Communion 3 questions

[garee]

Communion necessary? How often? And Why?

Communion as part the new order government is a result of the time of reformation. As a shadow its points ahead to its fulfillment the wedding supper, This is when all have received their new bodies as the bride of Christ.

Like other ceremonial laws they represent a certain aspect of the gospel but are not subject to judgement and do nothing to make us complete or prefect.. They govern the ceremonies used as shadows of the true unseen alone and are not moral laws they are treated as the Sabbaths.

If a person does not have a proper understanding of purpose of the ceremonial laws then it would be better for them no to take the cup or eat the bread.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

It a shadow of the Lord death not the substance .If we would eat or drink as if it was the substance (the unseen Spirit) then we would be of the body and blood of the Lord by misrepresenting it as if it was not a shadow.

1Co 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
1Co 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.



It like the old tesememt cerimoinail laws

 

[hornetguy]

Ahwatukee you say "the truth is not needed for salvation" every time butcher the bible. rapture for example . everyone in Christianity is doing it.

during the tribulation they will fall because of it. God will make sure of it .God is against it !

Man.... you're just not making any sense here.....

Random, generic "truisms" being thrown into a specific discussion is generally not helpful.

I haven't seen anybody teaching "half-truths" here, if that's what you are trying to say...

 

[auntpoo]

2) The early church did it every day. Acts 2v46.

I actually believe the breaking bread in their homes is taking a meal together. "Breaking of bread" is an ancient Jewish expression that signifies the beginning of a meal. There were also other times in the Bible where bread was broken but it wasn't for the purpose of communion. When Jesus fed the 5,000 and again when he fed the 4,000 the loaves were broken then distributed.

 

[FlyingDove]

Communion

The Bread

1 Cor 11:24 And when Jesus had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

(NOTE: The bread that the Lord took & broke was unleavened. A symbolic representation of the Lords Sinless body, BROKEN, for the spiritual & physical restitution of every believer who partakes.

Matt 8 accentuate's why His Body was Broken

Matthew 8:
16 When evening came, many who were demon-possessed were brought to him, and he drove out the spirits with a word & ""healed ALL the sick""

17 This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: "He took up our infirmities" "& bore our diseases"

Isa 53 4-6, 1 Pet 2:24 & Matt 6:49-59 All accentuate Christs Body was Broken for our spiritual & physical health.

More on the Bread: John 6:

48 I am that bread of life

49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world

53 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man & drink his blood, ""ye have no life in you""

My view on how often

1 Cor 10:18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices (The Priests) partakers of the altar? (Lev 7:6 & 7:15)

Lev 24:5 In the Temple the showbread was baked & eaten (By the Priests) weekly. (Lev 24:8-9).

Acts: 20:7 Upon the 1st day of the week, when the disciples came together to "break bread"

Ps 105:37 They ate the LAMB & the next day: Although many were old "NOT ONE WAS FEEBLE AMOUNG THEM"

The Wine

1 Cor 11:25 After the same manner also Jesus took the cup, when Jesus had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

(NOTE: The Wine: a symbolic representation of the sacrificial New Covenant, cut by & in the Lords Blood. For the forgivness & removal of every Sin every believer ever commits.

Remember - Remberance

In the Lord's Supper we "Remember" the past. The covenant that brings us the forgiveness of sins was ratified, or "cut," by the shedding of Jesus blood & His broken body. When we look forward to the future: "we show the Lord's death until he comes"

1 Cor 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come

Generally when we go to REMEMBER the death of a fallen soldier, a family member or loved one. It is a time when we feel grief & loss.

Remember: Jesus has RISEN! Our Rememberance in the Lords Supper. Is a time for CELEBRATION! We are envoking the NEW COVENANT.

Remembrance itself is a covenantal word. In the Lord's Supper we "Remember" that our blessings were purchased through a costly price

1 Cor 11:29 He that eats & drinks "unworthily"" eats & drinks damnation to himself "not discerning" the Lord's body

Vine's Dictionary Definition: DISCERNING: (Strong's #1252 - Verb - diakrino - dee-ak-ree'-no)

1 Cor. 11:29, with reference to partaking of the bread and the cup of the Lord's Supper unworthily, "by not "discerning" or discriminating/understanding what they represent")

Verse 30 For this cause many are weak & sickly among you, & many sleep.

Some were sick, some had died. Why? Because they were unworthy sinners, that partook? I believe NO!

They were sickly & some had passed on. Because, they didn't DISCERN the health blessing that comes when one righty divides the Word. Understanding what partaking represents.

Question: Are you a believer? Are you sickly or feeling ill? Have you been partaking in Communion REGULARLY?

Question 2: If you had were hungry & close starvation, would 1 meal completly restore your health?

The longer its been since you last partook in the Lords Supper or the sicker you are right now. The more often you should enter into Communion with the Lord!

These sacraments themselves do not save us. The Lord's Supper, Physically & Spiritually nourish & sustain, those already born again.

Salvation comes when we acknowledge our sins & place our Faith in the redemptive sin atoning sacrifice. Found in the death (sins wage paid), burial & resurrection (God's receipt, payment received) of God's Son, Jesus the Christ

P.S. Rereading John 6:53 Then """Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, """""ye have NO LIFE in you"""""

Without spiritual life you. You will never be able to reproduce (soul winning)

This post is my opinion only. Maranatha FD

 

[garee]

Greetings 20,

Jesus also said that he was the sheep gate, the bread of life and the water of life, which were/are all figures of speech.

Roman Catholicism took the figurative meaning of eating the Lord's flesh and drinking his blood, literally, which is why they believe in Transubstantiation. This is when the priest calls Christ down out of heaven where he enters into the Eucharist, where a change takes place where it becomes the literal flesh and blood of the Lord, which isn't true.

When Jesus instituted the breaking of bread it was figurative of his body, where the cup containing the wine represents his blood that was shed for many. That this is meant to be figurative can be seen by the fact that the Lord broke literal bread and said this is my body. Likewise, he took the cup of wine and said, this is my blood

Therefore, the scriptures which say "unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood" is figurative of consuming Christ into your life. Even the word of God is spoken of figuratively as food.

You also have to remember that under the law it was forbidden to eat blood. Animals that were considered clean had to be drained of all of their blood before eating. Therefore, it would not be plausible to think that Jesus was saying to literally eat his flesh and drink his blood. For those who were under the law, this saying would have been repulsive, but they misunderstood what he was saying in his parables.

Hope this helps

Amen without parables used to hide the spiritual understanding from the lost Christ spoke not. The spiritual understanding must be compared to the spiritual unseen .God is Spirit and not a man as us.

If we compare the spiritual understanding not seen (the faith principle) to the spiritual in other parables then we find the gospel hid called the hidden manna in Revelation.

We do know drinking literal blood is abomination. It must be poured out at the feet of the altar or the cross in Christ’s sake.

This is to show Spirit life was given. The flesh and blood without the spirit essence of life return to the lifeless spiritless dust it was taken from .Christ said of his own flesh, it profits for nothing.

The metaphor to drink the blood of men is not in respect to dead things seen, but the unseen spirit life that worked to make it possible . To drink the blood simply means to give ones spirit life in jeopardy of their own spirit . A dead body simply shows the unseen spirit which was given departed. The Spirit of God cannot die.

The Parable in 1 Chronicles 11 is loaded with metaphors .I count at least 5 different ones that are used throughout the scriptures to announce the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory that did follow (the first resurrection) the graves were open and many old testament saints entered in our heavenly city witness by many angels.

And David was then in the hold, and the Philistines' garrison was then at Bethlehem.And David longed, and said, Oh that one would give me drink of the water of the well of Bethlehem, that is at the gate!And the three brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: but David would not drink of it, but poured it out to the LORD.And said, My God forbid it me, that I should do this thing: shall I drink the blood of these men that have put their lives in jeopardy? for with the jeopardy of their lives they brought it. Therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mightiest. 1Ch 11:16

There he relates ....put their lives in jeopardy..the same as drinking blood.

I would offer ....

water represents a work of the Holy Spirit the gospel coming down like rain .

Blood the spirit essence of life

Wells are used to represent the meeting place of the gospel

Bethlehem the city of bread representing flesh ..

Gates like doors represent Christ by whom we enter into fellowship.

 

[OtherWay210]

I over reacted a bit . Nothing personal Im taking issue with the doctrine that comes about simply because no ones familiar with what the bible says. I see Christians fighting with each other throughout the forum, simply because scripture is quoted.
You cant even get a so called believer to read scriptures without being offended. Its sad. Someone told me using scripture was too " harsh : ( just believe and be saved ) . everyone at one time or another, expressed in one form or another, will grab a verse to justify such an excuse to ignore God and Christs teachings.

In an attempt to weed out false teachings, they support all the more false teachings, and encourage each other to do so. Because everyone is systematically falling to the default of less and less scriptures, and more and more one liners from the bible out of the whole narrative of Gods plans, with disregard for the consequence and warnings Christ taught of.

Rapture is a clear example. Its very popular, yet if you ask anyone to document what they say, you'll in time notice all the terms in the bible need to be redefined to make it work. When you see what the bible actually means by the scriptures people redefine, you'll see it says totally different. Thats true"replacement theology" ( whatever that means ). replacing all scripture, with half truths, and whatnots .

The same with just be saved attitudes, thats all Churches teach people, its a sort of complacent attitude towards Gods words. Totally opposite of what Christ said " we live by every word of God from His mouth ".

Tribulation ? No brother or sister, just believe and be saved, no need to waste time with Gods words. way too harsh for me

 

[garee]

More on the Bread: John 6:

48 I am that bread of life

49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world

53 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man & drink his blood, ""ye have no life in you""

My view on how often

1 Cor 10:18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices (The Priests) partakers of the altar? (Lev 7:6 & 7:15)

Lev 24:5 In the Temple the showbread was baked & eaten (By the Priests) weekly. (Lev 24:8-9).

Acts: 20:7 Upon the 1st day of the week, when the disciples came together to "break bread"

Ps 105:37 They ate the LAMB & the next day: Although many were old "NOT ONE WAS FEEBLE AMOUNG THEM"

Amen in Exodus bread is considered the meat of the word as to the letter seen and not the spirit of the word as the law of faith it is represented by the flesh of the quails, while manna which defined means “what is it”, as something we are not accused is called hidden manna in Revelation it gives us the unseen spiritual understanding found in parables.

The manna which was not at first seen was dew a word that represents the gospel of God appeared when the dew disappeared then Moses said unto them, This, referring to that which was previously hidden is the bread which the LORD hath given you to eat. The bread of faith, the unseen spiritual and not that seen as our necessary food for these bodies we live in.

This bread or food in which we are not familiar with gives us a understanding that does not come from our own hearts and minds but one that comes by hearing what God says to us as he reveals the thoughts of His mind.(He is of one mind just as we are.) It is the kind of bread that comes by doing the will the of father as the kind of food the disciples knew not of.

There is a great explanation of this what I will call wonder bread, hidden manna (what is it) is the book of Job.

Two kinds of bread or food

Behold, I go forward, but he is not there; and backward, but I cannot perceive him:On the left hand, where he doth work, but I cannot behold him: he hideth himself on the right hand, that I cannot see him:But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold.My foot hath held his steps, his way have I kept, and not declined.Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food. But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.Therefore am I troubled at his presence: when I consider, I am afraid of him.For God maketh my heart soft, and the Almighty troubleth me:Because I was not cut off before the darkness, neither hath he covered the darkness from my face. Job 23:8

words of his mouth (spiritual food )

my necessary food.(literal food)

For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me:...could be said as recorded in Philippians as a imputed righteousness

Phi 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel: speak unto them, saying, At even ye shall eat flesh, and in the morning ye shall be filled with bread; and ye shall know that I am the LORD your God.And it came to pass, that at even the quails came up, and covered the camp: and in the morning the dew lay round about the host.And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground.And when the children of Israel saw it, they said one to another, It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the LORD hath given you to eat. Exo 16:12

The manna tasted like honey a word describing the sweetness of God’s love and its color like a pearl the hidden pearl , hidden wisdom of great price the gospel ., the color of the twelve gates that make of the bride of Christ in Revelation 21

 

[MatthewG]

(Communion) with other people / Not just necessarily all christian/ or at a church (if you do not go). You are allowed to fellowship freely.

koinónia: fellowship​

Original Word: κοινωνία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: koinónia
Phonetic Spelling: (koy-nohn-ee'-ah)
Short Definition: participation, communion, fellowship
Definition: (lit: partnership) (a) contributory help, participation, (b) sharing in, communion, (c) spiritual fellowship, a fellowship in the spirit.



I dont believe in the drinking of cups for remembrance of the Lord Jesus Christ, because I already can remember what Jesus Christ has done for everyone in the world.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

He said "Do this in memory of me" The Passover. Because the whole Passover celebration illustrates Jesus. In detail. It's a good study and it reveals things about Jesus as both The Lion and the Lamb. I've tried to bring this up a few times with the prophecy experts here. The subject has registered not an iota of interest among them. It's a shame they already know everything and don't want to listen.