What does this mean: "I have said, Ye are gods..."

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Ezekiel8

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Ye are god’s to whom the word of GOD has come
Lol I think you mean gods not god's.

Though indeed if he calls us gods, to whom the word of God has come, and the scripture cannot be broken, then how can one say it is a blasphemy to he who says he is the son of the Most High?
 

miknik5

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Lol I think you mean gods not god's.

Though indeed if he calls us gods, to whom the word of God has come, and the scripture cannot be broken, then how can one say it is a blasphemy to he who says he is the son of the Most High?
My auto correct doesn’t behave. I always have issues
 

miknik5

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It isn’t blasphemy because HE IS THE SON of GOD who came forth from the FATHER and into the world

they just didn’t believe
 

Ezekiel8

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It isn’t blasphemy because HE IS THE SON of GOD who came forth from the FATHER and into the world

they just didn’t believe
Well true, so then it is not blasphemy to say that we are gods, sons of the Most High because that is what one to whom the word of God came, the Psalmist, says and this is confirmed by the Lord Jesus Christ himself.
 

miknik5

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Well true, so then it is not blasphemy to say that we are gods, sons of the Most High because that is what one to whom the word of God came, the Psalmist, says and this is confirmed by the Lord Jesus Christ himself.
Nope. We’re not gods We’re witnesses and fellow servants who hold to the testimony of JESUS
 

miknik5

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We’re also students and servants who are not greater than the TEACHER and MASTER

further, HE is LORD


We’re not
 

Ezekiel8

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Nope. We’re not gods We’re witnesses and fellow servants who hold to the testimony of JESUS
Lol how can you say to me you hold to the testimony of Jesus and at the same time not believe Jesus when Jesus himself testifies that the scripture cannot be broken and that it is written by the one to whom the word of God came that ye are gods, sons of the Most High?
 

miknik5

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Well true, so then it is not blasphemy to say that we are gods, sons of the Most High because that is what one to whom the word of God came, the Psalmist, says and this is confirmed by the Lord Jesus Christ himself.
Ye are gods to whom the WORD of GOD has come
not because we are gods but (because of CHRIST who gives life to HIS SHEEP), we have eternal life
 

miknik5

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Jesus also said that John was “the Elijah who was to come”

but John denied it


John knew who he really was in relation to who CHRIST really is
 

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Well true, so then it is not blasphemy to say that we are gods, sons of the Most High because that is what one to whom the word of God came, the Psalmist, says and this is confirmed by the Lord Jesus Christ himself.
You have a MAJOR MISUNDERSTANDING of both passages of Scripture. Nowhere did Jesus say that Christians are "gods". That is the lie which the Devil put forward at the beginning -- "ye shall be as gods" and the end result was the exact opposite.

The Word of God came to all of Israel, so by your logic, all Israel would have been gods. But that is not the meaning of that phrase at all. Notice to whom God was speaking in this Psalm:

God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

So the judges (magistrates) of Israel are called "the mighty" and "the gods", but at the same time they are soundly rebuked for their injustice, their oppression, and their wickedness.

The judges of Israel stood in the place of God to dispense justice. That is why they were called "gods" (the mighty ones) and this is evident in "the congregation of the mighty".
 
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Ezekiel8

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Ye are gods to whom the WORD of GOD has come
not because we are gods but (because of CHRIST who gives life to HIS SHEEP), we have eternal life
Well no, the scriptures written by the one to whom the word of God came is the Psalmist and he pretty clearly states, "ye are gods, sons of the Most High". Jesus whom is the living Word of God also confirms this pretty much word for word. Anything elsewise is pretty much either breaking the scripture or saying that either the Psalmist to whom the word of God came or Jesus lied, and I just don't believe that they lied, I believe Jesus is the fountain of truth.
 

miknik5

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You have a MAJOR MISUNDERSTANDING of both passages of Scripture. Nowhere did Jesus say that Christians are "gods". That is the lie which the Devil put forward at the beginning -- "ye shall be as gods" and the end result was the exact opposite.

The Word of God came to all of Israel, so by your logic, all Israel would have been gods. But that is not the meaning of that phrase at all. Notice to whom God was speaking in this Psalm:

God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

So the judges (magistrates) of Israel are called "the mighty" and "the gods", but at the same time they are soundly rebuked for their injustice, their oppression, and their wickedness.

The judges of Israel stood in the place of God to dispense justice. That is why they were called "gods" (the mighty ones) and this is evident in "the congregation of the mighty".
Why will they die like men?

because they judge unjustly?
or because they also and more importantly do not believe?


keep in mind not only the full of John 10 but what Jesus says to the teachers of the law in John 9
 

Ezekiel8

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You have a MAJOR MISUNDERSTANDING of both passages of Scripture. Nowhere did Jesus say that Christians are "gods". That is the lie which the Devil put forward at the beginning -- "ye shall be as gods" and the end result was the exact opposite.

The Word of God came to all of Israel, so by your logic, all Israel would have been gods. But that is not the meaning of that phrase at all. Notice to whom God was speaking in this Psalm:

God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

So the judges (magistrates) of Israel are called "the mighty" and "the gods", but at the same time they are soundly rebuked for their injustice, their oppression, and their wickedness.

The judges of Israel stood in the place of God to dispense justice. That is why they were called "gods" (the mighty ones) and this is evident in "the congregation of the mighty".
I have not a misunderstanding. Jesus says ye are gods sons of the Most High echoing the Psalmist to whom the word of God came saying the same. The verses are even posted on here for any to go check for themselves.

As for the old serpent. Well it's just simple, man was made in the image of God, yes? God gave all manners of blessings to man and gave him the dominion over the earth yes? The serpent whom is called Satan is the most subtil beast of the field which God created and was a liar even from the beginning it is written, yes? So the serpent essentially deceived the woman with a lie basically saying that they would become gods if she were to disobey God whom told the truth commanding not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil for if they ate of it they would die. Yet they were all ready as gods by default, therefore the serpent did lie, and for disobedience and unbelief comes death.

As for your strange doctrine which is made by man and not by God, no, that is not what those verses says, the Bible does not say "Ye are judges sons of the Most High". The Psalmist to whom the word of God came as confirmed by Jesus says, "ye are gods, sons of the Most High."

We will basically only run into circles with this so I will leave it at that. I believe the scripture cannot be broken and I believe in what the Lord Jesus Christ said and I do not believe Jesus to be a liar like certain men and their doctrines would by subtlety make him to be. I will not be convinced to disbelieve in what Jesus nor the Psalmist to whom the word of God came say, and truly it is written twice that they say "ye are gods, sons of the Most High." The sons of God shall inherit the Kingdom of God, and those that are not his sons shall be cast into outer darkness and fire and there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth, praise the Lord God Almighty.
 

miknik5

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Lol how can you say to me you hold to the testimony of Jesus and at the same time not believe Jesus when Jesus himself testifies that the scripture cannot be broken and that it is written by the one to whom the word of God came that ye are gods, sons of the Most High?
Sorry. But I’m content being called HIS SERVANT and a fellow servant even with the angels and all those who hold to THE TESTIMONY of JESUS
 

miknik5

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They will die not only like men, but like wicked men because they have judged unjustly.
Will every manner of sin be forgiven except for one?

why will the wicked men of Nineveh stand in the judgement and condemn?

And why did Jesus say if you do not believe I am HE ye shall die in your sins?
And as well, if you do not repent you shall likewise perish.

Yet the men of Nineveh who listened to the words of Jonah will condemn this generation because ONE greater than Jonah has come.

And yet yet they continue in disbelief?
 
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7seasrekeyed

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I'm not sure but that you have made it worse Nehmiah

guess I can't blame you for trying though

got questions is ok...but I really think the vid I posted in the other thread does a much better job...granted it is at least 13 or so minutes long and I understand that people's attention spans keep getting shorter (not a referral to yours) but still
 
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7seasrekeyed

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But we are not gods in the sense apart from
HIM we have life

because we don’t

apart from HIM there is no life in us
I think I understand what you are saying but it was not what Jesus said

just no
 
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7seasrekeyed

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It has EVERYTHING to do with John 10 in full context

no one will enter in by way of THE DOOR if (as the Jewish Pharisees snd teachers showed by their unbelief) one doesn’t believe that THE ONE WHO IS THE SON OF GOD AND SHEPHERD OVER THE FLOCK CAN PROMISE ETERNAL LIFE

and thats what led to the discussion of those to whom the word of GOD has come

what discussion?

where is that discussion please?