What Is Romans 9 About?

[Depleted]

Oh but you're butting in when you're not familiarized with her initial attacks when I first joined. Sometimes myob is good advice. I'm completely aware of the hate, I was the one who received it, and, her dogging my steps mouthing from thread to thread since. I've generally just ignored her.

Ummm, got the same thing when she first joined. Gave the same thing too.

You remind me of me with my oldest brother when we were kids. I knew the one and only button to push to get him riled, and kept pushing it. Then he'd be angry for days. I didn't give him time to calm down, before pushing it again.

1of calms down, IF you stop pushing the button. It takes her a while. (Months maybe?) But she does calm down. Unless you keep at it. Stop pushing the buttons.

 

[preacher4truth]

Not taking sides E.G. but those are two entirely different words .
Blessings
Bill

Exactly, the distinction and the lesson are very important. Tired of people pretending they knew something all along while their arguing proves they did not know.

 

[trofimus]

Exactly, the distinction and the lesson are very important. Tired of people pretending they knew something all along while their arguing proves they did not know.

I learned that such things are not worthy of my energy and time.

I did not read your convo and what is this conflict about, I am meaning it generally, now.

 

[preacher4truth]

Ummm, got the same thing when she first joined. Gave the same thing too.

You remind me of me with my oldest brother when we were kids. I knew the one and only button to push to get him riled, and kept pushing it. Then he'd be angry for days. I didn't give him time to calm down, before pushing it again.

1of calms down, IF you stop pushing the button. It takes her a while. (Months maybe?) But she does calm down. Unless you keep at it. Stop pushing the buttons.

lol...my brother and I fought all the time!

Sister, been here a year, have had her on ignore almost the entire time since her initial attacking, and she still dogs steps even when I don't bother to respond, yep, for like a year.

So as far as me pushing buttons? Nope, sorry, you're incorrect, I've ignored her for the longest time.

Now what? I think just ignoring a person who continues to do this for that length of time is best. Seems prudent.

 

[preacher4truth]

I learned that such things are not worthy of my energy and time.

I did not read your convo and what is this conflict about, I am meaning it generally, now.

That's you, not me. To me this one was important.

 

[1ofthem]

You mean you know now that they are two different words altogether, claiming just a minute ago one of them was a typo. Neither were typos, they are two different words.

All these games instead of conceding you've been incorrect all this time.

I never said anyone censored God and still stand on that. If you really knew the two words back when you were accusing, you would have picked up on it immediately. Methinks (really, I know) you're making pretense here. You just discovered a new word, congrats!

People do censure God, that is a fact, and many here do it, including yourself, also EG among several others. It is the Romans 9:20 man personified.

Both of you were going on and on in total ignorance of these facts, even posting my responses completely clueless to the two different words, thinking I said "censor" all along.

Yep, fighting, arguing, incomplete ignorance instead of pausing to actually think for once. It's shameful really.

You're aware of this fact, correct, that this is what you were clearly doing, along with EG? You're also aware of the fact the Romans 9:20 man is also doing the same thing, correct, "censuring" God for his sovereign electing grace that is exclusive according to his purpose?

Or, are you going to still refuse correction as always? I don't think you're capable of receiving any to be honest, your mind is closed and blinded with such loathing and anger for me and actual facts you will not concede.

Kudos on catching my typo in this post...guess that means my grade just got cut more...

Anyhow, to make a long story short here...I do not believe anyone here is censuring God. I do think that there is a lot of censoring going on, though. You know taking one or two verses and leaving out the rest.

So yeah, I'll be honest...I may have thought you were talking about censoring God to start with...I'll have to go back and look at my original post.

But the fact remains, there is a whole lot of censoring going on...well in my opinion, anyways...

I was wanting to see all the verses discussed from each side on this, but don't look like that is going to ever happen so I'm not holding my breath on it...

 

[preacher4truth]

1ofthem, my apologies, but I've learned it is just best to keep you on ignore and you're going back there. You've earned it.

Your track record of a year dogging my steps is a long time for such an effort. I see your snide comments when others quote you.

I won't engage you any longer. Hopefully you can find it in your heart to apologize for this long belligerency you've taken up against a brother. At this point there will be nothing profitable in engaging you. Romans 16:17 is there for just this thing and I'm obeying it.

I do hope God blesses you, and you grow away from this behavior.

Anyone who needs to insult me further for this, go for it, I expect nothing less.

 

[1ofthem]

1ofthem, my apologies, but I've learned it is just best to keep you on ignore and you're going back there. You've earned it.

Your track record of a year dogging my steps is a long time for such an effort. I see your snide comments when others quote you.

I won't engage you any longer. Hopefully you can find it in your heart to apologize for this long belligerency you've taken up against a brother. At this point there will be nothing profitable in engaging you. Romans 16:17 is there for just this thing and I'm obeying it.

I do hope God blesses you, and you grow away from this behavior.

Anyone who needs to insult me further for this, go for it, I expect nothing less.

Well, if you can see this post, then the same to you preacher...I hope God blesses you and that you grow away form this behavior. as well.

I should put you on ignore, but I won't because I never put anyone on ignore...so anyhow God bless you.

It is what it is, I guess.

 

[posthuman]

Sure he does because he thinks God sovereignly shows mercy to whoever He wants and they don't have to have faith in Christ.

My having faith in Christ is His mercy towards me! What, did i by my own cleverness come to have ears open to hear, a heart able to believe and trust??

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You're still ignorant. You probably don't even what censor even means.

And your proven a liar. Yet still blame shifting (its my fault) And unreliable in anything. I posted three times when you claimed people censored God. And yet. You deny it. You made your bed now sleep in it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

LOL..Don't beat around the bush...If you got something to say just say it...

And yeah I now what censor means and what censure means...Do you want me to write you a paper about it so you can grade it? You know anything you can do to distract from talking about scripture and keep hijacking this thread.

Well, you've talked me right into it...I'm game so let's play preacher.

Is thast what he is on about. Spelling?? Lol wow

 

[1ofthem]

Ummm, got the same thing when she first joined. Gave the same thing too.

You remind me of me with my oldest brother when we were kids. I knew the one and only button to push to get him riled, and kept pushing it. Then he'd be angry for days. I didn't give him time to calm down, before pushing it again.

1of calms down, IF you stop pushing the button. It takes her a while. (Months maybe?) But she does calm down. Unless you keep at it. Stop pushing the buttons.

Yeah, you and I went rounds to begin with. We clashed, but were able to work it out. I am glad that we did. I enjoy reading many of the threads and posts you make.

The situation between p4t is totally different, though. He would have you believe that I follow him around attacking him just because I don't like him, when in all actuality I only post to him when he is dogging others out and making personal attacks on them. I'm sorry, but I cannot stand to see anyone getting bullied. I have always stood up for others so I can't help but call him out on it, when I see he has made several posts of name calling and attacks to any poster.

It's probably not my place, but still I can't stand to watch the bullying and especially when there is two or three of them ganging up on one poster. Most people just try to look away, sweep it under the rug, just let him go, or pat him on the head for it...which is sad...but oh well, it is what it is.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Not taking sides E.G. but those are two entirely different words .
Blessings
Bill

I would agree, but he knew exactly what she was talking about,. He was just playing his games.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Kudos on catching my typo in this post...guess that means my grade just got cut more...

Anyhow, to make a long story short here...I do not believe anyone here is censuring God. I do think that there is a lot of censoring going on, though. You know taking one or two verses and leaving out the rest.

So yeah, I'll be honest...I may have thought you were talking about censoring God to start with...I'll have to go back and look at my original post.

But the fact remains, there is a whole lot of censoring going on...well in my opinion, anyways...

I was wanting to see all the verses discussed from each side on this, but don't look like that is going to ever happen so I'm not holding my breath on it...

It is a waste. Of time, time to put him on ignore, everyone seems to know what you were talking about but him,no, he knew..

 

[DevotiontoBible]

My having faith in Christ is His mercy towards me! What, did i by my own cleverness come to have ears open to hear, a heart able to believe and trust??

Then you must be a Calvinist. Here:
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...all-live-before-having-faith.html#post3426461

 

[preacher4truth]

Hmmm, God gave us faith, which is evidence of conversion, not the cause.

 

[garee]

Wrong. Faith is the source of being born again (Hab 2:4) not the other way around. You Calvinists have it backwards.

No one changed to begin with .His work of faith as the incorruptible seed is the source by which we can believe unto salvation. .It has nothing to do with Calvin .He is dead and no longer has any part with anything here.

You would first have to hear God before you can believe Him. He always does the first works of faith.

1Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

 

[garee]

Then you must be a Calvinist. Here:
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...all-live-before-having-faith.html#post3426461

Calvinist, Calvin is dead?

The just live by His work of faith.

God breaths spirit life into non life before the creature can believe or exercise what he hears and work it out. It is God who works in us to both will and do His good pleasure . Not Calvin.

If he takes away the spirit essence of life you end up with wifeless spiritless dust that cannot work to do anything.Faith must do its living work .

Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Calvinist, Calvin is dead?


The just live by His work of faith.

God breaths spirit life into non life before the creature can believe or exercise what he hears and work it out. It is God who works in us to both will and do His good pleasure . Not Calvin.

If he takes away the spirit essence of life you end up with wifeless spiritless dust that cannot work to do anything.Faith must do its living work .

Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Then your Hab 2:4 is "The just shall live before faith".

 

[Iconoclast]

If anyone is interested, here is a site you may want to look at. His points are very similar to mine. I did use some of his ideas in my own words at times and expanded those ideas. Enjoy.

“In Search of Truth,”
Analysis of Romans 9 and Calvinistic Arguments.

All of you that go to these bogus anti cal sites feed on falsehoods and heretical ideas...such as this one from your article that tries to suggest God is a respector of persons and has to learn about those he chooses...

Why does God draw near to some people, but not others? Why does God extend mercy and grace to some people, but not others? These verses clearly teach that penitent humility is the basis of God's choice. These are the people that God has chosen as the objects of His mercy. He could have chosen selfish, proud, cruel, wealthy, intelligent, or strong people, but instead, He chose humble people.