Who are the two witnesses/prophets in Revelation?
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Zec 4:11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
Zec 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
Zec 4:13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
Zec 4:14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
The two witnesses would have to be beings of some sort,which I do not believe they are angels,and not 2 men that dwell on earth at that time,but must be 2 men that are with God that come to earth to witness to Israel to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.
Mat 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
Mat 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
Mat 17:4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Mat 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
The two witnesses could be Moses,for he represents the law,and Elijah,for he represents the prophets,and all the law and prophets hang on the 2 greatest laws,love God,and love people,who appeared with Jesus,who represents the New Testament,and the two witnesses will turn the nation of Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,which by the miracles,and plagues upon people so they do not hinder them,and dying,and being resurrected,the nation of Israel will turn to the truth,which the Bible says,and all Israel shall be saved,and the Gentile nations will come together and rebel against God.
Zec 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
Zec 4:13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
Zec 4:14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
The two witnesses would have to be beings of some sort,which I do not believe they are angels,and not 2 men that dwell on earth at that time,but must be 2 men that are with God that come to earth to witness to Israel to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.
Mat 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
Mat 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
Mat 17:4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Mat 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
The two witnesses could be Moses,for he represents the law,and Elijah,for he represents the prophets,and all the law and prophets hang on the 2 greatest laws,love God,and love people,who appeared with Jesus,who represents the New Testament,and the two witnesses will turn the nation of Israel to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,which by the miracles,and plagues upon people so they do not hinder them,and dying,and being resurrected,the nation of Israel will turn to the truth,which the Bible says,and all Israel shall be saved,and the Gentile nations will come together and rebel against God.
Well I don't know really who they are, it's very likely they are in fact Moses and Elijah assuming they two witnesses are not based merely on not dying. The vision with the apostles Moses and Elijah on the mount of transfiguration is not one that a lot people tend to question. I mean he only took with him after six days Peter James and John and no one seems to question the reason this particular vision occured or why he only took those three. It's just my own thoughts here but what if say Moses and Elijah are being shown as the two witnesses in this and the fact that three out of the twelve apostles were there to witness this is actually symbolic? I mean there are twelve tribes, twelve different blood lines and only three were there to witness this event that I am pretty sure was more than God boasting of Jesus.
Rev 11:
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Two books?
verse 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy:
verse 7 they get KILLED
verse 8 their bodies lie in the street
verse 11 they stand upon their feet;
WOW! What a couple of weird books
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Two books?
verse 6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy:
verse 7 they get KILLED
verse 8 their bodies lie in the street
verse 11 they stand upon their feet;
WOW! What a couple of weird books
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Zechariah 4:1-14, “And the messenger who was speaking to me came back and woke me up as a man is awakened from sleep. And he said to me, “What do you see?” So I said, “I have looked, and see: a lampstand all of gold with a bowl on top of it, and on the stand seven lamps with seven spouts to the seven lamps. And two olive trees are by it, one at the right of the bowl and the other at its left. Then I responded and spoke to the messenger who was speaking to me, saying, “What are these, my master? And the messenger who was speaking to me answered and said to me, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my master. And he answered and said to me, “This is the word of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]to Zerubbaḇel (scorched Babel*), ‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ said [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]of hosts. Who are you, great mountain, before Zerubbaḇel? A plain! And he shall bring forth the capstone with shouts of “Favor, favor to it! And the word of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]came to me, saying, The hands of Zerubbaḇel have laid the foundation of this House, and his hands shall complete it. And you shall know that [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]of hosts has sent Me to you. For who has despised the day of small beginnings? They shall rejoice when they see the plumb-line in the hand of Zerubbaḇel. These seven are the eyes of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], which diligently search throughout all the earth. Then I responded and said to him, “What are these two olive trees, one at the right of the lampstand and the other at its left? And I responded a second time and said to him, “What are these two olive branches which empty golden oil from themselves by means of the two gold pipes? And he answered me and said, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my master. And he said, “These are the two anointed ones, who stand beside the Master of all the earth.”[/FONT]
“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Zerubbaḇel” is word #H2216[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]זְרֻבָּבֶל[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], zerûbbâbel, zer-oob-baw-bel', From H2215 and H894; descended of (that is, from) Babylon, that is, born there; Zerubbabel, an Israelite:—Zerubbabel.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Root word; H2215 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]זָרַב [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]zarab (zaw-raɓ') v., to flow away., [a primitive root], KJV: wax warm.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Brown-Driver-Briggs' Hebrew Definition: Original: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]זרב[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Transliteration: Zarab, Phonetic: zaw-rab', Definition: 1. (Pual) to dry up, be warmed, be burned, be scorched, Origin: a primitive root, TWOT entry: 578, Part(s) of speech: Verb [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Root word; H894 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]בָּבֶל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Babel (baw-ɓel') n/l., 1. (meaning) mass confusion (i.e. from so many mixed-up languages)., 2. (location) Babel, the city and tower of Nimrod's kingdom in the land of Shinar (where Yahweh confused the language). Babel was in a region not far from the original location of Eden., 3. (location) Babylon (Babel), including Babylonia and the Babylonian empire., 4. (group) the Babylonians., 5. (person) Babylon, the Great Prostitute. She is a fallen spiritual principality awaiting her tribunal judgment, seeking total domination of this realm by vice and conquest. [from H1101], KJV: Babel, Babylon. , Root(s): H1101 [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 17:3-4, “And see, Mosheh and Ěliyahu appeared to them, talking with Him. And Kĕpha answering, said to [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “Master, it is good for us to be here. If You wish, let us make here three booths: one for You, one for Mosheh, and one for Ěliyahu.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 11:3-13, “And I shall give unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clad in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees (Eze 4:3) and the two lampstands that are standing before the Mighty One of the earth. And if anyone wishes to harm them, fire comes out from their mouth and consumes their enemies. And if anyone wishes to harm them, he has to be killed in that way. These possess authority to shut the heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy. And they possess authority over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they wish. And when they have ended their witness, the beast coming up out of the pit of the deep shall fight against them, and overcome them, and kill them, and their dead bodies lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Seḏom and Mitsrayim, where also our Master was impaled, and some of the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations see their dead bodies for three and a half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be placed into tombs, and those dwelling on the earth rejoice over them and exult. And they shall send gifts to each other, because these two prophets tortured those dwelling on the earth. And after the three and a half days a spirit of life from YHWH entered into them, and they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. And they heard a loud voice from the heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up into the heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. And in that hour there came to be a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. And in the earthquake seven thousand men were killed, and the rest became afraid and gave esteem to the Mighty One of the heaven.”[/FONT]
“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Zerubbaḇel” is word #H2216[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]זְרֻבָּבֶל[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], zerûbbâbel, zer-oob-baw-bel', From H2215 and H894; descended of (that is, from) Babylon, that is, born there; Zerubbabel, an Israelite:—Zerubbabel.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Root word; H2215 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]זָרַב [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]zarab (zaw-raɓ') v., to flow away., [a primitive root], KJV: wax warm.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Brown-Driver-Briggs' Hebrew Definition: Original: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]זרב[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], Transliteration: Zarab, Phonetic: zaw-rab', Definition: 1. (Pual) to dry up, be warmed, be burned, be scorched, Origin: a primitive root, TWOT entry: 578, Part(s) of speech: Verb [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Root word; H894 [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]בָּבֶל [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Babel (baw-ɓel') n/l., 1. (meaning) mass confusion (i.e. from so many mixed-up languages)., 2. (location) Babel, the city and tower of Nimrod's kingdom in the land of Shinar (where Yahweh confused the language). Babel was in a region not far from the original location of Eden., 3. (location) Babylon (Babel), including Babylonia and the Babylonian empire., 4. (group) the Babylonians., 5. (person) Babylon, the Great Prostitute. She is a fallen spiritual principality awaiting her tribunal judgment, seeking total domination of this realm by vice and conquest. [from H1101], KJV: Babel, Babylon. , Root(s): H1101 [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matthew 17:3-4, “And see, Mosheh and Ěliyahu appeared to them, talking with Him. And Kĕpha answering, said to [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “Master, it is good for us to be here. If You wish, let us make here three booths: one for You, one for Mosheh, and one for Ěliyahu.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 11:3-13, “And I shall give unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clad in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees (Eze 4:3) and the two lampstands that are standing before the Mighty One of the earth. And if anyone wishes to harm them, fire comes out from their mouth and consumes their enemies. And if anyone wishes to harm them, he has to be killed in that way. These possess authority to shut the heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy. And they possess authority over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they wish. And when they have ended their witness, the beast coming up out of the pit of the deep shall fight against them, and overcome them, and kill them, and their dead bodies lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Seḏom and Mitsrayim, where also our Master was impaled, and some of the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations see their dead bodies for three and a half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be placed into tombs, and those dwelling on the earth rejoice over them and exult. And they shall send gifts to each other, because these two prophets tortured those dwelling on the earth. And after the three and a half days a spirit of life from YHWH entered into them, and they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. And they heard a loud voice from the heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up into the heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. And in that hour there came to be a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. And in the earthquake seven thousand men were killed, and the rest became afraid and gave esteem to the Mighty One of the heaven.”[/FONT]
The Gospel is EVERY Word that proceeds out of the mouth of GOD. The Gospel is the Word of God. Jesus is the Word of God and Jesus IS the Gospel.
The two Witnesses are the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures. The testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy; Rev 19:10)
They are dead because no one will BELIEVE them anymore or those who proclaim their message
The two Witnesses are the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures. The testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy; Rev 19:10)
They are dead because no one will BELIEVE them anymore or those who proclaim their message
I think the two witnesses will be Elijah and Moses:
(1) Because of the correspondence of the miracles done in Revelation and what these prophets did in the OT
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
(Elijah)
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy (Elijah): and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will (Moses).
(2) These were the two on the Mount of Transfiguration
(3) Elijah did not die and Moses' place of burial was uncertain and hidden by God
(4) They are both mentioned by name in the last three verses of the OT
Malachi 4:
Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.[SUP]5 [/SUP]Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
The NT does say that John the Baptist was "Elijah", but it is also true that when John was asked if he was Elijah - he said "No". I think John the Baptist came in the spirit of Elijah, but this prophecy yet awaits a final fulfillment.
(5) If the church is taken out at the rapture, how will there by any people saved. God's plan is to sent back Moses and Elijah (literally) to begin a revival. How better would you capture the attention of the Jews than to have Moses appear?
Is this a guess? Of course! But there is good Biblical evidence to support the guess.
(1) Because of the correspondence of the miracles done in Revelation and what these prophets did in the OT
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
(Elijah)
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy (Elijah): and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will (Moses).
(2) These were the two on the Mount of Transfiguration
(3) Elijah did not die and Moses' place of burial was uncertain and hidden by God
(4) They are both mentioned by name in the last three verses of the OT
Malachi 4:
Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.[SUP]5 [/SUP]Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
The NT does say that John the Baptist was "Elijah", but it is also true that when John was asked if he was Elijah - he said "No". I think John the Baptist came in the spirit of Elijah, but this prophecy yet awaits a final fulfillment.
(5) If the church is taken out at the rapture, how will there by any people saved. God's plan is to sent back Moses and Elijah (literally) to begin a revival. How better would you capture the attention of the Jews than to have Moses appear?
Is this a guess? Of course! But there is good Biblical evidence to support the guess.
You can’t kill GOD’s WORD but you can kill those who are sent to hear witness and testify to THE TRUTH
Further, we, now on this present age as HIS WITNESSES have THAT WITNESS in us
however we are not allowed to let fire rain down from heaven to kill our enemies
So these two witnesses who testify of CHRIST since both the old and the New Testament point us to CHRIST are different from us and our ministry of reconciliation
they ARE allowed to kill those who reject the WORD
And these whom they destroy by the fire that comes out of their mouth...are these also figurative deaths?
And does that mean that Elijah figuratively killed the false prophets when he called fire down to destroy those men who were trying to kill him, figurative deaths also?
Further, we, now on this present age as HIS WITNESSES have THAT WITNESS in us
however we are not allowed to let fire rain down from heaven to kill our enemies
So these two witnesses who testify of CHRIST since both the old and the New Testament point us to CHRIST are different from us and our ministry of reconciliation
they ARE allowed to kill those who reject the WORD
And these whom they destroy by the fire that comes out of their mouth...are these also figurative deaths?
And does that mean that Elijah figuratively killed the false prophets when he called fire down to destroy those men who were trying to kill him, figurative deaths also?
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I would add to that the strange verse from Jude about the body of Moshe.
There must have been something unique about his death. Deuteronomy & Joshua record that he died, but was he buried?
Jude 1:9
But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”
There must have been something unique about his death. Deuteronomy & Joshua record that he died, but was he buried?
Jude 1:9
But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”