We know and have confidence in the Holy Spirit to teach you just as He has taught me and others and as He will be doing for the rest of our lives. He is able to lead us all into all truth as we seek Him and the truth in these Bible study forums.

But in the mean time., the silly me me me me me me attitude of no one can be different than me me me me and my denominational leanings is thee most childish and petty thing I've seen in a long time coming from adult Christians. Shooting other Christians is not new behavior I'm aware of this sad fact because I've seen it before with things as petty as the color of the new church carpeting or the new chairs being voted on.

I've seen churches split over who to hire as a pastor or who should be preaching while the pastor is away on vacation or who gets to be the song and worship leader. Such pettiness is all examples of the flesh at work and not the Holy Spirit and the Bible "teaching" as many involved in those silly childish church fights do totally and 100% believe.

 
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