What can G-d forgive and what can a human forgive?
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I have found that when I am angry with someone or when I forgive someone nothing changes for that person but it is instead me who is held captive by my anger or set free when I forgive. God doesn't tell us to forgive to gain some kind of Heavenly bonus points but rather He knows whats best for us. He wants us free from resentment and bitterness because we are then free to have love and joy and peace in our lives.
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Luke 23:34Then Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up His garments by casting lots.
Deuteronomy 4:31
31"For the LORD your God is a compassionate God; He will not fail you nor destroy you nor forget the covenant with your fathers which He swore to them.
.1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love ( Galatians 5:22-23 ) one another, because love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love (grumbling/harming towards others/angry/gossping/taking joy in misfortune of others) does not know God (Doesn't know God or accepted the Truth in Christ Jesus because of unbelief), because God is love.
1 John 1: 5 And this is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you: God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we say we have fellowship with Him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 if we may confess our sins (come to belief/Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and Accept Him as our Lord and Savior), stedfast He is and righteous that He may forgive us the sins, and may cleanse us from every unrighteousness 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word is not in us.
What does God help in our life with when we come to know the Lord Jesus Christ and have the holy spirit with us?
Deuteronomy 4:31
31"For the LORD your God is a compassionate God; He will not fail you nor destroy you nor forget the covenant with your fathers which He swore to them.
.1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love ( Galatians 5:22-23 ) one another, because love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love (grumbling/harming towards others/angry/gossping/taking joy in misfortune of others) does not know God (Doesn't know God or accepted the Truth in Christ Jesus because of unbelief), because God is love.
1 John 1: 5 And this is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you: God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we say we have fellowship with Him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 if we may confess our sins (come to belief/Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and Accept Him as our Lord and Savior), stedfast He is and righteous that He may forgive us the sins, and may cleanse us from every unrighteousness 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word is not in us.
What does God help in our life with when we come to know the Lord Jesus Christ and have the holy spirit with us?
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Whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone,
so that your Father who is in heaven will also forgive you your transgressions.
(Mark 11:25)
Do to others what you would have them do to you,
for this sums up the Law and the Prophets
(Matthew 7:12)
so that your Father who is in heaven will also forgive you your transgressions.
(Mark 11:25)
Do to others what you would have them do to you,
for this sums up the Law and the Prophets
(Matthew 7:12)
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.
(Matthew 22:37-40)
A new command I give you: Love one another.
As I have loved you, so you must love one another.
(John 13:34)
Love does no wrong to a neighbor;
therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law.
(Romans 13:10)
Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
Do not judge, and you will not be judged.
Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned.
Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
Give, and it will be given to you: a good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap.
For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
(Luke 6:36-38)
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.
(Matthew 22:37-40)
A new command I give you: Love one another.
As I have loved you, so you must love one another.
(John 13:34)
Love does no wrong to a neighbor;
therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law.
(Romans 13:10)
Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.
Do not judge, and you will not be judged.
Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned.
Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
Give, and it will be given to you: a good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap.
For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
(Luke 6:36-38)
There is no doubt every one of you is right. Let me pose this question on the understanding everyone is forgiven by G-d and man equally. Do you then welcome the childmolester, murder into your life... or worst dievent ever?... Everyday, personal, take home to family life.... If not why if you forgave equal to G-d them? Or why if you forgave them equal to G-d?
Either you forgive or you don’t. And if God forgives it but you won’t, then you yourself will not be forgiven. But what I think is different is that God can forgive and forget, but that we cannot and should not forget. Some people think it’s impossible to forgive what you still remember, but it’s not. I remember Paul killed many Christians, but I forgive him because God does.
A human Should forgive what God is willing to forgive...
Of course we being humans sometimes fail to forgive what we should be forgive and we should acknowledge that failure to God in our prayers and ask for His help to be as forgiving as He is..
So the important thing for me is to believe that i should forgive to the extent that the Perfect God of all existence forgives and that i should acknowledge my failings before Him and thank Him for His Atonement that secures my forgiveness of my failure to forgive....
Of course we being humans sometimes fail to forgive what we should be forgive and we should acknowledge that failure to God in our prayers and ask for His help to be as forgiving as He is..
So the important thing for me is to believe that i should forgive to the extent that the Perfect God of all existence forgives and that i should acknowledge my failings before Him and thank Him for His Atonement that secures my forgiveness of my failure to forgive....
I often find people coming up with this extra thing that is not commanded in the scriptures.. Forgiving someone for their wrongdoing does not then mean one has to open themselves up to a second wrongdoing.. A person can regret their wrongdoing and genuinly ask for forgivness and we should forgive them.. But if we know that person has a personality disorder that will probably cause them to do that wrongdoing again then we should avoid that person in the future as a personal precaution for ourselves and our those that are under our authority ( children ) ..
I do not understand these two questions?
I do not understand these two questions?
To me forgiving someone their wrong is wiping the slate clean in regard to that particular wrong... It is not me then believing the one forgiven is a perfect sinless being who will never commit that wrong again..
In the case of God who wipes the slate clean, He will transform that sinner into a perfect sinless being to dwell with in Eternity..
I cannot transform any sinner into a perfect sinless being in this world.
But we live in this world and if someone asks for my forgiveness for stealing my belongings to finance their drug habit i will forgive them for that wrong.. But at the same time i know they are still a drug addict and they probably will in the future attempt to seal from me again because the strength of the addiction will eventually drive them to the point of desperation to steal again.. So i take precautions in this world by making sure that person does not have access to my house and belongings..
In the case of God who wipes the slate clean, He will transform that sinner into a perfect sinless being to dwell with in Eternity..
I cannot transform any sinner into a perfect sinless being in this world.
But we live in this world and if someone asks for my forgiveness for stealing my belongings to finance their drug habit i will forgive them for that wrong.. But at the same time i know they are still a drug addict and they probably will in the future attempt to seal from me again because the strength of the addiction will eventually drive them to the point of desperation to steal again.. So i take precautions in this world by making sure that person does not have access to my house and belongings..